Sara 1,128 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 yes yes I agree with what the OP and with ur post BUT this is like the 4th thread about that in the last week ..... just let those who are worried about Gaga's career worry it's their deal If we've had 4 threads like this one telling people to stop worrying, then we've had 40 threads about people worrying. So why not have 36 more threads like this one just for balance? I'm exaggerating, but really if I started putting counters on all the dead-horse threads, I'd have to close half the forum. :hehe: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wet Fire 7,497 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Tbqh I am also cocerned about Gaga's success, but just a little bit. But anything by Lady Gaga that 'flops' can take away my love, admiration and respect for her. For me, if an artist keeps making standard music even if she 'flops' it's not a big deal for me, because I know it's good. Just like with ARTPOP album and G.U.Y. music video. Both were amazing but people call them 'flop'. But it doesn't affect my point of view cause I've enjoyed the album to my heart's content and G.U.Y. is one of my absolutely favourite music videos - all this because of their quality, not success. But I still want Gaga to be successful. I know quality =/= success. But I am a well-wishr of Gaga and want her to be successful and this wish comes from a genuine love and respect. But still if she 'flops' for the rest of her career, there's no way I'll stop stanning for her because she is my #1 for eternity and she is the most talented and inspiring person for me!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bt1 5,213 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I totally agree..Monsters act like ARTPOP sold 500k. It sold 2,5 ****ing million.That's great.No reason to be worried Thats really close with how much Born this way sold in the first week. If you think that there isnt a problem somewhere, thats your problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,093 Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 She deserves better? Anyway, your points arent too strong. Another *succesfull* album like ARTPOP and she wont be able to tour like she did in the past. Even with this tour, there were some dates where she was cleary struggling. We have some arena dates that had box offices similar to a theathre date and stadium dates who have box offices similar to arena dates. Fans are also concerned, because we have ARTPOP era, that was so promising and that in the end delivered 2 videos. Succes is need it to make art in a way. I mean, I really think you are exaggerating the state of Gaga's career right now. Another album that sells upwards of 2 million records should be enough for a decent world tour. She is still able to book high profile television slots to perform and is still able to travel the world on a world tour. Her last tour broke streaming records on Yahoo! That isn't some small feat, she shouldn't really have that much trouble touring, her last tour still raked in quite a lot of money. I mean, if we really need to compare, ARTrave did better than the California Dreams tour and Katy seems to be doing all right at the moment. Gaga is wealthy af and has a very large fanbase. All this worrying is really quite insane. Her career is fine and she is doing well atm so I don't see the point in worrying so much, just enjoy what we have right now. If that ends in 5-10 years then it will be upsetting, but I'll have at least 5 eras of fond memories where I wasn't bogged down and distracted by all this negativity. I'm just trying to encourage people to appreciate what we have while it lasts. I'm sure it will last a very long time, but if it doesn't then at least it was a great ride and Gaga is well enough to support herself and her future endeavours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Thats really close with how much Born this way sold in the first week. If you think that there isnt a problem somewhere, thats your problem. You have no freaking idea what you are talking about 1)Born this way sold that much because of the 99 cents thing 2)When born this way came out it was 2011 and when ARTPOP came out it was 2013..The album sales REALLY declined for everyone in these 2 years.. 3)ARTPOP had only 2 videos and the promo was only good for Applause which became a big hit.. So for that messy promo 2,5m is really good..The other "relevant" artists like Ariana Grande,Miley Cyrus etc. sold LESS than Gaga. So seriously there aren't any problems Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XoXoJoanneGaga 629 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I could understand if Gaga was selling so low that she couldn't tour, I would be disappointed that I couldn't see her live, but that isn't the case at all. The Artrave was very low-grossing compared to the Monster Ball and BTWB, there's a major decline there as well. I think fans are concerned because they have the foresight to see that if her success levels keep dropping then it won't be long before she's not even a pop star anymore and she can no longer play arenas around the world. If Gaga can't find success in the pop realm with her next record then she's likely to just stop trying altogether. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uo111 5,261 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I only want her to be successful because she deserves it and I want her to be happy. But that is quite different from what you are talking about isn't it? Some people need the validation because they have nothing else going on in their lives. The also have no sense of comparison because Gaga is the only thing they have ever known, and they don't have the maturity to seek new knowledge and apply that knowledge to current situations. Some of them will grow out of it, but you aren't going to change their minds by pointing out how ridiculous it is. They are teenagers, after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haroon 49,685 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Like I get wanting Gaga to succeed amazingly with every project and venture, because why wouldn't a fan want her to succeed? I think it boils down to the minority who treat the pop star success thing as a sport/game, where they're betting on Gaga as a horse to win a race, and if she doesn't then they've lost bragging rights But why should there be bragging rights in the first place? Like I find it hard to understand what we truly gain from Gaga's overwhelming success seeing as she can already (and still will be able to for the forseeable future) fund her projects ARTPOP didn't do as amazingly as some previous albums but at the end of the day if you like the music then you should be happy regardless - like why should the success of something be a factor in liking/disliking it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara 1,128 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Thats really close with how much Born this way sold in the first week. If you think that there isnt a problem somewhere, thats your problem. And C2C will sell even less, but Gaga is happy with it, as she should be! It's pretty rare that an artist will have every release sell MORE than the previous release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bt1 5,213 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I mean, I really think you are exaggerating the state of Gaga's career right now. Another album that sells upwards of 2 million records should be enough for a decent world tour. She is still able to book high profile television slots to perform and is still able to travel the world on a world tour. Her last tour broke streaming records on Yahoo! That isn't some small feat, she shouldn't really have that much trouble touring, her last tour still raked in quite a lot of money. I mean, if we really need to compare, ARTrave did better than the California Dreams tour and Katy seems to be doing all right at the moment. Gaga is wealthy af and has a very large fanbase. All this worrying is really quite insane. Her career is fine and she is doing well atm so I don't see the point in worrying so much, just enjoy what we have right now. If that ends in 5-10 years then it will be upsetting, but I'll have at least 5 eras of fond memories where I wasn't bogged down and distracted by all this negativity. I'm just trying to encourage people to appreciate what we have while it lasts. I'm sure it will last a very long time, but if it doesn't then at least it was a great ride and Gaga is well enough to support herself and her future endeavours. Lol. You are acting like so many people tours were streamed on Yahoo. Yes, she is wealthy and she can make music, but if the tendencies continue this way, not for a long time at this level. At one point money doesnt matter. You create your stage, but what happens if at every date shows up the attendance from Lisbon? Her next era must be very strong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sia 314 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Because we love her, and we don't want her flop she won't omg she will always be a bad ass b---h Don't be insecure if you heart is pure, you're still good to me if you're a bad kid baby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bt1 5,213 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 You have no freaking idea what you are talking about 1)Born this way sold that much because of the 99 cents thing 2)When born this way came out it was 2011 and when ARTPOP came out it was 2013..The album sales REALLY declined for everyone in these 2 years.. 3)ARTPOP had only 2 videos and the promo was only good for Applause which became a big hit.. So for that messy promo 2,5m is really good..The other "relevant" artists like Ariana Grande,Miley Cyrus etc. sold LESS than Gaga. So seriously there aren't any problems Lol. Only 400k were sold at that price in US. Others dont agree about point 2. The best thing is to compare yourself to you. It was a huge decline between the 2 eras and all fans I think were able to feel it in one way or another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,093 Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 The Artrave was very low-grossing compared to the Monster Ball and BTWB, there's a major decline there as well. I think fans are concerned because they have the foresight to see that if her success levels keep dropping then it won't be long before she's not even a pop star anymore and she can no longer play arenas around the world. If Gaga can't find success in the pop realm with her next record then she's likely to just stop trying altogether. Again, we are comparing the ARTrave to her past success and tours that happen to be two of the highest grossing concert tours of all time. I mean does it really look like Gaga is struggling right now? She has just had 3 #1 albums in a row... She might not be at the level of success she had in the past, but that in no way means she isn't successful, I really doubt that she is in the sort of predicament where she won't be able to tour and release albums for much longer. It really baffles me how we are talking about one of the most successful contemporary musicians of our time as if she is on the verge of bankruptcy and will be unable to make music or perform to her fans again. ARTPOP was great! Her television performances were amazing, the album was amazing and I got to see my favourite artist live in concert! Isn't that fantastic? Enjoy the ride we are currently on! Be appreciative of what we have and don't let it pass you by because of a constant desire for her to be at an even greater level of success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bt1 5,213 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 And C2C will sell even less, but Gaga is happy with it, as she should be! It's pretty rare that an artist will have every release sell MORE than the previous release. C2c is special. Its a jazz album. No one expected to sell as a pop album, so the fact that at the end it will be very close to ARTPOP numbers in US is very impressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,093 Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 Lol. You are acting like so many people tours were streamed on Yahoo. Yes, she is wealthy and she can make music, but if the tendencies continue this way, not for a long time at this level. At one point money doesnt matter. You create your stage, but what happens if at every date shows up the attendance from Lisbon? Her next era must be very strong. No i'm not, but it seems like there are a lot of artists less successful that are still able to tour... If she has to downgrade her tours at some point and play at smaller venues, then it doesn't really matter too much right? You could still go and see her, you could still listen to her music, you could still even see her perform on T.V! It's weird how this fanbase praises the The Fame Ball tour and The Monster Ball so much, when she had some of her lowest production costs and was playing in theaters and then freak out over the idea that she won't be able to have the massive productions of other tours and sell out every arena. You enjoyed The Fame Ball... You enjoyed The Monster Ball. What is the problem???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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