DrewStevens 5,249 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, jojuun said: Excuse you, this girl came out with this story herself and never said she was a victim...https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/i-lost-my-virginity-to-david-bowie She was a PROFESSIONAL GROUPIE. Sure it's not right if she really was 15 when she slept with Bowie, but do you check passports before you hook-up? Do you think people on Tinder and Grindr are asking to see each other's ID before they hit the sack? Her dream was to have sex with Bowie and mind you it was the seventies, a sexually promiscuous time where a lot of people really did sleep around all the time. This was a time before HIV. She dressed like a mature woman and was by herself at rockshows and nightclubs, it's clear everyone assumed she was 18. Who let's a 15 year old out by themselves night after night in drug infused clubs and rockshows? She also WANTED it, so even if she was underage, she at least gave consent because she wanted to sleep with him herself, desperately. This was a whole other time with a whole other mindset AND the girl gave her consent, plus it's safe to assume no one knew she was that young. Or do you think David Bowie, a famous rockstar, high on cocaine and God knows what else, asked a groupie "Are you over 18, my darling?". "Rapist" What's next? "Racist"? Oh God this is beyond disgusting. "She wanted it"... Is that your only argument against statutory rape? It wasn't as hard for minors to get into a club back then. She didn't look 18 at all, she looked like a child with makeup. She was 13 when they met. High, drunk, stupid... It doesn't really matter when you have sex with a minor who looks like a minor. Laws about sex with 13 year old girl were the same so the mindset is no excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelseaaaaaa 1,453 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 2 hours ago, LePetitMonstr said: TBH, at this point, not one cares. Bowie will be forgotten in the next couple of years anyways. There, I said it. In fact, if it wasn't for Gaga, I would of not had ANY clue of who this man is. Yikes. You really need to listen to more than the top 40 charts and widen your horizons. You're missing out on a lot of good artists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlondeQueenOfGGD 25,454 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 2 hours ago, LePetitMonstr said: TBH, at this point, not one cares. Bowie will be forgotten in the next couple of years anyways. There, I said it. In fact, if it wasn't for Gaga, I would of not had ANY clue of who this man is. Ignore the bullying, you're right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 50 minutes ago, jojuun said: LMAO "I'm a huge Bowie fan." "He's already forgotten." "Nobody can even name a song of his." ALL IN THE SAME SENTENCE. Some of you must seriously be 12 or just have the intellect of a peanut. NOW I'm being condescending. Putting down Bowie's legacy and fame now he's dead... Would you say the same when Gaga's dead? Cause there will be a generation of teenagers who won't see her as a relevant artist in the future, just know that. David Bowie is NOT forgotten, the tribute happened 24 hours ago, WTF? Some people will never know about Bowie, true. But people who love music, people who will look back at pop culture even hundreds of years from now, WILL know Bowie. And Michael, Madonna, Prince, Boy George and Freddie Mercury. Because they're historic figures who have changed music and made impact. If you can't see that, you just educate yourself. Especially as a Gaga fan, it's everything Gaga thrived upon to become an artist herself FYI. Sometimes I can't believe this website and some of it's users. You seriously need to stop with all your long tantrums on this site! and im glad you know that your acting in a condescending way. Also, im 26 years old and ive been a fan of Bowie before Gaga even existed as an artist and ive been on this site since 2008 so no need to question me. Saying that Bowie is forgotten doesnt mean im not a fan because this is not my opinion of him, its my opinion of the general public view on him.. doesnt mean im putting his legacy down. I would say the same thing about Gaga if she was forgotten because if that happen, I would only be stating a fact. Yes you can attempt to disagree with me but you actually agreed with me in the end of your comment! Bowie will always be known to music lovers who search for music but sadly these people are very few unlike Michael Jackson who his songs will always be remembered for sure. So before you try to make me look stupid, maybe you should learn how to not have emotional arguments that make no sense and are invalid or you could go lock yourself in your closet because you have been TRIGGERED by my comment! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojuun 4,159 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 6 minutes ago, DrewStevens said: Oh God this is beyond disgusting. "She wanted it"... Is that your only argument against statutory rape? It wasn't as hard for minors to get into a club back then. She didn't look 18 at all, she looked like a child with makeup. She was 13 when they met. High, drunk, stupid... It doesn't really matter when you have sex with a minor who looks like a minor. Laws about sex with 13 year old girl were the same so the mindset is no excuse. She does not look "13 with make up"... The real deciding factor here is that SHE gave consent. If this was a trial and she was suing him, I'd agree with her and say "he should've known better". But the fact is that SHE is coming out with this story and said "I wanted to". Consent is the deciding factor in rape, 100%. I was 15 when I slept with my 22 year old boyfriend. Was he guilty of statutory rape? Even when I knew damn well what I was doing and wanted him just as much as he wanted me? The intro to that article talking about "modern day cases" is misleading. Kylie gave consent and was a mature 17 year old, hence why Tyga isn't being sued for rape. Yeah, she was 17 at the time, it's not the wisest move ever but she gave CONSENT. R. Kelly's victims did not, they were RAPED. They did not give consent at ALL. Kesha didn't give CONSENT AT ALL. This girl DID and says so herself in the article, I'm not Bowie's defence lawyer yelling out "she wanted it!" in court, like a macho redneck pig would. Consent is the key factor, always. In Europe (where I'm at) the age of consent is 16 but there's been many cases where parents sue their 15 year old daughter's boyfriends, who are technically adults, for rape and those cases usually get classified with no action. Some countries even lowered the age of consent to 15, a few even to 14. 15/16 is a "normal age" to start being sexually active. In many European countries it's just open to discuss about, while in the States there's this huge emphasis on being 18. I agree a 40 year old man shouldn't have sex with a 15/16 year old, but when the age gap is smaller and there is consent, I find that morally acceptable. This is why we have judges, so they can make that decision. The fact Bowie has never been accused (via law) also let's you know there was never any question about rape or no rape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenagechrist 2,853 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 It's a shame because Gaga did a wonderful job. Ignoring Gaga's performance and praising the other tributes is very childish and rude, even if they didn't like the performance they should have mentioned her and thank her, because she worked really hard and she did everything because of her true love for Bowie. Too bad she's never going to be taken seriously because she is one of the main pop girls. feeling so hot tamale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojuun 4,159 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 21 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said: You seriously need to stop with all your long tantrums on this site! and im glad you know that your acting in a condescending way. Also, im 26 years old and ive been a fan of Bowie before Gaga even existed as an artist and ive been on this site since 2008 so no need to question me. Saying that Bowie is forgotten doesnt mean im not a fan because this is not my opinion of him, its my opinion of the general public view on him.. doesnt mean im putting his legacy down. I would say the same thing about Gaga if she was forgotten because if that happen, I would only be stating a fact. Yes you can attempt to disagree with me but you actually agreed with me in the end of your comment! Bowie will always be known to music lovers who search for music but sadly these people are very few unlike Michael Jackson who his songs will always be remembered for sure. So before you try to make me look stupid, maybe you should learn how to not have emotional arguments that make no sense and are invalid or you could go lock yourself in your closet because you have been TRIGGERED by my comment! I can write lengthy comments all I want, that's what forums are for. You are constantly contradicting yourself. "It's my opinion of the general public's view of him" and then later on "I'm only stating a fact." Those are two very different things. Your opinion does not equal facts. It equals your opinion. I didn't agree with your post, you just didn't type correctly then. If you meant that the general public might forget about Bowie and that a huge percentage of today's kids and teenagers couldn't name a Bowie song, that's true. But he's not forgotten. A lot of other people DO care and he'll always be remembered by people who have interest in pop culture and music. A large percentage of Middle America also doesn't know who Mozart or Bach is, but that doesn't mean they aren't two of the most famous composers of all time, does it? Validation of the mass public that wasn't confronted with Bowie while he was doing his thing decades ago, doesn't determine the cultural impact it had and will continue to be remembered as. Also, many people can't find Africa, Iceland or Australia on a map either, does that mean they're not there? Bowie's legacy is here forever. It's accessible for anyone, people just have the option of knowing or not knowing and some people just never get exposed to culture because well, they don't care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, jojuun said: She does not look "13 with make up"... The real deciding factor here is that SHE gave consent. If this was a trial and she was suing him, I'd agree with her and say "he should've known better". But the fact is that SHE is coming out with this story and said "I wanted to". Consent is the deciding factor in rape, 100%. I was 15 when I slept with my 22 year old boyfriend. Was he guilty of statutory rape? Even when I knew damn well what I was doing and wanted him just as much as he wanted me? The intro to that article talking about "modern day cases" is misleading. Kylie gave consent and was a mature 17 year old, hence why Tyga isn't being sued for rape. Yeah, she was 17 at the time, it's not the wisest move ever but she gave CONSENT. R. Kelly's victims did not, they were RAPED. They did not give consent at ALL. Kesha didn't give CONSENT AT ALL. This girl DID and says so herself in the article, I'm not Bowie's defence lawyer yelling out "she wanted it!" in court, like a macho redneck pig would. Consent is the key factor, always. In Europe (where I'm at) the age of consent is 16 but there's been many cases where parents sue their 15 year old daughter's boyfriends, who are technically adults, for rape and those cases usually get classified with no action. Some countries even lowered the age of consent to 15, a few even to 14. 15/16 is a "normal age" to start being sexually active. In many European countries it's just open to discuss about, while in the States there's this huge emphasis on being 18. I agree a 40 year old man shouldn't have sex with a 15/16 year old, but when the age gap is smaller and there is consent, I find that morally acceptable. This is why we have judges, so they can make that decision. The fact Bowie has never been accused (via law) also let's you know there was never any question about rape or no rape. Do you even know what statutory rape means? Any sexual relations involving someone below the age of consent is statutory rape because they CANNOT give consent. Your point of view of consent and She didn't look 18, she looked like a child. Just search her name on Google and you can see how young she looked when she was around them. He was 25 and she was 13, he was a grown ass man and she was barely a teenager. Just because she didn't take him to court it doesn't mean it wasn't rape. Consent is a deciding factor in rape. A 13 year old girl can't give consent, simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojuun 4,159 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just now, DrewStevens said: Do you even know what statutory rape means? Any sexual relations involving someone below the age of consent is statutory rape because they CANNOT give consent. Your point of view of consent and She didn't look 18, she looked like a child. Just search her name on Google and you can see how young she looked when she was around them. He was 25 and she was 13, he was a grown ass man and she was barely a teenager. Just because she didn't take him to court it doesn't mean it wasn't rape. Consent is a deciding factor in rape. A 13 year old girl can't give consent, simple as that. She says in the article she was 15 when it happened. And that's what I'm trying to tell you, certain 15 year olds CAN give consent. I was one of them. I gave consent to my 22 year old boyfriend when I was 15. I wanted him. It wasn't rape and I knew exactly what I was doing and was mature enough to make that decision. Period. She stated very clearly in the article she was never pressured into anything and wanted it herself. I know what statutory rape means... The age of consent in America is ridiculous, that's what I'M saying. Because a 19 year old with a 17 year old boy/girlfriend is technically guilty of statutory rape, despite the small age gap. He was 10 years older than her if the timetable she gives is correct, so it's debatable but I still wouldn't call it too creepy. If he was older, I wouldn't be defending this at all. She wanted it, was basically an adult or at least behaved like one, made the conscious decision she wanted to have sex with him and they never discussed her age... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, jojuun said: She says in the article she was 15 when it happened. And that's what I'm trying to tell you, certain 15 year olds CAN give consent. I was one of them. I gave consent to my 22 year old boyfriend when I was 15. I wanted him. It wasn't rape and I knew exactly what I was doing and was mature enough to make that decision. Period. She stated very clearly in the article she was never pressured into anything and wanted it herself. I know what statutory rape means... The age of consent in America is ridiculous, that's what I'M saying. Because a 19 year old with a 17 year old boy/girlfriend is technically guilty of statutory rape, despite the small age gap. He was 10 years older than her if the timetable she gives is correct, so it's debatable but I still wouldn't call it too creepy. If he was older, I wouldn't be defending this at all. She wanted it, was basically an adult or at least behaved like one, made the conscious decision she wanted to have sex with him and they never discussed her age... No. Age of consent is not something you can change or make up. Having sex with a 15 year old girl when you're a grown ass man is illegal, it's statutory rape, you don't decide what legal and what's not, the end, period. Age of consent in the US is different depending of the state and when the age gap is small the law protects the adult by the Romeo and Juliet law. They all knew those girls were minors, they were a popular group of underage groupies. She didn't look older than 15, there's no way a man with some common sense would think that she was older than that. In my opinion and according to the law it was statutory rape. I believe having sex with a teenager who idolizes you is wrong and there's nothing you can say to change my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M I M I Z 946 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 That's what you get for doing a tribute to someone who dislike you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 9 hours ago, jojuun said: I can write lengthy comments all I want, that's what forums are for. You are constantly contradicting yourself. "It's my opinion of the general public's view of him" and then later on "I'm only stating a fact." Those are two very different things. Your opinion does not equal facts. It equals your opinion. I didn't agree with your post, you just didn't type correctly then. If you meant that the general public might forget about Bowie and that a huge percentage of today's kids and teenagers couldn't name a Bowie song, that's true. But he's not forgotten. A lot of other people DO care and he'll always be remembered by people who have interest in pop culture and music. A large percentage of Middle America also doesn't know who Mozart or Bach is, but that doesn't mean they aren't two of the most famous composers of all time, does it? Validation of the mass public that wasn't confronted with Bowie while he was doing his thing decades ago, doesn't determine the cultural impact it had and will continue to be remembered as. Also, many people can't find Africa, Iceland or Australia on a map either, does that mean they're not there? Bowie's legacy is here forever. It's accessible for anyone, people just have the option of knowing or not knowing and some people just never get exposed to culture because well, they don't care. I did not contradict myself because when I said "its my opinion" and "im only stating a fact" because I use both in different context.. when I said my opinion, I was talking about something that happened but when I said im stating facts, I said that as a hypothetical example that if infact Gaga failed as an artist. Your argument can be also be applied to any local unknown artist! I am not saying that he is not a legend and will always have his legacy in the music industry, im just saying that most people will forget him and his music if they havent already. You dont have to attack me for saying this as I am not responsible for this outcome nor em I happy about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 57 minutes ago, DrewStevens said: No. Age of consent is not something you can change or make up. Having sex with a 15 year old girl when you're a grown ass man is illegal, it's statutory rape, you don't decide what legal and what's not, the end, period. Age of consent in the US is different depending of the state and when the age gap is small the law protects the adult by the Romeo and Juliet law. They all knew those girls were minors, they were a popular group of underage groupies. She didn't look older than 15, there's no way a man with some common sense would think that she was older than that. In my opinion and according to the law it was statutory rape. I believe having sex with a teenager who idolizes you is wrong and there's nothing you can say to change my mind. I agree with you but a law does not dictate what is right or wrong or what our moral values are.. laws are just opinions with a gun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venusfly 17,885 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I don't think we should focus on how the media reacted but rather how Bowies family reacted, it is very clear that Gaga didn't get permission from the family to perform a tribute and that is kinda sad... Lorde was a known friend of Bowie so she was more suited to do the tribute, we all know Gaga was a huge fan of Bowie, we all know her career is dedicated to Bowie, but a tribute is usually performed by someone the person was friends with, which no matter how much we deny we know Gaga wasn't one of them. I love the performance, I love Gaga, I love all the dedication and love she put into it, but it wasn't an effective tribute to a mans death. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanko 9,860 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 bowie and his family clearly did not like gaga that's all there is to it madonna shaded her in 2011 grace jones did that last year and david didn't like her gagas gonna burn all of her stan cards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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