VforVendetta 2,024 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Because Cyndi outsold herself and tried to become a cheesy brand. (Remember when she became a host on WWE) Her music quality might have changed...and maybe some indie reporters found it good....but it didn't really impress people. I have a feeling Gaga wants to put an impression on her fans and others, and change the world. Its not in her DNA to just make music about randomness. She wants to bring ART into POP. Which means being able to create something that can be new and interesting and important, but viable for a large audience. I didn't compare Gaga to Cindi. I just siad that sometimes the opinion of the critics alone or the opinion of the public is not that relevant. There are many things that play their role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SISTERV 3,887 Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 And for what seems like the hundreth time, you've missed my point. I'm not saying DJWS is better than RedOne, I'm saying that what's the point in regressing musically to something that she's done before, just because it satisfies a select group of people? Gaga is all about evolution of sound and musical innovation, so if she can produce some new sounds with RedOne, fantastic, I'm so happy for her, but if she basically comes out with some generic Bad Romance 3.0 or whatever JUST for the charts, it would be very disappointing. And I made it very clear in many of my posts that she or RedOne won't be doing that. Gaga is a creative. RedOne is a mastermind. RedOne has consistently evolved with Gaga. His stuff with her on The Fame to the TFM to BTW to ARTPOP has completely evolved and sounded refreshing. They both understand each other in a way musically that DJWS doesn't quite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody 64,631 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Here is an excellent review of ARTPOP which explains why it failed. The guy doesn't target Gaga why still respecting her as an artist. He gave it a C-. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y3XX7sceL4 *note: He says Gypsy is a highlight from the album tho.....RedOne!!! very good review Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SISTERV 3,887 Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 You brought up Metacritic, BB is included in that score. I didn't say a word about "Metaritic". I said that the critical examination overall suggested the album was her weakest. Please quote where I brought up metacritic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Hoegan 1,018 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I feel very bad for DJWS... I don't know how to say it, he is a great producer, his songs are the most polished ones she's ever had, very clean sound but to me, (most of) his songs are sooo not memorable, they lack freshness, the "omg I haven't heard anything like that", the distinctive idea... so I don't want him on the next album, sorry :( and I hope RedOne proves he's not the ridiculed ReDone, and he brings something fresh, sophisticated and kinda 'minimalistic' (not too much) a la TF or TFM and not messy like his BTW work or gods forbid like his work with JLo... and I would also want some Fernando back :cry: did they fall out ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VasilisVas 5,182 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I am here for another Bad Romance or Poker Face. this x 10000000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SISTERV 3,887 Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 I didn't compare Gaga to Cindi. I just siad that sometimes the opinion of the critics alone or the opinion of the public is not that relevant. There are many things that play their role. you kinda did (unintentionally) compare her to cyndi....however........in Cyndi's case her music did not wane because it was bad. It was her persona in the public that destroyed her, and the fact that she didn't offer much for the mass taste that seemed fresh. Meanwhile Madonna was outpacing her in this category, and therefore Cyndi's creative music didn't live up to what the masses wanted. The difference between Cyndi and Gaga.....Gaga's cares. She'll never admit it....but she cares. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMKKARDASHiAN 8,570 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 debatable. I like Applause...it worked. But DJWS has not delivered the goods the way RedOne has. I pretty much agree with all your saying. Let the rest seethe. My musical tastes are not theirs and theirs are not mine. I'm sure I'll be able to sleep tonight knowing we have different views. Sad that others get so wound up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koala 3 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Judas and Scheisse are RedOne produced darling. Fernando also helped with BM and GH. Sexxx Dreams is unique but not well executed. Don't call me darling, worse member ever And a song can be produced by more than one person: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_White_Shadow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bye 3,947 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I didn't say a word about "Metaritic". I said that the critical examination overall suggested the album was her weakest. Please quote where I brought up metacritic. Did you average the scores out yourself to figure out it was her worst reviewed? because if so, kudos to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koala 3 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 he didn't produce Judas and Scheisse.....RedOne did a song can be coproduced or cowritten http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_White_Shadow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SISTERV 3,887 Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 Don't call me darling, worse member ever And a song can be produced by more than one person: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_White_Shadow Don't call me worse member ever You sound pressed about that Darling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koala 3 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 People in a different thread were saying RedOne produced Judas and Scheisse... who do I believe? :madge: I love DJWS btw. because a song can be produced or cowritten by both: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_White_Shadow and even if he didn't produce Judas and Scheisse, I love all the other songs he did except Swine. I'm tired of people bashin him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SISTERV 3,887 Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 a song can be coproduced or cowritten http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_White_Shadow clearly....Its just obvious that the songs that do well have a touch of RedOne and the songs that do okay are just DJWS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatislaps 34,851 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 a song can be coproduced or cowritten http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_White_Shadow he only remixed the track, RedOne and Gaga produced and wrote the track....and btw using wiki as a source Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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