The Do What U Want Effect?

[Miel 15,009]

I think Gaga doesn't really set trends, she just knows music and can recognize certain patterns. By a--lyzing music history and recent music, a good artist can tell what the audience will be craving next. Thus, Gaga probably just notices trends before they become "hot", rather than that she invents them.

Same thing with EDM. It was already there, and it probably would've happened without her, but she was just one of the first ones to adopt it so fully in the mainstream market.

​Definitely, which is what made her so successful, along with her spinning it with her own twist.

[Quark 7,089]

 

There's no such thing as an explosion of a specific musical genre after the success of a solitary effort. That's the most narrow minded way of thinking out there, its rather an ongoing continuous process. All of the songs mentioned represent a spark of the dance pop trend, which already took place and was solidified before Gaga (or at least was bound to).

By the way...

this type of sound seems to be one of the big trends.

-You after one and a half songs used a similar synth to DWUW's.

Yet you claim that the 50 hit dance tracks that I've provided you are isolated hits that are not linked to one another in any way, shape or form. If that's not bias then I don't know what is. 

There are about 5 songs that right now that have that synth. The trend is just starting. By the way I never said that DWUW was the in fact the actual influence, just that there is a possibility that it may have influenced these songs. In your case, you are saying that EDM was already accepted by the masses because of those 50 songs, but if that was the case, how come not everyone followed? Why was the dominant genre still Hip Hop? 

[Quark 7,089]

I think Gaga doesn't really set trends, she just knows music and can recognize certain patterns. By a--lyzing music history and recent music, a good artist can tell what the audience will be craving next. Thus, Gaga probably just notices trends before they become "hot", rather than that she invents them.

Same thing with EDM. It was already there, and it probably would've happened without her, but she was just one of the first ones to adopt it so fully in the mainstream market.

Sorry, quoted you accidentally.

[Quark 7,089]

EDM didn't explode because of Poker Face or something, it didn't have to explode or dominate anything because it was already there for years, monster hits had been made, entire dance-pop albums had smashed the charts, electronic music was everywhere and there was nothing ****ing revolutionary or even remarkable about the music Ke$ha, Rihanna, Gaga and Katy were making as if they represented some major break in pop music starting from 2008. All those songs you claim were new and paved the way towards EDM acceptance sounded like run-of-the-mill pop songs and we all know it. Gaga's freshness was because of her reliance on synthpop elements (which did not start a trend in pop music - in fact, I'd say it was Rihanna's and Katy's emphasis on electropop and house music that started an actual pop trend). It were the club-oriented EDM genres that really made a splash and "exploded" on the scene. The pop artists just picked bits and pieces to sound up to date.

There wasn't even any dominance of EDM on the charts, easily proven by the fact that from 2008 onwards there were massive success singles in other genres, particularly pop rock, R&B, soul and hip-hop (which you claimed disappeared after Gaga came on the scene). Like I already argued in another thread: the dance-pop trend stopped after 2009. When you look at the best-selling singles after 2009 you'll find a minority of EDM there, in fact there's a lot more R&B and hip hop there. Album-wise EDM doesn't dominate at all. All the best-selling albums of every year are either hip hop or something else. None of the highest selling albums after 2008 is anywhere near EDM. So explain exactly where you see this dominance at all.

Specific example using United States sales: of all the singles released after Poker Face that went on to sell more, there are three EDM tracks, compared to five tracks in other genres (hip hop, rock, R&B, soul and indie pop). Same story is visible when we look at lesser selling tracks. Pop rock songs outsold most of Katy's most popular singles. Talking about Rihanna: her best selling single in the U.S. post-2008 is a hip hop collaboration. A 2009 hip hop track outsold Bad Romance. After 2009 EDM clearly fails to establish a dominance compared to other genres. It's true that there are a lot of popular EDM singles, but they swim amongst success singles of other genres so there's nothing truly remarkable about that.

So where exactly did you get this whole post-Gaga EDM dominance idea from? Other genres seem to do equally great, in fact, they go on to sell more than EDM singles in the U.S. where you claimed Gaga's impact was most palpable.

By " dominance" I mean that EDM was massively accepted. Never before, at least in the U.S., had there been so much emphasis on EDM on mainstream radio and on the charts. Before Gaga, there were constant dance hits but like I said they happened sporadically, after Gaga, her TF and TFM impacted the music industry so much that EDM was no longer sporadic but rather something very common and popular.

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​i was just about to say. do what u want and fashion! sound the way they do because of the trends that blew up in 2013 lets be real here. i remember turning the radio to a station and thought i was hearing hold on, or at least a song like it, little did i know it was r kellys verse to do what you want. 

[VasilisVas 5,134]

wasn't this same exact topic discussed about 2 weeks ago?

[Muh 144]

She was ahead of her time as usual tbh

 

DWUW ha impact  the smash hit that never was 

[Nein 508]

Vote for your fave here (Jealous/Style/Love Me Harder)

[Ethan 2,051]

this thread gets made once a week

[Head Empty 25,000]

There are about 5 songs that right now that have that synth. The trend is just starting. By the way I never said that DWUW was the in fact the actual influence, just that there is a possibility that it may have influenced these songs. In your case, you are saying that EDM was already accepted by the masses because of those 50 songs, but if that was the case, how come not everyone followed? Why was the dominant genre still Hip Hop? 

I didnt say EDM was already accepted, I merely said that it was already invented. Gaga was merely an early adopter in mainstream music, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't have had its rise without her.

Music works in waves, and can be somewhat predictable. Similarly it was easy to predict that authentic, natural sounds would become popular now, since the audience has been flooded with electronic sounds for so long. Gaga has a good ear for these things, so she catches trends before they're 'hot' and thus manages to 'pioneer' them in the mass market. 

[Didymus 34,379]

By " dominance" I mean that EDM was massively accepted. Never before, at least in the U.S., had there been so much emphasis on EDM on mainstream radio and on the charts. Before Gaga, there were constant dance hits but like I said they happened sporadically, after Gaga, her TF and TFM impacted the music industry so much that EDM was no longer sporadic but rather something very common and popular.

​"Or else how to you explain EDM domination all over the charts and radio from 2009 to 2012."

"Plus it is quite obvious that everyone followed with the EDM sound after Gaga."

"No one had the impact that Gaga had on EDM mainstream acceptance, because after Gaga, at least in the U.S, music switched from Hip Hop, pop rock, to electronic dance. Why is this so hard to understand?"

"What I mean is the electronic dance replaced hip hop and pop rock as the popular genres in the U.S."

"The explosion of dance pop truly happened after Gaga."

I debunked all these points. But I enjoy seeing you backtrack now.

[Jjang 2,262]

There are about 5 songs that right now that have that synth. The trend is just starting. By the way I never said that DWUW was the in fact the actual influence, just that there is a possibility that it may have influenced these songs. In your case, you are saying that EDM was already accepted by the masses because of those 50 songs, but if that was the case, how come not everyone followed? Why was the dominant genre still Hip Hop? 

​Where are they? because Style uses a very light guitar synthesizer while DWUW samples a rough throbbing 80's sounding synths. Love Me Harder is inspired by The Weeknd's music and even so, the only thing it has in common with DWUW is its' repetitive beat in the chorus, which many songs share. However, the only noticeable similarity between all of these other songs is their mid - tempo & identical bassline. And if that by any means is a trend, then Drake's the artist to credit. Bottom line is : there are no 5 songs, the only song that resembles DWUW is LMH. Your bias is showing again, remember how hard you tried to dismiss Dark Horses' 'impact'? yet a case of one song having a familiar beat to DWUW and you're already running to call it the next big trend to add up to your self invented Gaga accomplishments.

The dominant genre wasn't Hip Hop to begin with, Low is a catchy, up - tempo and club oriented song. Lollipop was Electropop as well. Have you ever properly listened to a Hip Hop album? ironically enough, the top selling albums of 2009 - 2010 were mostly non EDM records. I thought EDM made every other genre commercially subpar, though? could it be that you're wrong?

To summarize my opinion about all of this : Gaga debuted precisely at a time when Electronic dance music was being furthermore embraced on a mainstream level and therefor rode this electronic wave just as much as everyone else did. However, I don't deny the fact that she, along with many other artists, solidified this genre and brought more attention to it, but that's far from the 'impact' you claim she had.

Do I find any of this impressive? no, not at all. Impressive to me are artists like Madonna, björk and Kylie Minogue who introduced these sounds to the mainstream and were experimenting with EDM before anyone else in the pop market. And for the record, their work still sounds more innovative and fresh than anything released post 2008. 

[Yanko 9,860]

 Your bias is showing again, remember how hard you tried to dismiss Dark Horses' 'impact'? yet a case of one song having a familiar beat to DWUW and you're already running to call it the next big trend to add up to your self invented Gaga accomplishments.

The dominant genre wasn't Hip Hop to begin with, Low is a catchy, up - tempo and club oriented song. Lollipop was Electropop as well. Have you ever properly listened to a Hip Hop album? ironically enough, the top selling albums of 2009 - 2010 were mostly non EDM records. I thought EDM made every other genre commercially subpar, though? could it be that you're wrong?

 

​all of this is true 

 

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What's next? "Cake Like Lady Gaga and Jewels N' Drugs are responsible for all the attention hip-hop is getting"?

[GawdGa 1,399]

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