Has Adele Moved On From WWWY?

[StrawberryBlond 14,102]

Adele's lack of caring about her own career really astounds me. She's going to need more hits if she wants to stick around. Singers nearly always have another great seller after their big hit, but the follow up to that is the real decider. More hits will heighten her chances of returning successfully once again but if she stops trying to have single success, she could fade and when people look back on her career, all they'll see is a burning match of an artist who sold based on hype alone. And that once people had her entire album in the first week, the era was over as soon as it began. The single situation with 25 was inevitable, but do-able. But she can only pull a 25 once. If she does this with the next one, people will begin to question how much of a hitmaker she really is.and if she can only sell albums due to name recognition as opposed to quality.

And yes, I'm sure some of her fans will say "But she's mega rich, she could never sell another record again and she'd still be rich for the rest of her life." But music isn't about the money! It's providing the people with amazing art that moves them. As an artist, you should want to make your art available to lots of people by promoting it, so as many as possible can get joy out of your work. If you don't care about providing for the people, just make your music for yourself and only share it with friends and family. Don't put music out into the world if you don't want it to "happen." Why did Adele choose to become famous if she just wanted to stay at home and never promote herself? That's what I'd like to know. And don't say: "But she never thought she'd be so big that she'd be required to be promote herself all the time." When you choose fame, you know there's always a chance that you'll become huge. I don't buy this fake modesty thing. If you chose to pursue fame, you must have thought you had a chance of being huge and of course you wanted it. Let's be real here.

[Whispering 18,865]

@StrawberryBlond "Why did Adele choose to become famous if she just wanted to stay at home and never promote herself "

You mean like Lana? Why doesn't Lana just make music for her friends and family? She is just selfish and lazy, right? 

Meanwhile, Adele has been on magazine covers with articles, award's shows, late night shows, morning talk shows, SNL and recorded a tv special . She is also doing a worldwide tour this year to support her current album. Adele is promoting herself and her new album. 

Have you been in a cave and missed all of that? 

[StrawberryBlond 14,102]

4 minutes ago, Whispering said:

@StrawberryBlond "Why did Adele choose to become famous if she just wanted to stay at home and never promote herself "

You mean like Lana? 

Meanwhile, Adele has been on magazine covers with articles, award's shows, late night shows, morning talk shows, SNL and recorded a tv special . She is also doing a worldwide tour this year to support her current album. Adele is promoting herself and her new album. 

Different situation. Remember that Lana was never as big as Adele. And labels only choose to invest into promotion of artists who they know can actually sell. You could think that Lana isn't promoting because she chooses to. But artists always have to give the impression that everything they do in their career is their decision when really, the label dictates it. And tells them to keep this secret. There are loads of artists chomping at the bit to promote but they aren't allowed to. Interscope know that Lana isn't a single seller, so they see no point in spending money for promo spots that might not make much of a difference. We don't see a lot of indie artists getting promo for this very reason. Adeel gets these promo opportunities because, quite simply, she can. But she could still do more as well as the "right type" (i.e. singing her current single). Adele can sell singles and albums. So, why isn't the label promoting her more or not making her promote her current single? My guess is that they bow down to her because she makes them so rich, just like Big Machine are Taylor's lapdog. Makes me want to heave. There are so much more worthy artists who would kill for this kind of freedom and respect from their label. Unlike lots of people, I don't find Adele's don't care attitude towards her career to be down to earth and endearing. It's downright insulting to the artists who are supremely more talented and work their fingers to the bone for basically nothing. Meanwhile, Adele cackles like a drain about how she doesn't care about promotion while she turns out her run-of-the-mill tunes that any professional writer could write in their sleep but for some reason take 3+ years for her to produce.

[Whispering 18,865]

@StrawberryBlond 

No, it's not a different situation. Lana still has fans that would like to see her on shows or at least on tour. 

Labels promote artists that sell 100K total. BS! I see Indie artists on morning and late night shows every single week. Interscope would fully support Lana if she wanted to go on a few shows and perform. She has enough fans, in several parts of the world, to more than support at least a theatre tour. This isn't the labels fault, Lana just doesn't want to do these things for her fans. 

The label isn't going to make Adele sing her single. She is still selling 100K on BB every week. She was number one...again...just this past week! It doesn't take an IQ over 85 to figure out that Adele is an album seller....you know,mince she is the biggest one this decade! 

When artists are selling eight to thirty million copies of multiple albums, they are naturally going to be given more leadway. Simple common sense here! 

Lol, you are so bitter. Poor you, the artists you hate are doing well in every way possible, while your girl won't even tour so you can see her live or sing one song on a Billboard show where she was given an award. (While every other award winning artist  on that show at least performed a song) Your fave is lazy and selfish and doesn't care about her fans. Her don't care attitude is insulting to those who are supremely more talented and working their fingers to the bone to try to get a recording contract of any kind. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,102]

24 minutes ago, Whispering said:

@StrawberryBlond 

No, it's not a different situation. Lana still has fans that would like to see her on shows or at least on tour. 

Labels promote artists that sell 100K total. BS! I see Indie artists on morning and late night shows every single week. Interscope would fully support Lana if she wanted to go on a few shows and perform. She has enough fans, in several parts of the world, to more than support at least a theatre tour. This isn't the labels fault, Lana just doesn't want to do these things for her fans. 

The label isn't going to make Adele sing her single. She is still selling 100K on BB every week. She was number one...again...just this past week! It doesn't take an IQ over 85 to figure out that Adele is an album seller....you know,mince she is the biggest one this decade! 

When artists are selling eight to thirty million copies of multiple albums, they are naturally going to be given more leadway. Simple common sense here! 

Lol, you are so bitter. Poor you, the artists you hate are doing well in every way possible, while your girl won't even tour so you can see her live or sing one song on a Billboard show where she was given an award. (While every other award winning artist  on that show at least performed a song) Your fave is lazy and selfish and doesn't care about her fans. Her don't care attitude is insulting to those who are supremely more talented and working their fingers to the bone to try to get a recording contract of any kind. 

Once again, you only speak from an American standpoint. In Britain, it's massively hard to get any sort of promo if you aren't B list at least and/or don't have lots of hits. It's just the same old faces getting promoted everywhere in my country - it's exhausting and predictable. Where is your proof that Lana doesn't want to tour? It's all speculation. Why is it I'm not allowed to be so certain of things but you are?

Because it's common sense to sing your latest single! Otherwise, there's no point in having a set single at all! All you spout is numbers and chart positions - so materialistic. It doesn't impress me! You should know that by now! Even if you're an album seller, you still have to try to make singles work. That's what encourages people to buy your album, after all.

Yes, they should be given more leeway, but not to the point where they could do their career more harm than good. I'd be telling Adele to get hustling if I were on her label. If she can sell that much by doing very little, think how much she could sell if she did promo everywhere! If you have a Ferrari, you don't keep it in the garage!

Not every artist tours with every album. Not every artist performs at every award show. Lana has been releasing an album of mindblowingly high quality every year since 2012 (see, Rihanna, it is possible to make quality annual albums!). I think she deserves a break here and there. It probably is the reason why she doesn't do lots of touring - she's always working on her next album which she writes all by herself. I don't mind taking one or the other. I would rather have a great Gaga album every year than have a Gaga tour with every album (as nice as that would be). You sometimes have to sacrifice one thing for the other in the business. As long as I'm getting music from my faves frequently, I'm happy. But if I'm only getting an album once in a blue moon, barely any promo and no tour into the bargain, I'm moving on (that's how I stopped being an Xtina fan). A full house is unacceptable. Adele isn't at the full house stage but if she gets too comfortable with her length of time between albums and take it easy attitude all round, she's going to fade. She came back with a predictable, safe album that wasn't as good as 25, a lot of people agreed on that. The fact it took her nearly 5 years to give us this isn't a good sign. She was mad to refuse Alive and Bird Set Free that Sia offered her. Yet she accepted dirge like Send My Love (To Your New Lover)? Once again, 5 years to give us mediocre songs like that won't bode well for her over time.

[Whispering 18,865]

@StrawberryBlond 

Lana said she didn't want to tour anymore. When she did tour, it was a short tour with a short set. She hasn't shown incentive to be on a long tour to reach her fans all over the world. 

Nah, it's common sense that a label will give more leadway to an artist that is selling more albums than all the other artist in the top ten put together! Adele's career has always been approached differently than your average pop star anyways, and there is no reason to change that. Don't try to fix what is clearly not broken. 

Rihanna promoted and toured with every album over those years of releasing every year. Those two can't be compared...that's a silly comparison. 

Deseves a break. Lol Yeah, so she can hang out with her latest boyfriend and get high. I mean, she can do whatever she wants to do, but she isn't doing the traveling and promo work that others are doing....AND she could be doing that! 

Mediocre? That's exactly what most people thought about Lana's last two albums. Just look at those numbers. She lost so many of her casual fans and fans in general. Keep being pressed and Adele will continue to sell more in a month than your fave sells overall and sell out every date she has on her worldwide tour.  

[Pop 4,541]

Not even Adele's era becoming a mess.

Everything is prepared for Gaga, ha comeback. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,102]

Fans are used to artists like Lana not touring all the time anyway. She just stands and sings - that is generally not an act that a label will push to tour constantly. Ironically, being on an indie label generally means you'll do bigger tours than being on a major label. Major labels tend to put major touring limitations on artists who aren't huge sellers. Rihanna didn't tour with Talk That Talk and look how much that sold!

Oh, yes, because taking the holier than thou approach to your career always works! We did that for Gaga and look how that turned out! The tide can turn. The public get bored when an artist does the same idea and rollout with every album. Yes, even Lana. But I don't mind as her form of music and talent is perfection, so she doesn't need to change.

I'm not talking about touring. I'm talking about releasing an album of quality every year. Rihanna couldn't do that even with a team of professional writers. Lana does it effortlessly every year all on her own.

Yeah, Adele deserves a break too, so she can hang out with her husband and drink a bottle of wine. She takes any opportunity to take time off. It was widely speculated when she cancelled a show once that it was because she just wanted to spend time with him, when he was her boyfriend at the time. For all her supposed failings, I don't think Lana has ever cancelled appearances. I even saw her live the day after she was at the Cannes film festival. Some singers might have said no thanks to flying to Scotland for a gig the next day, but she did. It should be expected for an artist to fufil these obligations but you'd be surprised how many don't because they're hungover the day after a big event.

Well, I don't find them mediocre. I think a lot of people were expecting something different when they bought her album, so gave up on her quickly. Just because you personally don't like something doesn't mean it's mediocre. Lana's talent is evident to anyone with a brain. You don't have to like her music but at least admire the intelligence, originality and poetic nature of her lyrics. And seriously? Pressed? More in a month than your fave? How old are you, 12? This inane pop fan talk doesn't fly with me.

 

[Whispering 18,865]

Oh please, there are tons of Singer-Songwriter type artists that tour extensively with every album they put out. Quit making excuses! The label is not holding Lana back from doing a full tour with a full set. She simply doesn't want to do it! 

Adele took time off to hav a child and raise it. Way different than sitting around with her man and drinking. Do you even hear yourself when you come up with these innacurate statements? During that time, she wrote and recorded demos for three albums and waited for the right album of songs to release. 

Just because you personally don't like something doesn't mean it is mediocre. Adele's talent is evident to anyone with a brain. You don't have to like her music, but at least admire her talent. 

How old are you? Your comments here are centered around being bitter over artists who are doing well, like they are personally changing your life. Enjoy what music you enjoy and look at how much time you spend on music and artists that you don't enjoy. That obsession is the very definition of inane pop talk. You are so caught up in it all, you spend the majority of your time on this site discussing what you don't care for. 

[gagaisitalian 3,573]

I didn't like WWWY so I'm not sad if it's cut short.

[StrawberryBlond 14,102]

22 hours ago, Whispering said:

Oh please, there are tons of Singer-Songwriter type artists that tour extensively with every album they put out. Quit making excuses! The label is not holding Lana back from doing a full tour with a full set. She simply doesn't want to do it! 

Adele took time off to hav a child and raise it. Way different than sitting around with her man and drinking. Do you even hear yourself when you come up with these innacurate statements? During that time, she wrote and recorded demos for three albums and waited for the right album of songs to release. 

Just because you personally don't like something doesn't mean it is mediocre. Adele's talent is evident to anyone with a brain. You don't have to like her music, but at least admire her talent. 

How old are you? Your comments here are centered around being bitter over artists who are doing well, like they are personally changing your life. Enjoy what music you enjoy and look at how much time you spend on music and artists that you don't enjoy. That obsession is the very definition of inane pop talk. You are so caught up in it all, you spend the majority of your time on this site discussing what you don't care for. 

Has she actually expressly said she doesn't want to tour? I've not find any evidence of her saying it.

I know Adele took time off to have a child. But it's also because she didn't feel inspired to write new music. She said that herself. 2 albums and she was already out of inspiration at the tender age of 22. Some "artist." 22 is when a lot of artists are just getting started! She was practically on the verge of packing it all in! Your 20's are supposed to be the age where you're buzzing with inspiration, which is why many artists release the most amount of albums in this time frame. By the time she hits a decade in the industry, she'll only have made 3 albums, all of them consisting of 11-12 tracks 3-4 minutes long each. Weak.

I believe Adele's mediocre not just because of my preference but because she's objectively very basic. Her beats are nothing new and are just classic melodies we've heard before. Her lyrics are nothing new and just re-hashes of classic lines we've heard before. I didn't say she didn't have talent. She does. It's just very basic talent. For the record, I ranked 25 as one of the best of the year (only 3/5 and very low on the list, but still) and I ranked Hello among my top ten best singles of the year.

I'm 26. In a sense, the artists I dislike are affecting my life because music is my lifeblood and I review music everyday. Therefore, I am witness to all different artists all the time. I can't just switch off the bad parts. It invades me at every turn. It's why I can't understand why some people don't know of the most popular artists because I'm all: "But they're everywhere! Their music is all around us!" I became so averse to Adele because she was inescapable during 21. Even when I wasn't seeking her out, she came to me. On the magazine rack, on the instore radio station, while flicking through tv channels, while walking past someone's house. Basically, if people make artists popular that I dislike, my life is going to be affected. I'm always like "Congratulations, public, you made a bad song popular - now I'm going to hear it everywhere!" I think I have a right to vent my frustrations, Isn't that a healthy way of dealing with things? Plus, isn't it fun to hate sometimes?

[Whispering 18,865]

@StrawberryBlond

Yes, that's what she said. There was a thread about it here. I'm surprised you don't remember that, as you seem to remember every detail (with a lot of elaborations and false assumptions) of the artists that you hate. Maybe that's because you spend so much time on the artists that you hate verses following the artists that you claim to love? 

Well, she did just go through pregnancy and had a small baby to take care of around the clock. She wasn't handing him off to others. Not only do your hormones change during that time, but you change dramatically as a person. It only makes sense that it would take some women time to learn about themselves as a different person. I imagine this is especially true for an artist. When your world suddenly becomes about someone else, moreso than anything you've ever known before, It takes a while to get back to you sometimes. Perfectly normal! Thankfully, she was intelligent enough to know that she was at a certain stage in her life. 

Yeah....that's all just your opinion. I feel the same about Lana and tons of other artists. So what? 

The artists you dislike would have absolutely nothing to do with your life, unless you allow them to...and that's what you do. Artists aren't everywhere....you allow them to be in your life. You said you never, ever listen to radio...so that should keep their music out of your life. Don't click on the threads of the artists you dislike, that would help, as then you wouldn't feel this obsessive need to discuss them. You allow this negativity and hate in your life. These artists are not coming into your life! 

If I dislike an artists greatly or hate some song, I switch the channel, or I don't focus on it if I happen to hear the song in a store. If you are that overly sensitive to a random song you dislike, just carry headphones in your purse, so you can listen to songs on your phone when you don't like the songs. 

No, it's really not healthy to hate, when it takes over your life to the extent you are describing it. In the past, you haven't described it as a fun past time, but as something that obsessively controls your thoughts. That's sad. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,102]

3 minutes ago, Whispering said:

@StrawberryBlond

Yes, that's what she said. There was a thread about it here. I'm surprised you don't remember that, as you seem to remember every detail (with a lot of elaborations and false assumptions) of the artists that you hate. Maybe that's because you spend so much time on the artists that you hate verses following the artists that you claim to love? 

Well, she did just go through pregnancy and had a small baby to take care of around the clock. She wasn't handing him off to others. Not only do your hormones change during that time, but you change dramatically as a person. It only makes sense that it would take some women time to learn about themselves as a different person. I imagine this is especially true for an artist. When your world suddenly becomes about someone else, moreso than anything you've ever known before, It takes a while to get back to you sometimes. Perfectly normal! Thankfully, she was intelligent enough to know that she was at a certain stage in her life. 

Yeah....that's all just your opinion. I feel the same about Lana and tons of other artists. So what? 

The artists you dislike would have absolutely nothing to do with your life, unless you allow them to...and that's what you do. Artists aren't everywhere....you allow them to be in your life. You said you never, ever listen to radio...so that should keep their music out of your life. Don't click on the threads of the artists you dislike, that would help, as then you wouldn't feel this obsessive need to discuss them. You allow this negativity and hate in your life. These artists are not coming into your life! 

If I dislike an artists greatly or hate some song, I switch the channel, or I don't focus on it if I happen to hear the song in a store. If you are that overly sensitive to a random song you dislike, just carry headphones in your purse, so you can listen to songs on your phone when you don't like the songs. 

No, it's really not healthy to hate, when it takes over your life to the extent you are describing it. In the past, you haven't described it as a fun past time, but as something that obsessively controls your thoughts. That's sad. 

I've researched it online. I can't find anything about this anywhere - not an article, not a video. If she did say it, well, I stand corrected. But seeing how she's apparently focused on making another new album, I don't blame her for not wanting to tour. She is also heavily focused on making music videos that she plays a big role in. Like I said, as long as I'm getting new music frequently, I don't mind if I'm not given a tour all the time. Live performances are great and all, but the music's the most important thing. I'd rather never see Lana tour again but always be giving us new music as opposed to giving us an album rarely but with a tour every time. I'll take the Lana model over the Adele model any day.

I'm just responding to what you said about me not respecting Adele's talent, that's all. I'm just saying it's not non-existant, just basic. I still struggle to understand how you can view Lana as basic. No one else makes lyrics like hers. When Adele makes lyrics as original and rich like Off To The Races, Gods And Monster or Bel Air then we can talk.

But that's my point - I don't allow them to. They invade anyway, in ways that I can't switch off. And I may not listen to radio, but it still comes on in places where I can't turn it off. I'm not going to walk around in headphones - it's antisocial, you can't hear things that might be important and leaves you vulnerable to accidents. I don't think you can say I can blame myself in that case because I like to be aware of sounds around me.

It doesn't obsessively control my thoughts as extremely as all that. It's just in cases like that of Adele where it becomes accumulative because she was such a big hit. It's just when I put myself in music mode, the obsession happens - it doesn't happen when I'm eating or trying to sleep or am being focused on anything other than music.

[Whispering 18,865]

5 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I've researched it online. I can't find anything about this anywhere - not an article, not a video. If she did say it, well, I stand corrected. But seeing how she's apparently focused on making another new album, I don't blame her for not wanting to tour. She is also heavily focused on making music videos that she plays a big role in. Like I said, as long as I'm getting new music frequently, I don't mind if I'm not given a tour all the time. Live performances are great and all, but the music's the most important thing. I'd rather never see Lana tour again but always be giving us new music as opposed to giving us an album rarely but with a tour every time. I'll take the Lana model over the Adele model any day.

I'm just responding to what you said about me not respecting Adele's talent, that's all. I'm just saying it's not non-existant, just basic. I still struggle to understand how you can view Lana as basic. No one else makes lyrics like hers. When Adele makes lyrics as original and rich like Off To The Races, Gods And Monster or Bel Air then we can talk.

But that's my point - I don't allow them to. They invade anyway, in ways that I can't switch off. And I may not listen to radio, but it still comes on in places where I can't turn it off. I'm not going to walk around in headphones - it's antisocial, you can't hear things that might be important and leaves you vulnerable to accidents. I don't think you can say I can blame myself in that case because I like to be aware of sounds around me.

It doesn't obsessively control my thoughts as extremely as all that. It's just in cases like that of Adele where it becomes accumulative because she was such a big hit. It's just when I put myself in music mode, the obsession happens - it doesn't happen when I'm eating or trying to sleep or am being focused on anything other than music.

She said she doesn't want to tour anymore. We all discussed it on this site. 

Artists do tours between albums, even when they come out more frequently than every two years. Lana had plenty of time to do a tour after she released her last album, especially since she wasn't doing any other kind of promo. When she did tour, she did a one hour set....one hour! She doesn't want to be bothered with performing for her fans. She doesn't want to spend the time and energy it takes to do promo, to do performances or to tour. Stop making these silly excuses for her. 

That's what you want then, just albums and no promo or performances, interviews or tours. I'm glad you found an artist to meet your needs. Others look for other qualities in artists. They want something different. See how that works? 

I struggle to see how you see Adele as mediocre. You struggle to see how I find Lana mediocre. See how that works? Eh, I don't care for her lyrics of her melodies. You can think they are some brilliant lyrics, but I don't feel the same. See how that works? 

More excuses. They invade because you allow them to. If **** bothers you that much, do something about it. At 26 years old, you should have enough maturity to do what you need to do to make your world a comfortable place. If you have some kind of OCD and it freaks you out that much to hear a song you don't like when shopping for groceries, then do something about it! No one cares if you are "antisocial" in a flipping grocery store. Most people walk around talking on their phones, looking at their phones or are concentrating on remembering what they need to pick up.  At least you would be quiet and wouldn't disturb people...and it should only be for when you hear song you can't stand to hear. What's going to happen in a clothing store or a grocery store? Lol Get headphones that aren't noise canceling, then. 

[RichAssPiss 4,697]

It was such a strange choice. "When We Were Young" has been climbing on iTunes and radio. A Grammy performance could have easily made it a major chart hit the way her VMA performance did "Someone Like You."