Quark 7,098 Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 I don't get your point . I agree with all of what you said. I think you misunderstood my OP. "Her contemporaries on the other hand tend to write for the masses." Should read: "Her contemporaries on the other hand tend to write for the SHEEPLE" "huge mainstream success could potentially be sacrificed"...Who are you "ENIGMA" some kind of SHILL? What are you doing on this forum? Lady Gaga is already a mainstream success, an avante garde success, a jazz success, a WORLDWIDE ICON, a fashion innovator and the most influential, powerful Entertainer in the business. I seriously doubt anything but your uneducated opinion will be sacrificed. Who do you work for, Big Machine Records? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,535 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Not necessarily her but her work. When she began her career she started with a pop rock sound because that was popular at its time. When Gaga became famous, she change her sound to a more electronic pop sound too. Now she makes songs like dark horse and birthday because of trap and disco trends. Also her music videos are always inspired by some sort of theme that was already common or popular such as Egypt, Tarzan, Birthday Parties, Aliens. She never comes up with something truly unique like Applause video for example (or any other Gaga video for that matter). i see what ur saying. but if ur gonna be mainstream thats exactly the kind of thing ur gonna do. the most popular stuff, will obviously feature stuff thats common and known to people. u can still add creativity to it (Gwen Stefani was great at doing that) and i still feel like Katy does great at it. If Rihanna tried to pull off Katies stuff, she could never do as good a job On some songs, yes, she belts a little too much because it's in her nature. She is a Broadway-caliber belter. Not her fault, someone should have told her to tone it down a bit. But then there are others like "Nature Boy", "Ev'rytime", "Lush Life", where she does find the nuances in instrument and works with the music better. I think her next jazz effort will be even more impressive. they probably did and she didnt leasten Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,115 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 they probably did and she didnt leasten true the stubborn chanteuse Not necessarily her but her work. When she began her career she started with a pop rock sound because that was popular at its time. When Gaga became famous, she change her sound to a more electronic pop sound too. Now she makes songs like dark horse and birthday because of trap and disco trends. Also her music videos are always inspired by some sort of theme that was already common or popular such as Egypt, Tarzan, Birthday Parties, Aliens. She never comes up with something truly unique like Applause video for example (or any other Gaga video for that matter). :trootea: It's difficult to sum up any Gaga video like that with just one word, especially in recent years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 But when you start making music just to appeal to many people and sale a lot of records, than that is when you loose you artistry or vision. You are no longer doing what you truly wanted to do, but instead need to change your vision a little or a lot to meet demands. That is why most pop artists are rarely taken seriously. i see what ur saying. but if ur gonna be mainstream thats exactly the kind of thing ur gonna do. the most popular stuff, will obviously feature stuff thats common and known to people. u can still add creativity to it (Gwen Stefani was great at doing that) and i still feel like Katy does great at it. If Rihanna tried to pull off Katies stuff, she could never do as good a job they probably did and she didnt leasten Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerFace91 3 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 On October 28, 2014 at 0:36 PM, HookerHotel said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexxx 2,244 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I think a lot of people hate her because of the little monsters. They keep saying stuff like "This is so basic." "Gaga's music is more creative than everyone else's." "Everyone else's music is generic except for gaga's. And that ANGERS a lot of people. I've seen their comments. Even if it's true, people have a choice to like what they want. Also gaga's music or fashion doesn't have that shock factor anymore. Everyone is releasing music. Gaga doesn't release enough. Maybe next year will be gaga's Lady Gaga/ Madonna/Lana /Azealia Banks/ Jazmine Sullivan/ DEEE-LITE/ Moko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerFace91 3 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 On October 28, 2014 at 0:32 PM, johnpe said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emvee 8,350 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 All it takes is a hit record, when it comes to Gaga. It's not about her image, it's about the music and the message. I feel like, contrary to what fans believe, many people actually DO want to like Gaga, but her songs are sometimes too much to swallow talking about koons and banging gongs - not to mentions her rough vocal decisions. I have friends who still play Just Dance and Bad Romance, but pay absolute dust to her recent music. People don't hate Gaga, they just don't like what she has produced beyond BTW. But i mean it is what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeehawKylie 7,817 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I think a lot of it has to be with the negative stigma that being her fan brings. Her fans aren't viewed very highly and I think a lot of people are afraid to associate with them. I swear, I feel like a ton of people torrented ARTPOP because they didn't want to actually buy it for these reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopReaper 2,231 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Well, most of these artists you mentioned (Except Taylor who is probably reaching her peak now, even tho she was never as big worldwide as she is in America, and Rihanna) are "fading" too, which, I should point out, is a tremendous misuse of that word. Christina faded. PSY faded. Carly Rae Jepsen faded. These artists on the list (and Gaga) are simply finding a stability point in terms of success, and it's delusional to think they will stay at their 'peak' status forever (That actually goes against the whole meaning of peak). Anyway, about the main question: It's almost impossible to define an exact answer. Maybe people just didn't like the music? Maybe they think she lost the spark she had? Maybe they think she's too gay? I don't know. Gaga's def had a great impact in the industry and she was surely not forgotten, and I doubt this 'low point' (even though she sold the same as today's other popular singers) will affect her that much in a long term. The only thing we can do now is wish her lots of luck so the next album will be better received by the public (and better managed too). Also, I'd like to say that it sounds really condescending how some of you call pop singers that aren't all 'artsy fartsy' sell-outs. You act it's impossible for someone to do simple, fun music and really enjoy it without it being a gimmick to get some attention. Why did I write such a long post? Fun Fact: The K in KPop stands for "Kate Bush" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 No misunderstanding your OP, it was all basically negative, not the type of opinion from somebody who considers themselves a Lady Gaga fan. True fans wish continued success for their favorite artists, not downgrade them. So, you are a shill trying to sway opinions in this manner. Like I said, who do you work for? Capitol Records? :popcorn: I am not downgrading gaga. I am just pointing something out. And I do wish her success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,535 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 But when you start making music just to appeal to many people and sale a lot of records, than that is when you loose you artistry or vision. You are no longer doing what you truly wanted to do, but instead need to change your vision a little or a lot to meet demands. That is why most pop artists are rarely taken seriously. u do have a point... but if its what people want and u deliver it, you still have your place maybe ur not as much of a geniuine artist carrying out your vision... But ur a bigger entertainer giving people what they demand Entertainers i think are just as important as "genuine artists carrying out their vision" cause again as i said, it would be boring if everyone was a Lady Gaga Thats why i think the bashing from some people for "basic" or "mainstream" stars needs to stop. They too have their place at making the music industry more interesting and they arent necessairily untalanted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 u do have a point... but if its what people want and u deliver it, you still have your place maybe ur not as much of a geniuine artist carrying out your vision... But ur a bigger entertainer giving people what they demand Entertainers i think are just as important as "genuine artists carrying out their vision" cause again as i said, it would be boring if everyone was a Lady Gaga Thats why i think she bashing from some people for "basic" or "mainstream" stars needs to stop. They too have their place at making the music industry more interesting and they arent necessairily untalanted True. But I think there is more of the basic then the non basic stuff. Artists should be more creative to make the music industry more interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 When the artistic perspective of one pop star is adopted by all pop stars, a trend in pop music is created. The market eventually becomes over saturated and bored with the trend. The pop stars who were following the trend are able to easily drop the trend and adapt to whatever the current trend is, while the artist who pioneered the trend becomes an old-hat. Cyndi Lauper syndrome. Gaga defined an era in popular culture. She changed the way her peers dressed, made music, and performed. But that is over. The current trend is lo-fi, low key, rock stars. Disco is dead. Unless she reinvents herself Gaga will be forced to take a back seat until once again her shock jock antics are needed to resuscitate pop music. Don't expect another hit record or for her to be on the cover of Time again. Just kick back and enjoy whatever art she has in store for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FameHungry 146 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Most people don't wanna listen to a song, hear lyrics and go "What does this mean? I must know!". No, they wanna listen to something fun, relatable, irritatingly catchy and easy to consume. But Gaga has a vision, ideas that cannot be easy to consume because they're complex. I prefer it like this. It gives her that real or even surreal element to her music. She really delves into these thoughts of hers and expresses either her confusion or conclusion to those thoughts in her music, visuals, etc. Basic songs don't represent the extent of how creative humans can be. They don't do ourselves justice. Sorry if I seem to be talking nonsense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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