Quark 7,089 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Don't pull that BS on me, If you haven't a got better argument than "Because Cascada said so" to back up your statement then don't argue at all.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_dance_music*Madonna's 1998 album Ray of Light, considered EDM by contemporary critics, is credited with bringing the genre into the mainstream.*Kylie Minogue and Björk deserve an honorable mention as well.Being a contributor to a genre's revival after a few years of it being non commercially dominant is not the same as bringing it to the mainstream. That's like saying Madonna's Vogue essentially brought house music to the mainstream, which is false. Well, I meant the revival of dance electronic music. And like I already told you before, I know there were several mainstream electronic hits before Gaga, but the true big wave did not start until around 2009 with Gaga ( at least in the U.S.). Also, djs and artists crediting Gaga is a valid argument since they know exactly what is going on in the music scene.DJ Tommy Sunshine from MTV:Anybody that is in South Beach right now that discredits Lady Gaga for what she has done for electronic music is out of their mind,” Sunshine said. “I mean [Gaga producer] Red One and Space Cowboy and her, in collaboration, have done so much for making dance music mainstream. I’m sorry, but there wouldn’t be a David Guetta top 10 hit … there wouldn’t be this Black Eyed Peas record, if it wasn’t for The Fame. The influence of that record is epic, and we are hearing talking about all of this because of that.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 58,887 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 None of them are as good as Do What U Want honestly. They still sound like basic pop tracks to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Well, I meant the revival of dance electronic music. And like I already told you before, I know there were several mainstream electronic hits before Gaga, but the true big wave did not start until around 2009 with Gaga ( at least in the U.S.). Also, djs and artists crediting Gaga is a valid argument since they know exactly what is going on in the music scene.DJ Tommy Sunshine from MTV:Anybody that is in South Beach right now that discredits Lady Gaga for what she has done for electronic music is out of their mind,” Sunshine said. “I mean [Gaga producer] Red One and Space Cowboy and her, in collaboration, have done so much for making dance music mainstream. I’m sorry, but there wouldn’t be a David Guetta top 10 hit … there wouldn’t be this Black Eyed Peas record, if it wasn’t for The Fame. The influence of that record is epic, and we are hearing talking about all of this because of that.”Its not a significant wave if it only lasted a year or so, ever since then the dance music soundscape had been suffering from a commercial death. The electronic dance music craze is a recurring phenomena that we've all witnessed throughout the years, before and after Gaga. Genuinely believing that Gaga is its' essential factor is straight up delusional. Do you even listen to anything beside high profile top 40 releases?A lasting impact doesn't have a time span, its so funny how you address today's music era as if its still the same since 2009.I don't care about that over exaggerated quote, I could quote a bunch of music critics / DJ's / artists as well to debunk that point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I believe what you're hinting is that if the electronic dance music trend ever gets revived (which it will), we should originally be thankful to Gaga for it. Which is total BS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo 327 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 If we are REALLY talking about who started this trend then I am going to have to go with Drizzy. Even though there's no guitar bass in it, it's still influenced form 80s R&B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Gaga didn't make electronic music mainstream. LMH & Style are driven by guitar synthesizers, DWUW is not.Gaga and the Black Eyed Peas did made electronic dance music mainstream in 2009-2010 because after their success other artists started to release electronic dance songs. Lots of artist have released electronic dance music before (for example Madonna with Ray Of Light and Britney with Blackout) but it didn't became a trend until Gaga and the BEP released their EDM inspired pop albums. Also LMH is not driven by a guitar synthesizer, Style is but LMH is the only song from the mentioned which has the same 8 bars synthesizer like DWUW./ON TOPIC: Hold On We're Going Home was first. I believe it was the first one and I don't think it follows the success of any other song. Get Lucky was disco-funk and Blurred Lines was R&B-Funk. None of them have this sound. This sound is Synth Pop mixed with R&B.Hold On We're Going Home -> Do What U Want -> Love Me Harder -> Jealous -> Style Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo 327 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Sorry but to say that Gaga didn't bring on the rise of Electronic music prominence after Just Dance is just insane. Legit most of the music out before JD was R&B/Hip-Hop/ (and that occasional bop pop song) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,089 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Its not a significant wave if it only lasted a year or so, ever since then the dance music soundscape had been suffering from a commercial death. The electronic dance music craze is a recurring phenomena that we've all witnessed throughout the years, before and after Gaga. Genuinely believing that Gaga is its' essential factor is straight up delusional. Do you even listen to anything beside high profile top 40 releases?A lasting impact doesn't have a time span, its so funny how you address today's music era as if its still the same since 2009.I don't care about that over exaggerated quote, I could quote a bunch of music critics / DJ's / artists as well to debunk that point. Do you even know what EDM is? Gaga started with electronic dance pop, which is a branch of EDM. Therefore, is was only natural that mainstream EDM was going to continue exploring some of its other genres like dubstep and house. So technicality Gaga's impact was not a one year thing. In fact, dance music won't "come back" because it is still here in the form of electronic trap music (which is also a branch of EDM). Now these EDM genres were obviously not a direct influence of Gaga, but they were certainly a natural evolution of the acceptance of dance electronic music that Gaga DID bring to true mainstream acceptance, at least in the U.S. Also I find it funny how you don't care about the credit that other artists/musicians give to Gaga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,089 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Gaga and the Black Eyed Peas did made electronic dance music mainstream in 2009-2010 because after their success other artists started to release electronic dance songs. Lots of artist have released electronic dance music before (for example Madonna with Ray Of Light and Britney with Blackout) but it didn't became a trend until Gaga and the BEP released their EDM inspired pop albums. Also LMH is not driven by a guitar synthesizer, Style is but LMH is the only song from the mentioned which has the same 8 bars synthesizer like DWUW./ON TOPIC: Hold On We're Going Home was first. I believe it was the first one and I don't think it follows the success of any other song. Get Lucky was disco-funk and Blurred Lines was R&B-Funk. None of them have this sound. This sound is Synth Pop mixed with R&B.Hold On We're Going Home -> Do What U Want -> Love Me Harder -> Jealous -> Style I am only refering to the 80ish synth/baseline that DWUW has, and not a pop/R&B hybrid. For example, style is not R&B at all but it does have that DWUW synth I am talking about. Drake's song doesn't have this type of synth that many songs have now, but that DWUW did have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Does anyone even ****ing know about DWUW? Who's gonna listen to a Lady Gaga album to look for the next new sound? There is nothing new, interesting or creative about that DWUW synth bassline you've been plugging and many artists (or should I say producers) can have the same idea to take an 80's sounding synth and put it on the radio becuase that has been done for the last decades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDAR 25 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 QUEEN GAGA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mee 381 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 If DWYW would become the first single, with a great video and without R.Kelly. Then ARTPOP era would have been very different. And DWYW would become a very successful song, i'm sure it woud be now one of her biggest songs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Do you even know what EDM is? Gaga started with electronic dance pop, which is a branch of EDM. Therefore, is was only natural that mainstream EDM was going to continue exploring some of its other genres like dubstep and house. So technical Gaga's impact was not a one year thing. In fact, dance music won't "come back" because it is still here in the form of electronic trap music (which is also a branch of EDM). Now these EDM genres werewere obviously not a direct influence of Gaga, but they were certainly a natural evolution of the acceptance of dance electronic music that Gaga DID bring to true mainstream acceptance, at least in the U.S. Also I find it funny how you don't care about the credit that other artists/musiciansmusicians give to Gaga. House / Disco music was dominant already in the 90's, its not a stretch of modern EDM.Its known on a music industry standard that Ray of Light brought EDM to its true mainstream acceptance to begin with, it was not embraced before that album was released. And yes, I will continue addressing this point until you acknowledge it. Its more logical to assume that whatever branched afterwards is a result of Madonna's original approach then, not Gaga's. Yet still ; EDM in all of its forms has been experiencing a social / commercial death.Here's a few hits that fit under this category (before Gaga) :Music - MadonnaAmerican Pie - MadonnaHung Up - Madonna Womanizer - Britney SpearsCan't Get You Out of My Head - Kylie MinogueFinally - Kings of Tomorrow feat. Julie McKnightToxic - Britney Spears Ray of Light - MadonnaFrozen - MadonnaNothing Really Matters - MadonnaWhen I Grow Up - ***cat DollsPaper Planes - MIACloser - Ne yoI'm a Slave 4 U - Britney SpearsGimme Gimme - Britney SpearsFergalicious - Fergie With Love - Hilary DuffKnock You Down - Keri HilsonPiece Of Me - Britney SpearsLove Don't Cost A Thing - Jennifer LopezAmerican Life - Madonna The Way I Are - TimbalandGive It To Me - TimbalandStronger - Kanye WestGet the Party Started - P!nkSummer Love - Justin TimberlakeHollywood - MadonnaDisturbia - RihannaBeautiful Stranger - Madonna Everytime We Touch - CascadaS.O.S - RihannaYeah! - UsherButtons - ***cat DollsGet Right - Jennifer LopezManeater - Nelly FurtadoDo it - Nelly FurtadoMe Against The Music - Britney Spears feat. MadonnaHouse of Jealous Lovers - The RaptureDon't Phunk with My Heart - Black Eyed PeaseRock This Party (Everybody Dance Now) - Bob Sinclar & Cutee BDon't Cha - ***cat Dolls feat. Busta RhymesHollaback Girl - Gwen StefaniWind It Up - Gwen StefaniRich Girl - Gwen Stefani4 Minutes - Madonna --------------I'm sick of naming songs, I'll name albums now :Ray of Light - MadonnaMusic - MadonnaAmerican Life - MadonnaConfessions on A Dancefloor - Madonna808s & Heartbreak - Kanye WestIn The Zone - Britney SpearsBlackout - Britney SpearsCircus - Britney SpearsImpossible Princess - Kylie MinogueLight Years - Kylie Minogue Fever - Kylie Minogue X - Kylie Minogue Loose - Nelly FurtadoDignity - Hilary Duff Christina Aguilera - Christina AguileraHomogenic - BJÖRKDiscovery - Daft PunkFutureSex/LoveSounds - Justin Timberlake-------------------Conclusion : The supposed EDM / pop dance music evolution you're talking about started years before Gaga even became Gaga. The one who essentially made it musically accepted on a mainstream level was Madonna with Ray of Light - as she's credited everywhere for it. Just because Gaga rose to fame at a time when EDM was being furtherly more embraced doesn't mean she's the one to credit.'I was just one of a few artists at a certain sort of time in radio where more dance music was being played on top 40,' she tells MTV News. - Gaga herself in 2011. Are you going to say Gaga is incorrect as well? EDM was constantly being built up and broken down throughout the decades. But the ones who brought it to the mainstream were already noted and credited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serendipity 7,821 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 If DWYW would become the first single, with a great video and without R.Kelly. Then ARTPOP era would have been very different. And DWYW would become a very successful song, i'm sure it woud be now one of her biggest songs.TrueShould've been the lead from the very startI'm 100% sure it could've debuted at #1 and beaten Roar See talent here-->http://bit.ly/2eqeUxK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaanBTW 5,244 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I've been thinking about this for a while. idk if DWYW started it, but it definitely was one of the starting ones.Jealous, Nick JonasStyle, Taylor SwiftLove Me Harder, Ariana Grande+ This Summer's Gonna Hurt Like A Motherf*cker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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