Wet Fire 7,591 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Gags has theories and visions about her artistry. The GP isn't always here for that. They just want to listen to the music. Plus, Gaga doesn't do things that are usual. That alienates her from the GP. She is "weird". People are more ontrested in artists who are easy to follow and need not a great amount of loyalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklistedd 599 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 If I recall correctly I never stated that was the major downfall, you simply continued to poke and prod at my point for more information? Of course if that's how it came across and it's bothered you this much then I apologize, that wasn't my intention. I agree once again and believe I previously stated, her unlikeable points haven't been overshadowed by high quality performances etc etc Yes, once again that is a factor however she handled the situation badly by responding to criticism and encouraging an almost censoring of negative voices. Of course that got blown out of major proportion but she didn't clarify to the fans who then decided to go on a rampage with her message what she actually intended. That ultimatly caused some division in the fanbase and allowed some to be influenced futher by less positive media surrounding her. She ultimatly exposed her weaknesses and refused to really do much damage control when people began to abuse those weaknesses. That's just regarding the fanbase really, I doubt the public was influenced by her previous "POK" message if you exclude various media using that exposed weak point to push her. You had numbered several points and it was second meaning it was clearly a major point of interest to you. I just had you elaborate on it because its was the only one of your points besides the first that felt valid. Your third point being "no one cared about art" which is just irrelevant really in regards to the albums underperformance and "koons isnt interesting" which is your own personal opinion and quite honestly once again somewhat irrelevant to the topic at hand. Your 4th point I addressed in my first response to you, or I addressed in a post on here anyway, and the music is not dated, not a matter of opinion. Your 5th point being the odd one, that she didnt stick to the spot she made for herself, people want her weird or normal. I mean...when she was "normal" people thought she was weird and when she was actually sort of weird I guess people responded the same way they did before. You say she was being half-assed and like...I see what you mean, I dont fully agree but I also agree that she was underwhelming. I don't think she completely lacked quality this era though and you kind of gloss over the good aspects and focus on the negative which is really your prerogative but I mean I dont think this era was totally fruitless however it was ultimately disappointing. I don't think her responding to criticism was the issue, it was the passive aggressive way in which she responded to it that I didnt care for but ultimately I just dont really care about all of that anyway. She made a few songs that I liked as much as anything off her other albums and I still see the influences in her music come through that made me like her in the first place. At the root of who she is as a pop star I like where shes coming from and I like her influences and her potential. So unlike all of the overdramatic pop stans out there, one average album with an underwhelming era doesnt really make me rethink everything about her and make me question whether or not I think shes dope or whatever. I could care less about her philanthropy or how genuine she is when she makes an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel or Ellen personally. In relation to the topic though, I think I already stated all of the reasons shes not "as popular" as the basics and I mean that. I really do think Taylor Swift and Katy Perry are pretty basic. Not to say people shouldn't like them or that they havent made a song or two that I could consider enjoyable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiffa 169 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I agree 110% and really wish I wasn't in bed already so I could write a much longer response but I'm glad to actually see a moderator being open about this! I've never understood her closeness to some of these fans, especially as some are fairly notorious for ill behaviour to other fans and people in general but it is her choice who she surrounds herself with! I suppose we all forget this is the girl who was dancing in skimpy two pieces on the night club scene and no matter what she preaches she is still an individual with sometimes quite absurd views and values. I will admit, I fear the future as her previous team kept her professional to a point, it was only as the reigns were being slowly taken off that issues began to visibly arise. I obviously have hope otherwise I wouldn't be here and I still believe in her but her actions have become a lot more questionable to me over the last couple of years and I'm starting to doubt what she is capable of regarding work ethic, emotional strain and actual health, both physical and mental. I'm not a moderator anymore. I'm too honest and sort of a loud mouth (aka I don't hold back), so I've gotten myself into trouble. Yes! That's what we all have to remember in the end. We a fans, thus, we do not have a true perception of her as a person. We know her as the artist and anything she lets us see (intentionally and unintentionally). We are all individuals and we all perceive these things differently, our very own perception. A lot of our expectations of her are unrealistic. She is HUMAN. Her previous team was with her up until ARTPOP. I don't really see a major difference in her behavior now than in her previous eras where her team was present. I'm not sure what you're saying. Examples, please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiffa 169 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 One thing I absolutely LOVE about Gaga is that she is constantly changing her look and "theme." This is what keeps her interesting. I've been a fan of many musicians in the past (classic rock musicians), so I sort of knew what to expect. I liked artists like David Bowie and My Chemical Romance because they changed things up and kept you guessing. You couldn't assume what the next album or era would be like. When Gaga happened, it was like a dream come true. But this isn't a dream for everyone. I noticed a lot of people cannot keep up with this. My nieces often see new photos (on my phone) and ask who it is EVERY TIME. They do not recognize her. Gaga really isn't for children. Gaga's contemporaries can be (moderated of course). They're relatable and easy to follow... thus, more album sales. The GP also doesn't like to a--lyze their music or have to think too much... they do at work or school. They just want to go out to the club and have fun, to let loose and think about nothing else. Mindless music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 This is what I'm talking about though, the (let's be honest) half-assed rebellion wasn't called for. Wooh someone was sick on her whilst she screamed "F*ck you pop music, this is my average pop album." It's honestly not surprising the world turned against her. You can't compare Gaga to Katy or Taylor when it comes to likeability because both of them are not changing their persona every second, they consistently come across as genuine and/or light-hearted fun however Gaga has always been fairly hard to understand (especially pre-BTW). It's much easier to listen to someone when they're a likeable person, I mean Katy has never said anything to personally annoy me whilst Gaga's own remarks and opinions have wound me up the wall regarding some issues such as her old stance on feminism etc. I think we as fanbase like to paint over some of Gaga's unlikeable aspects because on reflection she has quite a few. Gaga divides people however she was just plain unlikeable this era due to her own presentation. Other artists don't annoy you because they don't say much in the first place. Gaga is not afraid to constantly speak her mind, about social issues and herself. So she is bound to annoy or anger people that don't agree with her opinions or actions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody 64,631 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 What I see from the comments here is that some fans are honnest! But from some other comments, they believe that SHE IS OVER Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The GP also doesn't like to a--lyze their music or have to think too much... they do at work or school. They just want to go out to the club and have fun, to let loose and think about nothing else. Mindless music. This. The GP wants their music as basic as possible. They no not care about quality. Gaga is not willing to conform, and we are very lucky for that. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiffa 169 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 This. The GP wants their music as basic as possible. They no not care about quality. Gaga is not willing to conform, and we are very lucky for that. SO LUCKY. I don't think people realize how "lucky" or "fortunate" they are to be a Gaga fan. It is a privilege in many ways, and has various advantages. Gaga takes a lot of time to meet fans and give back to us in unique ways. None of these things Gaga has to do. It's not in her job description. She spends A LOT of time focused on us. Furthermore, she's a raw talented artist with music knowledge and writes/composes her own music. Not only that, she has a wide range of influences and can deliver a lot of variety to her music. Because she has a large taste in music, she is constantly introducing fans to it (i.e.: Jazz). I love what she is doing because if no one does, the legends die with everyone else who knew them. Music must live forever. So, in a way, I feel like Gaga has SAVED music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmcclure72 34 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Literally the only reason is because people think that if you like her you are gay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FameHookah 4,615 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Sometimes she tries too hard. ARTPOP's title was a deterrent, but also I don't think the music appealed as much as her previous work to a widespread audience. The music sounded less fully and more like a bunch of different noises put together, it sounded too robotic to me and I know it bothered other people. Also her ability to enunciate clearly has gotten worse. A lot of non-stans have a hard time figuring out what she is saying. She should experiment with more crisp vocals again for some songs. I liked that she started off the era with looking cute and pretty, but when she goes overboard on the off-putting or ugly looks I do think it has some residual negative influences. People don't want a fugly popstar- myself included tbh. She had a good balance before, but during BTW I think she started going overboard. She's gorgeous and I love when she plays up the s-xy or cute Gaga looks, because why not do all that now before she gets older and it is harder to pull off? I want a super slutty/Love Game Gaga to make an appearance again. Also her controversies are becoming contrived imo. The SXSW vomit performance was a desperate grasp for attention and a pretentious nod to art without any heart. I hate when she makes herself look like an ugly mess x.x (the venus fairy and many others) WTF is MDNA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaMonster 1,806 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Stop writing here. It is a stupid discussion, no one can be at the top all the time. Madonna is never on tv so is she unsuccessful ? Really please do not post any thing on this topic. It is on the main page among other topics. If I was Gaga, I would be sad to see something like that in my fan site. If she was dying for charts, she would have just made an album with RedOne, and get many number #1s ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy im romancin 0 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUyK7w-hF3g&t=2m1s THIS ^^^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivannn 1,131 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Taylor is becoming huge right now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexxx 5,647 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Literally the only reason is because people think that if you like her you are gay. basically there are so many labels attached with being a fan of her Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE Thing 1,459 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 gaga's a robot, shes beyond every1 else Mentally Disturbed Llama. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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