What happened to this fanbase?

[giskardsb 12,565]

people fail to realize that she HAS to be successful to be remembered by generations as a legend  -  there is no fukcing escape from that, her music has to be relevant, on the radio, on the charts, everywhere

Why is it so important to pop fans that Gaga be considered a "legend"? And a pop legend in particular?    Is Liza Minnelli a "legend?"  The Grammys gave her the Grammy Legend award, so they think so... yet thats the only Grammy she has and she's never had even close to a #1 album or single.  

Gaga's career doesn't have to be, and won't entirely be, defined by Pop.   

Thankfully, Gaga sets her career direction, not pop stans.

[Whispering 18,865]

people fail to realize that she HAS to be successful to be remembered by generations as a legend  -  there is no fukcing escape from that, her music has to be relevant, on the radio, on the charts, everywhere

if she makes some highly artsy but indigestible music, people are not gonna listen to her and she'll fade away as some 2010 "has-been"

and, like you said, it's bussiness - nobody's gonna pay for her promotion if she doesn't bring the money in return - it is like a loan, with a very high interest rate, it's sad, but it's just like it is cause it's bussiness

 

faster you realize she can't really do "an-y-thing" she wants, faster you'll return down to earth BUT

she has her head screwed on - she really can compromise and have both music AND the bling - so let's not act like we can't have both - we had with TFM

so saying she should turn into some hipsterish act and start doing god-knows-what with her music cause only then she can be true artist is a BIG FUKCING NO NO

What if she doesn't want to take the path that you want her to be on? What if she wants to do jazz, some stipped back music or some "indigestible music" and pursue other interests outside of pop music for a while...or for forever. Why can't she be a different kind of legend? There are many paths to success, and Gaga may be completely happy where she is at now and may make the choice to pursue other worlds.

Sure, you can have both quality and success, but Gaga may not have the same expectation as you or some other fans do for what it means to be successful. You can't force an artist to do something, just because you have some expectation built up in your head! She can do anything that her label allows her to do, at least for the next two albums...then she can quit music all together or sing in bars if she wants to. 

Who knows what Gaga will do next or what will happen two, ten, twenty years from now. She will follow her artistic vision and then you will have a choice of whether to purchase her music or not. That's all the control you will ever have over any artist. Other than wondering if you will have a new album to buy...or not, why stress about it? 

[Phlop 4,773]

It was just one era that destroyed us tbh.

every era had a different climate. TF era we were all interested in her and her oddities. TFM she solidified her presence in culture and became huge and had the general public while being an enigmatic fashion icon. BTW era we got to know her more and the gp kinda jumped ship and we were bullied bullies on Twitter and a lot of 12-16 yr olds came out as queens. ARTPOP came and the teens found new idols and the gp wasn't there. 

[Brooke Hoegan 1,018]

Why is it so important to pop fans that Gaga be considered a "legend"? And a pop legend in particular?    Is Liza Minnelli a "legend?"  The Grammys gave her the Grammy Legend award, so they think so... yet thats the only Grammy she has and she's never had even close to a #1 album or single.  

Gaga's career doesn't have to be, and won't entirely be, defined by Pop.   

Thankfully, Gaga sets her career direction, not pop stans.

Never said she has to be defined by pop, I only stated that being successful really does count (also for Gaga personally, and stronger than you think)

What if she doesn't want to take the path that you want her to be on? What if she wants to do jazz, some stipped back music or some "indigestible music" and pursue other interests outside of pop music for a while...or for forever. Why can't she be a different kind of legend? There are many paths to success, and Gaga may be completely happy where she is at now and may make the choice to pursue other worlds.

Sure, you can have both quality and success, but Gaga may not have the same expectation as you or some other fans do for what it means to be successful. You can't force an artist to do something, just because you have some expectation built up in your head! She can do anything that her label allows her to do, at least for the next two albums...then she can quit music all together or sing in bars if she wants to. 

Who knows what Gaga will do next or what will happen two, ten, twenty years from now. She will follow her artistic vision and then you will have a choice of whether to purchase her music or not. That's all the control you will ever have over any artist. Other than wondering if you will have a new album to buy...or not, why stress about it? 

I mean, I really don't have to be 100% right about what I said, but neither do you

If you think that Gaga doesn't care to be considered a legend (of pop, music, whatever), then it means her convincing methods are really working and you are missing the big picture...

I guess the entire C2C era has nothing to do with damage control and she truly did it only because she loves/sings jazz since she's 13... 

it's good to realize that Gaga is not just pure-heart artist, she's also a businesswoman and she has a brand to promote and make money of it

and to sum it up nicely, I bet she'll really make sure she's on top next era and we shall see how she "doesn't care about success at all" ;)

[giskardsb 12,565]

I guess the entire C2C era has nothing to do with damage control and she truly did it only because she loves/sings jazz since she's 13... 

it's good to realize that Gaga is not just pure-heart artist, she's also a businesswoman and she has a brand to promote and make money of it

and to sum it up nicely, I bet she'll really make sure she's on top next era and we shall see how she "doesn't care about success at all" ;)

If I wanted to be a fan of a pop businesswoman who carefully manages her brand I'd go stan for Katy.  Her Forbes article makes it clear exactly where her motivations are.

Gaga on the other hand has proven numerous times to do things opposite of what the "best" approach would be for her "brand" and "product development."  Sure she wants success, but success, at least financial, is not her only motivation.  That doesn't mean she doesn't promote her work and try to sell as much of it as possible, but it's pretty clear she doesn't target that work specifically for success purposes.  If she did all her lyrics would be less "Gaga" and more generically palatable.

Your cynicism towards C2C is unfounded.  Everything about the era and Gaga's performances shows how much she loves that music and working with Tony.

 

[Brooke Hoegan 1,018]

If I wanted to be a fan of a pop businesswoman who carefully manages her brand I'd go stan for Katy.  Her Forbes article makes it clear exactly where her motivations are.

Gaga on the other hand has proven numerous times to do things opposite of what the "best" approach would be for her "brand" and "product development."  Sure she wants success, but success, at least financial, is not her only motivation.  That doesn't mean she doesn't promote her work and try to sell as much of it as possible, but it's pretty clear she doesn't target that work specifically for success purposes.  If she did all her lyrics would be less "Gaga" and more generically palatable.

Your cynicism towards C2C is unfounded.  Everything about the era and Gaga's performances shows how much she loves that music and working with Tony.

 

She does things differently than what would be the best approach for popstar's brand because her brand isn't being a typical popstar... she has to sell, like Katy, but she has to have an image of somebody's who's more than that as well to be perceived as a legendary persona.

That's why she's being invited to do the Oscars and to do those multiple collabs, and Katy is not. Because she has different approach to promote herself. Why do you think it has nothing to do with business and only with her being that great of an artist ?

And once again, for C2C. It's not that I'm cynical and don't believe she truly loves jazz. She surely is. But it so clearly is not the only reason she did that era. She had to convince people, who are bored of her and think she's the same as other pop girls, that she's much more than that so they have interest in her again and buy her music again. It's just as simple as that. If she couldn't sing jazz, she would be having that break till 2016 as well, to make some damage control. Speaking of which, AHS is another example of doing it (and of expanding her artistry as well ofc).

I am not saying she does it all just to sell herself and she isn't a true artist. In no way I'm saying it. In my opinion, the truth is (always) somewhere in between black and white and it's just healthy to notice it.

[LePetitGAGABLover 21,234]

I support ANYTHING she does except two things: 

1) The vomit performance

2) Another Jazz era

[ViviLittleM 3]

This fanbase is a big mess sometimes.

[VTV 12,833]

i dont understand the question

[Yves 1,891]

We're in tough times. I'll eat what she'll serve.

[Dominic 11,922]

There's no difference between those fans you refer to only wanting pop music and your demands of only wanting new experimental things. 

The real problem is why do we need to be categorised? It's all Gaga's work regardless. 

I'm also as a human being not going to like or appreciate everything she does just because I'm a fan. We are the ones that helped Gaga to be where she is at today so we deserve an opinion. 

Why do people also hop on this "music not the bling" story, Gaga cares about both and labels care about the bling, if we want good visuals and productions she needs the bling. It's a business. 

[Yanko 9,860]

same people getting butt-hurt over simple opinions  

[Brooke Hoegan 1,018]

There's no difference between those fans you refer to only wanting pop music and your demands of only wanting new experimental things. 

The real problem is why do we need to be categorised? It's all Gaga's work regardless. 

I'm also as a human being not going to like or appreciate everything she does just because I'm a fan. We are the ones that helped Gaga to be where she is at today so we deserve an opinion. 

Why do people also hop on this "music not the bling" story, Gaga cares about both and labels care about the bling, if we want good visuals and productions she needs the bling. It's a business. 

but people fail to realize she MUST sell, otherwise the label will cut short her stream of money and she'll have to struggle again... not mentioning she'll be forgotten if she disappears from charts/radios

somehow it's hard to understand for some people tho

[Barbados 1,004]

i think there's a reason little monsters are the one of the most disliked fanbases. No one outside of Gagadaily actually likes the ggd community atrl, fotp and other forums dont see this as a welcoming place. 

It's ironic that one of the most loving care free artists can have one of the meanest and demanding. 

 

Let's be honest, if gaga really did listen to LM's opinions, her career would be dead 

[xeynuraf 191]

there are all types of fans in here. i do agree that some are more interested in her success than her music. i think that when years pass by they will come to terms with the fact that they can love her music even if they are not chart toppers.

those carreer peak times are over and the more time passes it will confirm that and all they will have left is her music. it will take time but they will get there eventually.