Whispering 18,865 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 22 minutes ago, SubRosa said: He can kick them out, but that doesn't mean it's right. Other situation is much worse, but you and others are justifying it. I'm just done with this whole topic. Sorry. Exactly. But at a private event, the people in charge have a right to remove anyone that they feel is disruptive. (not that I agree with this removal) I'm not justifying it...just simply saying that it isn't a situation that puts random innocent victims in danger. The Feds seem to be taking a wait them out approach since they aren't endangering anyone nearby at this time. If they make moves to do so, the situation will then become of more concern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Whispering said: Exactly. But at a private event, the people in charge have a right to remove anyone that they feel is disruptive. (not that I agree with this removal) I'm not justifying it...just simply saying that it isn't a situation that puts random innocent victims in danger. The Feds seem to be taking a wait them out approach since they aren't endangering anyone nearby at this time. If they make moves to do so, the situation will then become of more concern. They are actually putting their women and children in danger, the parts you didn't quote. I was comparing ways of protesting, silent standing up, not really disturbing anyone versus taking over a place by guns. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, SubRosa said: They are actually putting their women and children in danger, the parts you didn't quote. I was comparing ways of protesting, silent standing up, not really disturbing anyone versus taking over a place by guns. Are there women and children being held at this building against their will? Are they in immediate danger? That's why the authorities are letting them just stay in their place, away from citizens of the community. Yes, I got that, but you were comparing a private event versus a federal building where birds hang out. If this Muslim woman wanted to go stand in a bird sanctuary, holding a sign, she would be allowed to do so. If she wanted to stand outside the mayors office and protest peacefully (as she was doing at this private event), she would not be escorted away...unless she was blocking the entrance, or something of that nature. It doesn't make sense to compare these two situations, because one is protected by free speech and one isn't. The private event is not a place where free speech is allowed, as far as what those running the show want to allow or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 1 hour ago, just4fun said: I have a friend who attended a Trump rally and I suggest you do the same before you write another response like this. There are protestors in every rally no matter which one you go to, but the way they are treated in a Trump rally is disgusting and violent. Im not sure what your argument is exactly.. do I have to travel 17 hours to America to attend a Trump rally to have an opinion on this? Im giving my opinion based on what is written in the article and If you dont like what im saying, try making an actual argument instead of giving invalid comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 1 hour ago, VampireHeart said: They are actually putting their women and children in danger, the parts you didn't quote. I was comparing ways of protesting, silent standing up, not really disturbing anyone versus taking over a place by guns. These women and children would lose the land they live in that is part of their heritage and their family and grandparents would pay be force to pay millions and go to jail for years and die there.. this is not using women and children as shields, its a community standing together asking for their legal rights and nobody is being held against their will or is in danger. Again, guns are not illegal.. it seems like you think your opinions are the law because it makes sense in your head but the reality is they are not breaking any kind of law yet the government is and it seems like you dont have any problem with that because you agree with the government! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 21 minutes ago, Fays1 said: These women and children would lose the land they live in that is part of their heritage and their family and grandparents would pay be force to pay millions and go to jail for years and die there.. this is not using women and children as shields, its a community standing together asking for their legal rights and nobody is being held against their will or is in danger. Again, guns are not illegal.. it seems like you think your opinions are the law because it makes sense in your head but the reality is they are not breaking any kind of law yet the government is and it seems like you dont have any problem with that because you agree with the government! "We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front, if they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers." These are exactly their words. Community sticks together lol. Are children there against their will, someone said, like they have any saying. Heritage of the white settlers? Tell that to the Natives. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/tribe-member-american-indians-would-have-been-dead-by-now-if-they-protested-like-oregon-militants_568d8bc8e4b0c8beacf58547 You can stop quoting me now, we're done. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 13 minutes ago, VampireHeart said: "We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front, if they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers." These are exactly their words. Community sticks together lol. Are children there against their will, someone said, like they have any saying. Heritage of the white settlers? Tell that to the Natives. You can stop quoting me now, we're done. I can easily make an argument against what you said but it seems like your not interested.. If your gonna get upset, dont have an argument with me in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 1 hour ago, VampireHeart said: "We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front, if they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers." These are exactly their words. Community sticks together lol. Are children there against their will, someone said, like they have any saying. Heritage of the white settlers? Tell that to the Natives. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/tribe-member-american-indians-would-have-been-dead-by-now-if-they-protested-like-oregon-militants_568d8bc8e4b0c8beacf58547 You can stop quoting me now, we're done. They aren't an immediate threat to civilians. That's the bottom line. The easiest and best solution is to watch them from a distance and wait them out. Eventually, they will have to go back to their lives. They will have people, property and jobs to take care of, so they will end up going back to their homes. If the situation changes, the authorities will have to rethink their strategy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 2 hours ago, Fays1 said: Im not sure what your argument is exactly.. do I have to travel 17 hours to America to attend a Trump rally to have an opinion on this? Im giving my opinion based on what is written in the article and If you dont like what im saying, try making an actual argument instead of giving invalid comments. How is it invalid? Trump supporters are violent towards protestors. It doesn't happen in other rallies. My friend was pushed into oncoming traffic and the car clipped her. Thank goodness she wasn't hurt. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 2 hours ago, just4fun said: How is it invalid? Trump supporters are violent towards protestors. It doesn't happen in other rallies. My friend was pushed into oncoming traffic and the car clipped her. Thank goodness she wasn't hurt. We are not talking about Trumps supporters or any of his other rallies, we are talking about weather Trump himself is a racist for kicking out a muslim woman from his event. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Fays1 said: We are not talking about Trumps supporters or any of his other rallies, we are talking about weather Trump himself is a racist for kicking out a muslim woman from his event. She got up and stood quietly. Anyone with a back problem would do the same and not get kicked out. She was thrown out because she was Muslim and probably it was for the best because the crowd in that room were hateful idiots who probably would have caused her and her companion harm. She was not speaking while Trump was speaking and she was not being disrespectful. So ejecting her based on the fact that she was silently standing in a while wearing a hijab is racist. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOLANTIS 16,503 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 12 hours ago, Licq said: Who knows.. She's probably more homophobic than trump is Not every person identifying themselves as a Muslim is necessarily a homophobe. Even if she was, she's silent about it and is not gathering money for her personal views. I'll lift you 3 inches off the ground and drag you to a meter and a half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 7 hours ago, just4fun said: She got up and stood quietly. Anyone with a back problem would do the same and not get kicked out. She was thrown out because she was Muslim and probably it was for the best because the crowd in that room were hateful idiots who probably would have caused her and her companion harm. She was not speaking while Trump was speaking and she was not being disrespectful. So ejecting her based on the fact that she was silently standing in a while wearing a hijab is racist. I already made the argument about this in my previous comments.. trump kicks out anyone and everyone that protest against him. He has kicked out many White, Africa American, Hispanic out of his rally so this is obviously not racist! I dont understand how you think its okay to accuse someone of racism when your only proof of that is assumption! people like you will falsely accuse anyone that disagree with you and will use victimize and use minorities to put forward your political agenda. also, islam is not a race and im a Muslim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 12 minutes ago, Fays1 said: I already made the argument about this i my previous comments.. trump kicks out anyone and everyone that protest against him. He has kicked out many White, Africa American, Hispanic out of his rally so this is obviously not racist! I dont understand how you think its okay to demonize and accuse someone of things like racism when your only proof of that is assumption! also, islam is not a race and im a Muslim by the way. Racism and religious discrimination sometimes called creedism go hand in hand. The only religion that was a word would for hate against that particular religion would be antisemetic. That's why most people use the term racism to also encompass hate based on religious differences and some modern definitions already include religious discrimination as racist. OT: All she did was stand up quietly. The Trump supporters were the ones who became disruptive and yes he has kicked out people of different races from his rallies for being disruptive, but this time he kicked out someone whose only action was to stand up quietly in a hijab. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 5 hours ago, just4fun said: Racism and religious discrimination sometimes called creedism go hand in hand. The only religion that was a word would for hate against that particular religion would be antisemetic. That's why most people use the term racism to also encompass hate based on religious differences and some modern definitions already include religious discrimination as racist. OT: All she did was stand up quietly. The Trump supporters were the ones who became disruptive and yes he has kicked out people of different races from his rallies for being disruptive, but this time he kicked out someone whose only action was to stand up quietly in a hijab. And this makes you sure that he kicked her out because of racism? you cant use that word loosely and easily accuse people of racism specially when there is zero evidence! your argument is based on assumptions witch means everything you say is invalid. People like you who use that word loosely are taking away the importance of that word. If im gonna act like you people, then saying Anti Semitism means hatred towards Jews is racist because all Muslims and Arabs are also semite. Thats microaggressions so your a racist too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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