Diplo: Confused That Madonna Not Allowed to Be Sexy But Caitlyn Jenner is?

[Jjang 2,262]

Tbh I thought the whole era was geared to appeal to a younger audience? 

Idk, it just seems forced  

Like look at Hung Up, such a classy video it slays 

How is this video geared to appeal to a younger audience though? the double standards are shining with this post.

 

 

 

 

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

How is this video geared to appeal to a younger audience though? the double standards are shining with this post.

 

 

 

 

illuminati

 

 

[Jjang 2,262]

Well, I think I have some sort of explanation.

The last few months both Laverne Cox and Caitlyn getting major mainstream media coverage. That has never happened before. Transgenderism is now (finally) at the forefront of mainstream media and social discussion, especially in America. While it has always existed and things like the Transamerica movie with Felicity Huffman (2005) have somewhat made it a mainstream topic in the past, it is only now a big major social discussion and a "hot topic". With no disrespect and absolute love to both Caitlyn and Laverne, they both look as "conventionally beautiful women". Being transgender is obviously not "conventional" at all, they just physically look like "classy" women, Caitlyn being the classy lady in the "mature" category. When Madonna did the MET Gala red carpet a few months ago, her DailyMail comments were incredible. She was wearing a long, black dress that was s-xy but didn't show a lot of skin. Comments included "Never seen Madonna look this good in years!" "I usually don't care for her but she looks gorgeous". The DailyMail later that day updated that same article with Madonna's different outfit for the MET after parties. She changed into quilted hot pants, high top sneakers, a cleavage displaying top and took along her daughter. Comments changed to "Ugh, old and desperate", "What an embarrassing mother" and "Trying too hard." 

She's not conveying to the social standard of being "typically s-xy". Madonna doesn't look like Sharon Stone or Jessica Lange, they are conventionally "beautiful women". While I personally think Madonna is and has always been an absolute beauty, she doesn't come off like that unless she tries by, for instance, covering up in a not "try hard" long black Moschino dress. 

Madonna's s-xuality has always been hers. She has always owned it and been unapologetic about it from the get-go. It (unconsciously) scares people. I always explain it like this: there's a difference between "***cat Doll Sexy" and "Madonna Sexy". The ***cat Dolls are "typically" hot, scanitly clad women who live up to the chauvinistic expectations we have of a "hot female". Madonna is not. Hers is bold, hers and not considered "mainstream s-xy". But that's nothing new, that's Madonna's entire career. She'll be remembered for that. While some of you might not see it right now, this fase into Madonna's career is just another feat on her already impossibly long resume. She has tackled every social issue that has ever existed now that she's fighting ageism I think. What Madonna has done for human rights, for feminism, against racism, for the LGBT community, for the stigma around AIDS... Most of you don't have a clue of the impact she has had. Nowadays you can choose from an entire bunch of liberal, creative women in pop music. When Madonna did what she did, she was the only one. That is why she's considered "The Queen" and the mother to all female popstars with an edge. Madonna's social impact is the largest out of any career in pop, ever. She has never compromised, she's neven been "conventional". She's not going to start now. 15 years from now, a lot of people will be like "damn, that b*tch was right". Just like the SEX Book is now praised, just as Erotica is now considered a cult classic. Madonna might look like she's trying really hard to be "on trend" with Diplo productions and pink hair extensions but socially she is way ahead and always have been.

Haters will deal and stray pressed. Bookmark this post, I tell you, 15/20 years from now she'll be hailed for being such a game changer and social pusher.



P.S. While being a transgendered woman obviously isn't "new thing", it is for the first time into the big, big media. Laverne and Caitlyn like I said, I consider beautiful woman by the social standard our society has. It'll be interesting to see more diversity under trans-women over time. Someone with a very off-beat clothing style or hairdo for instance.

Finally, someone that gets it. This post is golden.   Agreed 100%.

 

 

[Emvee 8,411]

Yes, the concept of a gay man having a say on whether a woman is s-xually appealing to him or not is rather skeptic & obviously I wouldn't have addressed these comments in that manner if they weren't so cynical and obnoxious in the first place.

Youre gonna have to deal with that for your whole life then, because regardless of whether the subject is a man, a woman, or a transgender woman... we are all going to have an opinion about physical attractiveness. They may not align, but don't try to hide the fact that we all have them and NOBODY has the power to stop anyone from expressing their opinion.  

[Judas Oyster 1,915]

 

Off topic: Do you see the contradiction? Peace is the missing while saying "white people suck" how nice :P

[jojuun 4,159]

Tbh I thought the whole era was geared to appeal to a younger audience? 

Idk, it just seems forced  

Like look at Hung Up, such a classy video it slays 

When Hung Up came out, people said the same sh*t they talk right now. I remember shock everywhere that she was wearing that pink leotard. This was after Ray of Light, Music and American Life, the mainstream public didn't expect her to go back to dance and provocation.

In the end, b---h, she's Madonna. Most successful and highest selling female artist of all time. Haters can remain pressed. 

LEGEND.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

When Hung Up came out, people said the same sh*t they talk right now. I remember shock everywhere that she was wearing that pink leotard. This was after Ray of Light, Music and American Life, the mainstream public didn't expect her to go back to dance and provocation.
In the end, b---h, she's Madonna. Most successful and highest selling female artist of all time. Haters can remain pressed. 

LEGEND.

That's surprising because when Hung Up came out you could tell she had aged but she still looked amazing, it was a flawless video. 

[Jjang 2,262]

Youre gonna have to deal with that for your whole life then, because regardless of whether the subject is a man, a woman, or a transgender woman... we are all going to have an opinion about physical attractiveness. They may not align, but don't try to hide the fact that we all have them and NOBODY has the power to stop anyone from expressing their opinion.  

"obviously I wouldn't have addressed these comments in that manner if they weren't so cynical and obnoxious in the first place."

 

[Versace 7,972]

At least Caitlyn never had the opportunity to be s-xy , she should , we all should.

Madonna on the other hand has overused Sex drive way too much that now sadly I feel her career defining moments such as Like A Prayer and Ray Of Light will be overshadowed by the overused Sex-appeal/drive/push emphasis and let's not forget about the SEX book. Heck even Rebel Heart her latest album has a track called "SEX" not that I don't like the way Madonna incorporates Sex but it's just gotten to a point where it's all too much and disturbing especially from soon 57 Year old.  

Caitlyn is classy , Madonna is horny .

[Jjang 2,262]

At least Caitlyn never had the opportunity to be s-xy , she should , we all should.

Madonna on the other hand has overused Sex drive way too much that now sadly I feel her career defining moments such as Like A Prayer and Ray Of Light will be overshadowed by the overused Sex-appeal/drive/push emphasis and let's not forget about the SEX book. Heck even Rebel Heart her latest album has a track called "SEX" not that I don't like the way Madonna incorporates Sex but it's just gotten to a point where it's all too much and disturbing especially from soon 57 Year old.  

Caitlyn is classy , Madonna is horny .

 

 

 

 

[jojuun 4,159]

At least Caitlyn never had the opportunity to be s-xy , she should , we all should.

Madonna on the other hand has overused Sex drive way too much that now sadly I feel her career defining moments such as Like A Prayer and Ray Of Light will be overshadowed by the overused Sex-appeal/drive/push emphasis and let's not forget about the SEX book. Heck even Rebel Heart her latest album has a track called "SEX" not that I don't like the way Madonna incorporates Sex but it's just gotten to a point where it's all too much and disturbing especially from soon 57 Year old.  

Caitlyn is classy , Madonna is horny .

EXACTLY! It is not going to "take away" from her other work. Remember when Jonathan Ross asked Gaga if she thought her crazy outfits would "take away" from her music? That is such a patronising and ridiculous way of thinking! No it isn't taking away from it. It adds to it. Why can't she be AND mature, philosophical, a mother, a philanthropist and a 56 year old woman dating younger men? Does that diminish her accomplishments as an artist, as a mother, as a human being? It doesn't in actuality. It just does in your head because society has learned you that you can be s-xy at a certain age, just not "too s-xy". Madonna said f*ck you, you can keep it and does her own thing. Like she always does and yes, like a true self prophecy she said in 1992 that she'd be doing this. Because it is ridiculous. I hope she goes on tour with an army of naked men at the age of 85. F*ck social standards. 

[Versace 7,972]

 

 

 

 

YES I agree with her tbh but the thing is I want more Ghosttown and less Bitch I'm Madonna but it's just the overuse that bothers me not the use itself. I mean ok if we can have an album full of Ghosttown like songs and then a song or two with s-x incorporation I wouldn't mind. It's just that I live for Classydonna more than Bitchdonna. Madonna can do this even though her last 3 albums have had a lot of s-x incorporation mainly involved around the them we still get songs like masterpiece , falling free, Ghosttown , Joan Of Arc.

[Jjang 2,262]

EXACTLY! It is not going to "take away" from her other work. Remember when Jonathan Ross asked Gaga if she thought her crazy outfits would "take away" from her music? It is such a patronising and ridiculous way of thought. No it isn't taking away from it. It adds to it. Why can't she be AND mature, philosophical, a mother, a philanthropist and a 56 year old woman dating younger men? Does that diminish her accomplishments as an artist, as a mother, as a human being? It doesn't in actuality. It just does in your head because society has learned you that you can be s-xy at a certain age, just not "too s-xy". Madonna said f*ck you, you can keep it and does her own thing. Like she always does and yes, like a true self prophecy she said in 1992 that she'd be doing this. Because it is ridiculous. I hope she goes on tour with an army of naked men at the age of 85. F*ck social standards. 

Agreed.

Its crazy to think that a generation has passed and yet society is still so intensely challenged by Madonna's manipulative & provocative approach to social taboos and standards, some may see it as form of destruction to her legacy, but they cannot see the bigger picture here, its an obvious extension to her legacy. And 20 years from now when it becomes a norm or at least more socially accepted people will be thankful for her.

[jojuun 4,159]

Agreed.

Its crazy to think that a generation has passed and yet society is still so intensely challenged by Madonna's manipulative & provocative approach to social taboos and standards, some may see it as form of destruction to her legacy, but they cannot see the bigger picture here, its an obvious extension to her legacy and 20 years from now when it becomes a norm people will be thankful for it.

That's Madonna for ya. A true gangster and taboo breaker. Even Tupac said it...

[gagaisitalian 3,573]

Diplo is so dumb