lego 44,165 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, TiphEret said: I see your point but i think what people try to say here is the double standard of being a lone wolf for Breivik and not a neo nazi while every Isis terrorist are doing in the name of all terrorists hence people being stupid enough to stigmatize them while if a white KKK guy do it... he is a lost cause but most white christian won't suffer from it. Plus the fact that islam is not a majority religion in Western countries plays a lot with fear and ignorance. But you are right ISIS is getting way too far (I mean they are succeeding way too much...) and that should be the main worry. I think many white Europeans are not aware of these neonazi groups because they're not affected/targeted. People who look "foreign" can be beaten up or stabbed by an organized group of skinheads, but those cases are treated differently. They are literally terrorizing citizens in some cities, but it's not called terrorism. What Breivik did was definition of terrorism and media had double standards with calling him terrorist and even some here will downplay his actions by calling him a local thug/lone wolf/mentally ill etc. 2 minutes ago, MJHolland said: Oh. When was the last time the KKK or any other Christian terrorist organization committed an attack? Oh yeah thats right... How do you know this person is part of any organization? And since you're asking, Oregon militia bandits and one of them is now dead, luckily they didn't use their women and children as shields, as they promised. And in 2011 Norwegian massacre, that was terrorism by a Christian far right murderer. And in Africa, there are Christian militia ethnically cleansing non christians. But you don't care about the world outside of the US. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 there's more... http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/26/patriot-terrorist-frames-muslims-with-quran-bomb.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/03/24/surprise-another-christian-terrorist.html "a devout Jehovah’s Witness" Oh and how could you forget warrior for babies? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/10/im-a-warrior-for-the-babies-planned-parenthood-suspect-declares-in-court/ FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 12 minutes ago, VampireHeart said: How do you know this person is part of any organization? And since you're asking, Oregon militia bandits and one of them is now dead, luckily they didn't use their women and children as shields, as they promised. And in 2011 Norwegian massacre, that was terrorism by a Christian far right murderer. And in Africa, there are Christian militia ethnically cleansing non christians. But you don't care about the world outside of the US. Perhaps every account of white terrorism was just listed in this thread. If you tried to list every act of terrorism linked to Islam in the 21st century, this site would crash. Also, not a single one of those terrorists you just mentioned carried out the LONE WOLF attacks in the name of expanding global christianity. Stop apologizing for radical Islam. Stop trying to pretend that it doesn't exist. Stop trying to say there isn't a problem for Islam because white people also commit acts of "terror". We are not color blind. Terrorism is by far is Muslim problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, MJHolland said: Perhaps every account of white terrorism was just listed in this thread. If you tried to list every act of terrorism linked to Islam in the 21st century, this site would crash. Also, not a single one of those terrorists you just mentioned carried out the LONE WOLF attacks in the name of expanding global christianity. Stop apologizing for radical Islam. Stop trying to pretend that it doesn't exist. Stop trying to say there isn't a problem for Islam because white people also commit acts of "terror". We are not color blind. Terrorism is by far is Muslim problem. No they are not all listed and they're not all lone wolves either. Neonazi groups are organized and want to keep Europe "White and Christian". Same thing with right wing looneys in America. There's that gun seller in Florida with Bible verses to use against Muslims. Google him. If it would be only a "muslim issue", muslims wouldn't be majority of the victims of terrorism. But it only hurts when it's in the West. It's also the fact that non-muslim terrorism is never called like that in the media. And to counter your first question, when was the last time Muslim armies from the Middle East invaded Western countries, stirred up wars, set up puppet governments, funded rebels to fight those governments, tested new weapons on the civilians, bombed hospitals,etc...? Oh yeah, that's right. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 6 minutes ago, VampireHeart said: No they are not all listed and they're not all lone wolves either. Neonazi groups are organized and want to keep Europe "White and Christian". Same thing with right wing looneys in America. There's that gun seller in Florida with Bible verses to use against Muslims. Google him. If it would be only a "muslim issue", muslims wouldn't be majority of the victims of terrorism. But it only hurts when it's in the West. It's also the fact that non-muslim terrorism is never called like that in the media. And to counter your first question, when was the last time Muslim armies from the Middle East invaded Western countries, stirred up wars, set up puppet governments, funded rebels to fight those governments, tested new weapons on the civilians, bombed hospitals,etc...? Oh yeah, that's right. Ummm, what?! Bashar: Muslim; used chemical weapons on his citizens who wanted democracy. Al Qaeda: Muslims; flew planes into the Twin Towers to antagonize wars. Hamas: Muslim; lobs rockets into Israel and aims at schools and hospitals. Saudi Arabia: Muslim; allows and FUNDS radial Islam and ultimately terrorism. I WISH the Islamist terrorists JUST wanted to keep the middle east Arab. But not, they want to spread global jihad. That is absolutely unprecedented in any other modern religion. And listen to yourself man! You're talking about obscure and rare examples in America to APOLOGIZE for a Muslim man who was obviously planning a terrorist attack to kill children in the name of Islam. Get a grip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,683 Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 7 minutes ago, VampireHeart said: If it would be only a "muslim issue", muslims wouldn't be majority of the victims of terrorism. But it only hurts when it's in the West. It's also the fact that non-muslim terrorism is never called like that in the media. Great point. Interestingly Muslims are the most affected in the countries where these terrorist cells originate. Abroad, Muslim communities are harmed with a negative image of them being embedded in Westerner's minds. However, I'd say terrorism in the West in the 21st century is definitely dominated by individuals that hold radical Islamic beliefs. And not only the West, these groups target their own people in the ME and SW Asia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 43 minutes ago, MJHolland said: Oh I cannot stand people that are Islamist apologists. Political correctness is going to lead this world to burn, I swear. Modern. Day. Terrorism. Is. A. Muslim. Issue. That is a fact. There is no point in denying it. Not a fact. Many white men are in ISIS. They use the religion to incite violence, totally taking it out of context. Also there are many forms of terrorism specifically in Europe that are committed by white people Come back to me when you watch something other than Fox News Gaga x Nicki x Azealia x Ariana x Kesha x Bey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 26 minutes ago, MJHolland said: Perhaps every account of white terrorism was just listed in this thread. If you tried to list every act of terrorism linked to Islam in the 21st century, this site would crash. Also, not a single one of those terrorists you just mentioned carried out the LONE WOLF attacks in the name of expanding global christianity. Stop apologizing for radical Islam. Stop trying to pretend that it doesn't exist. Stop trying to say there isn't a problem for Islam because white people also commit acts of "terror". We are not color blind. Terrorism is by far is Muslim problem. Or maybe you're more aware of Islamic terrorism because that's what you bend over and take up your ass through the mainstream media who have little credibility in anything Gaga x Nicki x Azealia x Ariana x Kesha x Bey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 6 minutes ago, MJHolland said: Ummm, what?! Bashar: Muslim; used chemical weapons on his citizens who wanted democracy. Al Qaeda: Muslims; flew planes into the Twin Towers to antagonize wars. Hamas: Muslim; lobs rockets into Israel and aims at schools and hospitals. Saudi Arabia: Muslim; allows and FUNDS radial Islam and ultimately terrorism. I WISH the Islamist terrorists JUST wanted to keep the middle east Arab. But not, they want to spread global jihad. That is absolutely unprecedented in any other modern religion. And listen to yourself man! You're talking about obscure and rare examples in America to APOLOGIZE for a Muslim man who was obviously planning a terrorist attack to kill children in the name of Islam. Get a grip. Did you miss all the white men that go over to join ISIS or.... Gaga x Nicki x Azealia x Ariana x Kesha x Bey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said: Not a fact. Many white men are in ISIS. They use the religion to incite violence, totally taking it out of context. Also there are many forms of terrorism specifically in Europe that are committed by white people Come back to me when you watch something other than Fox News Did I say ISIS was 100% Arab men? HAHAHAHAHAH you don't even know the damn difference between race and religion! Don't quote me again. I'm so embarrassed for you lolol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said: Did you miss all the white men that go over to join ISIS or.... Are you f*cking with me? Just because they're white doesn't mean they're not Muslims.... They're still Muslims... holy **** hahahaha I don't want to be mean but dude... are you actually being serious? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, MJHolland said: Did I say ISIS was 100% Arab men? HAHAHAHAHAH you don't even know the damn difference between race and religion! Don't quote me again. I'm so embarrassed for you lolol. Then why do you constantly talk about the Middle East as if it's the only place Muslims reside? HUR DUR There are billions of Muslims and you wanna talk about a few 30,000 militia and go on to blame Islam, great logic Gaga x Nicki x Azealia x Ariana x Kesha x Bey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,683 Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 I'd like to add that yes, terrorism is committed by various groups in the world. However, "the war on terror" as known by US foreign policy and nearly the entire Western world is clearly targeted at radical Islam. I don't think saying "whites also commit terrorism!" is going to get us anywhere. Groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda continue to terrorize the world. I don't think people here are apologists but I don't think we should ignore the threats these groups pose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said: Then why do you constantly talk about the Middle East as if it's the only place Muslims reside? HUR DUR Did I bro? Because I most definitely never even implied that. That's for making me crack up, I haven't laughed that hard in a while. Mess hahaha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 13 minutes ago, MJHolland said: Ummm, what?! Bashar: Muslim; used chemical weapons on his citizens who wanted democracy. Al Qaeda: Muslims; flew planes into the Twin Towers to antagonize wars. Hamas: Muslim; lobs rockets into Israel and aims at schools and hospitals. Saudi Arabia: Muslim; allows and FUNDS radial Islam and ultimately terrorism. I WISH the Islamist terrorists JUST wanted to keep the middle east Arab. But not, they want to spread global jihad. That is absolutely unprecedented in any other modern religion. And listen to yourself man! You're talking about obscure and rare examples in America to APOLOGIZE for a Muslim man who was obviously planning a terrorist attack to kill children in the name of Islam. Get a grip. Don't bold half of the sentence, you didn't answer my question. When was the last time Muslim armies invaded West? Because I can guarantee you, that if the roles were reveresed, there would be daesh equivalent in Western Christian countries. The so called war on terror produced close to 4 million dead and more terror. And it's the result of American foreign policy. If you wouldn't invade Iraq and Afghanistan, if you wouldn't fund al Qaeda against the Soviet Union, if you wouldn't steal from there and bomb these countries you wouldn't have daesh today. That is a fact. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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