Nicki Minaj vs. Taylor Swift drama, Katy Perry joins

[LoveandMagic 1,731]

I thought this escalated too far, and I don't know if Nicki was really being snubbed (I don't think she was, but who knows), however I can sort of see where she may, possibly, have been coming from. I'm reminded of this one discussion in my women's studies class about the portrayal of African American females by the media, particularly when it comes to audience and s-xuality. I could possibly see my former teacher arguing how Nicki's video, in an almost satirical but also very overt display of her s-xuality, might be viewed as "too much" or trashy by a certain set of the American viewing public, particularly white women, as well as her overall image and therefore may have had her video purposely snubbed. According to my teacher (and feel free to disagree) a woman like Beyonce, whose also very s-xy and curvy would find more acceptance due to her image and certain audience appeal then a Nicki. Because while both are curvy, s-xy AA women in music, Beyonce is married, has a more "low key" s-xuality, and makes a variety of music (R&B, Dance, Dance-hop, Soul, etc) that can have a much broader audience (as in white soccer moms and their teen daughters), as well as being allegedly devout and family oriented.This is opposed to Nicki, who is a Rapper with extremely aggressive, s-xualized, explicit lyrics; who also has an extremely overt, raw s-xuality, is unmarried (and brags about the good head/s-x she can give), and dresses very provocatively.And that's not to mention the different visual aspects (such as dress, video, etc). So I think my teacher would argue that (possibly) Anaconda was snubbed because it would be considered too controversial (as in white audiences don't want to award a happy black woman proudly showing off her "assets"). Feel totally free to disagree, but that's what came into my head when I saw the tweets. I know Nicki was talking about body shape at first, but body shape could also be a code for race.

But then again this is all solely speculation on my part. I also could see how Taylor could have seen (or mistake) her tweets for shade, and while she probably should have left it alone we all do out of character things in the heat of the moment. She obviously didn't want a fight or to ruin any possible good will between the artists, which is admirable, so she apologized, which Nicki accepted. So it's all good. It's just a shame it was taken so far. The power of a tweet.

[Phlop 4,773]

I want Taylor to win VOY now tbh just to see Nicki and Katy's meltdowns

[VenusBlackStar 1,301]

"Anaconda" got some nominations so I don't know why she can't be happy with those. If I were I'd be more PO'd about "Only" not getting any nominations because that video SLAYS.

[Riot Poof 2,236]

People aren't satisfied with Taylor's apology. 

I just knew it wouldn't be over after Taylor apologized.

When Nicki apologized for the "Only" lyric video, people were a lot nicer when criticizing her. (x) (x) AND NICKI ACTUALLY TRIED TO DEFLECT SOME OF THE BLAME OFF OF HER (despite saying she'd "take full responsibility if it has offended anyone") by saying that two people who worked on the Nazi-esque video were Jewish and that the art style was influenced by Sin City and Metalocalypse. 

Meanwhile, Taylor didn't try to justify her previous reply by saying something like "to be fair, your tweet did seem like a shot at my video." She was short, sweet, and to the point. She had the better apology, and yet these people are flat out saying that Taylor wasn't sincere at all with it. I honestly wouldn't expect anything less from a site that worships Nicki Minaj.

I'm sure there's a lot of Taylor worship to balance it out, but I'm not talking about that. Nor do I agree with celebrity worship in general.
 

[FGGrayson 9,670]

No matter what, the 50% who agreed Nick still will hate Taylor & see her as a fake b---h, while the other 50% that love Taylor will see her as the lovely sweetheart she plays to be, in the end they both play the victim & are messy, there was no winner, ppl who love to hate will hate, ppl who love to stan her fave still will do the same & the media will be the same, the race card & the victim card will still be played by those gurls

[Whispering 18,865]

I thought this escalated too far, and I don't know if Nicki was really being snubbed (I don't think she was, but who knows), however I can sort of see where she may, possibly, have been coming from. I'm reminded of this one discussion in my women's studies class about the portrayal of African American females by the media, particularly when it comes to audience and s-xuality. I could possibly see my former teacher arguing how Nicki's video, in an almost satirical but also very overt display of her s-xuality, might be viewed as "too much" or trashy by a certain set of the American viewing public, particularly white women, as well as her overall image and therefore may have had her video purposely snubbed. According to my teacher (and feel free to disagree) a woman like Beyonce, whose also very s-xy and curvy would find more acceptance due to her image and certain audience appeal then a Nicki. Because while both are curvy, s-xy AA women in music, Beyonce is married, has a more "low key" s-xuality, and makes a variety of music (R&B, Dance, Dance-hop, Soul, etc) that can have a much broader audience (as in white soccer moms and their teen daughters), as well as being allegedly devout and family oriented.This is opposed to Nicki, who is a Rapper with extremely aggressive, s-xualized, explicit lyrics; who also has an extremely overt, raw s-xuality, is unmarried (and brags about the good head/s-x she can give), and dresses very provocatively.And that's not to mention the different visual aspects (such as dress, video, etc). So I think my teacher would argue that (possibly) Anaconda was snubbed because it would be considered too controversial (as in white audiences don't want to award a happy black woman proudly showing off her "assets"). Feel totally free to disagree, but that's what came into my head when I saw the tweets. I know Nicki was talking about body shape at first, but body shape could also be a code for race.

This was my question from the first. Why was Nicki's argument about slim girls and then about race, when a curvy black woman was nominated in the category she thought she deserved to be in? Beyonce's nomination says that MTV was fine with having a curvy, half dressed black woman shaking her ass and doing s-xual dance moves in a video that was up for VOTY. MTV either didn't want an entire video about big dicks and 'look at my ass' nominated for their highest award or they just didn't want Nicki to be nominated in that category. 

This never was about MTV picking white skinny girls over Nicki, it was about picking Beyonce over Nicki. Nicki should have asked that question, instead of trying to make it about race, when 3/5 of the nominees are black. That's why pulling the race card was lame. Be smart and courageous enough to ask the real questions! 

[Redstreak 6,653]

People aren't satisfied with Taylor's apology. 

I just knew it wouldn't be over after Taylor apologized.

When Nicki apologized for the "Only" lyric video, people were a lot nicer when criticizing her. (x) (x) AND NICKI ACTUALLY TRIED TO DEFLECT SOME OF THE BLAME OFF OF HER (despite saying she'd "take full responsibility if it has offended anyone") by saying that two people who worked on the Nazi-esque video were Jewish and that the art style was influenced by Sin City and Metalocalypse. 

Meanwhile, Taylor didn't try to justify her previous reply by saying something like "to be fair, your tweet did seem like a shot at my video." She was short, sweet, and to the point. She had the better apology, and yet these people are flat out saying that Taylor wasn't sincere at all with it. I honestly wouldn't expect anything less from a site that worships Nicki Minaj.

I'm sure there's a lot of Taylor worship to balance it out, but I'm not talking about that. Nor do I agree with celebrity worship in general.
 

it's a tumblr post, hardly representative. :P most articles of the apology, when you read the comments actually think Taylor's apology makes her look mature. Plus even before the apology, comments were pretty split. Sure a lot of articles sided with Nicki, but the comments showed a far different actual public opinion

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

This was my question from the first. Why was Nicki's argument about slim girls and then about race, when a curvy black woman was nominated in the category she thought she deserved to be in? Beyonce's nomination says that MTV was fine with having a curvy, half dressed black woman shaking her ass and doing s-xual dance moves in a video that was up for VOTY. MTV either didn't want an entire video about big dicks and 'look at my ass' nominated for their highest award or they just didn't want Nicki to be nominated in that category. 

This never was about MTV picking white skinny girls over Nicki, it was about picking Beyonce over Nicki. Nicki should have asked that question, instead of trying to make it about race, when 3/5 of the nominees are black. That's why pulling the race card was lame. Be smart and courageous enough to ask the real questions! 

Well... Wrecking Ball literally won VOTY featuring a white skinny girl also doing generally "unkempt" or "controversial" things (and from a former america's sweetheart *gasp*) So thats where I think she was going with that side of things  

But even if it were a question of Beyonce vs Nicki (I think they nominated Beyonce for the reasons LoveandMagic OVER Nicki personally) its still an important discussion to be having about respectability politics in general... for both women and black women at an intersection. 

Beyonce can be as raunchy and "black" as she wants as long as she is polite about it and conforms to the cultural expections society has for women in general. As LoveandMagic pointed out, Beyonce is married, has a child, gives back via charity, and while occassionally going over and above, didn't "rock the boat" or make people uncomfortable with 7/11, where as Anaconda is brazen and proud and shows a woman confident in her s-xuality. Patriarchy tries to condemn women for owning up to their s-xuality, so its not surprising that they will take Beyonce who is more "playing by the rules" than Anaconda. Personally, I know many people agree with me that Beyonce's 7/11 nom is pretty random. It's a fun video, but neither the song nor video had any lasting impact or relevance in pop culture, while Anaconda did.

Thats just my two cents.

I think its an important discussion to have too...though maybe it goes from playing the "race card" to the "s-xism" card  (To be clear, im quoting these because saying that someone is "playing the *insert social category* is imo a cop-out; things are more likely to be about race or s-xism or whatever in the bigger picture than they are to be entirely unmotivated generally  I think the instances of people claiming "RACISM!" or "SEXISM" in such a public forum with no basis in either to it are less common than there being an actual connection. People will say "this wasn't about race" when they talk about Slavery for god's sake, or police brutality, or the murder of black people  

These are categories that are apparent and important in most every transaction that occurs in the public light. It's actually an act of privilege to NOT have your race or your gender be an important but "controversial" part of your every day life whenever something happens

 

[Eros92 2,528]

I also didn't realize that the Bad Blood video broke Vevo's 24-hour viewing record topping over Nicki's Anaconda video...  

[Whispering 18,865]

Well... Wrecking Ball literally won VOTY featuring a white skinny girl also doing generally "unkempt" or "controversial" things (and from a former america's sweetheart *gasp*) So thats where I think she was going with that side of things  

But even if it were a question of Beyonce vs Nicki (I think they nominated Beyonce for the reasons LoveandMagic OVER Nicki personally) its still an important discussion to be having about respectability politics in general... for both women and black women at an intersection. 

Beyonce can be as raunchy and "black" as she wants as long as she is polite about it and conforms to the cultural expections society has for women in general. As LoveandMagic pointed out, Beyonce is married, has a child, gives back via charity, and while occassionally going over and above, didn't "rock the boat" or make people uncomfortable with 7/11, where as Anaconda is brazen and proud and shows a woman confident in her s-xuality. Patriarchy tries to condemn women for owning up to their s-xuality, so its not surprising that they will take Beyonce who is more "playing by the rules" than Anaconda. Personally, I know many people agree with me that Beyonce's 7/11 nom is pretty random. It's a fun video, but neither the song nor video had any lasting impact or relevance in pop culture, while Anaconda did.

Thats just my two cents.

I think its an important discussion to have too...though maybe it goes from playing the "race card" to the "s-xism" card  (To be clear, im quoting these because saying that someone is "playing the *insert social category* is imo a cop-out; things are more likely to be about race or s-xism or whatever in the bigger picture than they are to be entirely unmotivated generally  I think the instances of people claiming "RACISM!" or "SEXISM" in such a public forum with no basis in either to it are less common than there being an actual connection. People will say "this wasn't about race" when they talk about Slavery for god's sake, or police brutality, or the murder of black people  

These are categories that are apparent and important in most every transaction that occurs in the public light. It's actually an act of privilege to NOT have your race or your gender be an important but "controversial" part of your every day life whenever something happens

 

Wrecking Ball had more content than ass shots and a lap dance. It was also a song that was a number one Pop hit and stayed high on BB for months. It wasn't just on Ellen or a viral video...it was everywhere. I still see references to it today and hear it being used in commercials. There is a difference in a video that has a couple of shock worthy moments in it and a video that's about ass from start to finish, representing a song about big dicks. The song had a high negative score on call out scores, because it was irritating to hear on radios, and ended up not doing well on Pop radio. All of that is probably why they didn't want to nominate this video...it was about attention getting ass shots from start to finish. While I don't care if Nicki wants to go completely naked for five minutes, there is a point where most people get tired of looking at her shake her bare ass. Maybe the average person simply didn't find that artistic or something that was groundbreaking? Anaconda was not comparable to Wrecking Ball, other than its views...and there have been several other songs over the past few years that have  had record breaking views for the year, that MTV has passed on nominating for the VOTY award.

Nicki played the race card, when she didn't get what she wanted. If she wants to come at someone or make it about something other than MTV thinking the video was too attention getting with an annoying song, she needs to question why Beyonce got a nomination. There isn't a racial issue here, when three of the last eight WINNERS of this award have been black women, Beyonce is nominated in this category this year with a dance video that shows off her curves and 3/5 of the nominees are black. 

 

[Yanko 9,860]

Nicki is currently performing on GMA and they asked her about the VMA situation

 

[Yanko 9,860]

ill post the video  soon 

nicki also said that tay and nicki might collab in the near future 

[Yanko 9,860]

 

 

 

 

[Yanko 9,860]

well reach 100 page im sure   

[Yanko 9,860]

i dont like how she thinks shes right in everything tho 

glad it's over and vma's got their promo