Donald Trump: I’ll Make Mexico Pay For The Wall By Blocking Money Sent Home

[MJHolland 12,725]

1 hour ago, TiphEret said:

Ok I found a study and articles in English, this what I am talking about 

http://www.itep.org/immigration/

"An updated 50-state study, Undocumented Immigrants’ State and Local Tax Contributions, by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy finds that undocumented immigrants’ tax contributions would increase significantly under the Obama Administration’s executive actions and even more substantially under comprehensive immigration reform granting  all undocumented immigrants lawful permanent residence.

The 11 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the United States collectively paid $11.64 billion in state and local taxes.  ITEP’s analysis finds their combined nationwide state and local tax contributions would increase by $805 million under full implementation of the administration’s 2012 and 2014 executive actions and by $2.1 billion under comprehensive immigration reform.

“Regardless of the politically contentious nature of immigration reform, the data show undocumented immigrants greatly contribute to our nation's economy, not just in labor but also with tax dollars,” said Meg Wiehe, ITEP's State Tax Policy Director."

So from what I understand they do pay state taxes, but I am not familiar with the American tax system. I knew though that you can ask to pay taxes even if you have not enter the US legally and I found it odd. I am pretty sure it is not the only country doing this though. I don't get why they would not try to regularize immigrants first or deport them, if they are such a burden but then make sure they can pay taxes. It's quite hypocritical when you hear the speech some have about them. 

An article too , talking about the study: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/04/16/Study-Finds-Illegal-Immigrants-Pay-118B-Taxes

They pay 11.64 billion dollar in taxes right now almost exclusively though sales tax (through your own source). The budget of the federal government is 4 trillion dollars. That in a little over one quarter of one percept of the federal budget (0.275%).

In contrast, it's estimated that there are anywhere from 11-20 illegal immigrants in this country. That means that given the US population is 319 million people, they make up anywhere from 4-6% of the population. So no, they do not pay taxes.

Your article is projected the tax revenue if they were to be legalized and pay taxes in the future, btw. 

Again, undocumented immigrants do not pay any substantial tax on the money they earn.

[GloZell Green 11,723]

2 hours ago, Goosey said:

It doesn't matter what they bring. They're illegal. Bringing themselves is bad enough and they need to leave. Maybe they should bring a green card.

So who is it harming? You? Lmao please. Maybe the country should make it easier to do so and respond to citizenship applications, you know? Stop being ignorant and acting like it's easy to get it. 

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I mean SOMETHING definitely needs to be done about the drug trafficking, human smuggling, etc.so I give Trump credit for that. But it's not just an issue affecting the US, it's interconnected all across the globe: 

 

But I find it HIGHLY hypocritical for Mexican government officials/ former Presidents/ etc. to criticize our border and our immigration laws considering how harsh THEIRS are compared to ours with regards to illegal immigration, and considering the fact that the Mexican government looked away as many children and unaccompanied minors from Guatemala and other Central American countries were being trafficked all across their country. I'm pretty confident that a good number of those officials profited from that.  

[TiphEret 1,320]

1 hour ago, MJHolland said:

They pay 11.64 billion dollar in taxes right now almost exclusively though sales tax (through your own source). The budget of the federal government is 4 trillion dollars. That in a little over one quarter of one percept of the federal budget (0.275%).

In contrast, it's estimated that there are anywhere from 11-20 illegal immigrants in this country. That means that given the US population is 319 million people, they make up anywhere from 4-6% of the population. So no, they do not pay taxes.

Your article is projected the tax revenue if they were to be legalized and pay taxes in the future, btw. 

Again, undocumented immigrants do not pay any substantial tax on the money they earn.

You keep failing to see my point. WHY would a government make laws to allow illegals to pay taxes but don't actually do any action toward their illegal status. But anyways, I don't care honestly and I think you meant million and not only 11-20 illegal immigrants. 

[Goosey 3,017]

57 minutes ago, GloZell Green said:

So who is it harming? You? Lmao please. Maybe the country should make it easier to do so and respond to citizenship applications, you know? Stop being ignorant and acting like it's easy to get it. 

Why should they let in just anyone?

Canada, for example, just above America, only lets in people who will contribute to society (and legitimate refugees). People who are there illegally get deported all the time.

"What you need in order to greatly increase your chances [of eligibility for immigration] is a permanent job offer in a position the the Canadian government has decided is sufficiently in demand that your hiring will not take that opportunity away from a qualified Canadian."

But of course it's just America that's evil because a bunch of foreigners decide to flout their laws and sneak into the country illegally.

[MJHolland 12,725]

51 minutes ago, TiphEret said:

You keep failing to see my point. WHY would a government make laws to allow illegals to pay taxes but don't actually do any action toward their illegal status. But anyways, I don't care honestly and I think you meant million and not only 11-20 illegal immigrants. 

There are no laws trying to get illegal immigrants to pay taxes... They do not pay taxes... They do not pay taxes....

The only tax they would pay is sales tax which is extremely small and the majority of the sales tax is paid by the person selling the good/service...

undocumented immiramts cannot pay taxes. 

[Whispering 18,865]

1 hour ago, TiphEret said:

...I think you meant million and not only 11-20 illegal immigrants. 

Just for reference sake: The Department of Homeland Security estimated that 11.4 million illegal immigrants were living in the United States in 2012 (DHS, March 2013). Pew Research Center estimated that the illegal immigrant population in 2014 was 11.3 million (Pew, July 2015). 

[Whispering 18,865]

28 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

There are no laws trying to get illegal immigrants to pay taxes... They do not pay taxes... They do not pay taxes....

The only tax they would pay is sales tax which is extremely small and the majority of the sales tax is paid by the person selling the good/service...

undocumented immiramts cannot pay taxes. 

Yes, they do. They pay property taxes, income tax and into the Social Security System. 

The study from the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy found that immigrants in the U.S. without legal permission kick in their billions in the form of income, property, sales or excise taxes. 

The institute's report estimates about a third of such immigrants nationally are homeowners, subjecting them to property tax payments. Another 50 percent are believed to pay income taxes. And as much as 75 percent of the population is believed to pay into the U.S. Social Security system (a system of benefits they wouldn't be eligible to receive anyway unless they became U.S. citizens).

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On 4/5/2016 at 9:05 PM, ZarinStar said:

This is why I don't understand how businessmen can run for president. They got no political experience, so the stuff they say appeals to the people who likes someone that "says what they think" even though none of them understand the powers the president has, especially Trump here.

I mean, how can they really believe that this wall thing is possible? Politicians don't say what they think because they can't act upon it. Mess 

Anyone can run for president.

[JustinTrudeau 2,419]

3 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Anyone can run for president.

Yes, anyone can. But not everyone is well qualified. Especially those with no political experience. It's like any other job. 

[MJHolland 12,725]

23 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Yes, they do. They pay property taxes, income tax and into the Social Security System. 

The study from the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy found that immigrants in the U.S. without legal permission kick in their billions in the form of income, property, sales or excise taxes. 

The institute's report estimates about a third of such immigrants nationally are homeowners, subjecting them to property tax payments. Another 50 percent are believed to pay income taxes. And as much as 75 percent of the population is believed to pay into the U.S. Social Security system (a system of benefits they wouldn't be eligible to receive anyway unless they became U.S. citizens).

As I broke it down for you guys in this thread, illegal immigrants pay one quarter of one percent of the overall budget, while making up 5% of the population.

And sweetie, we all know the numbers put out by analysis are very conservative.

You need a social security number to pay taxes. They don't have SSNs, therefore how could they possibly pay income tax? And with the wages they are paid, they would surely get a 100% tax refund. Even if they were to make minimum wage, they wouldn't pay federal income tax.

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4 minutes ago, ZarinStar said:

Yes, anyone can. But not everyone is qualified. Especially those with no political experience. It's like any other job.

Anyone can be qualified to be a president.. its the only job in the world that you can do whatever you want no matter what the consequences are and people will still be happy no matter what.

[JustinTrudeau 2,419]

1 minute ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Anyone can be qualified to be a president.. its the only job in the world that you can do whatever you want no matter what the consequences are and people will still be happy no matter what.

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On 4/5/2016 at 2:10 PM, MJHolland said:

Good. Then cut off our trade with them in which they receive billions of dollars in surplus until they actually take sovereign borders as defined by the UN seriously. I mean this is a country that instead of enforcing the rule of law is turning a blind eye while poor immigrants illegally cross the boarder in order to find prosperity.

Not to mention that hundreds of thousands of Mexicans are raped and taken advantage of themselves trying to make the journey across the border with these Coyote thugs.

Mexico is already doing it's citizens a great disservice and it's time they started protecting their own damn citizens. Illegal immigration is dangerous for their own people!

 

[Whispering 18,865]

2 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

As I broke it down for you guys in this thread, illegal immigrants pay one quarter of one percent of the overall budget, while making up 5% of the population.

And sweetie, we all know the numbers put out by analysis are very conservative.

You need a social security number to pay taxes. They don't have SSNs, therefore how could they possibly pay income tax? And with the wages they are paid, they would surely get a 100% tax refund. Even if they were to make minimum wage, they wouldn't pay federal income tax.

I'm not your sweetie.

They pay income tax, they pay property taxes and they  pay into the social security system- 

Payments from illegal immigrants are helping keep Social Security alive. Unauthorized immigrants have paid $100 billion into the fund over the past decade with no intention of ever collecting benefits, CNN reported, adding: “Without immigrants, the Social Security Board of Trustees projects that the system will no longer be able to pay the full promised benefits by 2037.”
 

You need to do some research.