Jenniferella 2,774 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 yes he was... Once he was saying sth about artists with sold-out shows, and he said: 'Well not sold-out shows like Lady Gaga, she couldn't sell out a lot of shows during her BTWB so they only made half of the stadiums available for her shows I seriously question his ability at teaching ! I love Madonna but come on, no teacher should be talking about this, it's not his job and no one cares, really. I would have loved him as my teacher just to bash him "I have been writing LG5 since I was 13" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaSkeletonWay 2,080 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 You can't fail because you like Lady Gaga And if you do, I don't think you should study in that school to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaybeKermit 4,966 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I seriously question his ability at teaching ! I love Madonna but come on, no teacher should be talking about this, it's not his job and no one cares, really. I would have loved him as my teacher just to bash him oh believe me, I ruined him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow 1,582 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Hate to say it but to an art school, Lady Gaga probably represents a very shallow understanding of "high" art. I'm not saying she's not creative - because she is - but her work isn't the most fertile for discussion in terms of subtext or multiple interpretations. There's occasional imagery that has some symbolic meaning, but it's quite hamfisted and often riffs on cliches and other artists' work. (ie: did somebody say "pop culture"? let me put on a Marilyn Monroe wig. also, the cage represents being trapped. wow. edgy.) As well, most of what you see in Gaga videos is the cumulative effect of directors, choreographers, makeup artists, hair stylists, fashion designers, production designers, photographers, set designers ... creative people that are often namelessly giving their work to be shown under the banner of LADY GAGA. To an extent, she is the one who makes it happen, with a spark of an idea, a song, or an inspiration. But the brunt of the creative process for her visual work is not done by her. I'm saying this as someone who is a huge fan of Gaga, and also an avid visual art student. Gaga is a pop singer - a very creative one, but a pop singer. She is a celebrity. She says "**** you pop music" but she is still subject to its machinations. Arguably, she is an artist, but her primary art form is her music - songwriting and vocal abilities. If you were an aspiring singer, then she would be a tremendous inspiration. For a visual art student, you should (I'm not saying you must, but I recommend it) find an inspiration who is a more well-accepted member of the art community. Rachel Whiteread, Tracey Emin, Hannah Höch, Frida Kahlo -- all fantastic artists who have a wide variety of works that can be dissected, discussed and a--lysed on their merits as individual creations. I hope this hasn't been too harsh. EDIT: To summarise/clarify. Lady Gaga is a recording artist that offers an entry-level gateway to high visual art. It's like with food. You have basic level fast food - McDonalds, KFC, etc. Above that is the kind of places that are still chains and have mass production, but show more finesse, are more expensive, and offer a quasi-gourmet experience. Nando's, Grill'd (Australian burger chain, look it up if you need), and my impression is that Olive Garden kind of fits in here too (though I've never been.) On the top tier you have high-class restaurants with seatings and exceptional table service and a carefully selected and highly crafted menu. The middle level places are like a gateway to the too tier. In the art world, you could say that Lady Gaga sits in this middle tier -- certainly above most of her contemporaries on the radio, but not quite a Michelin star restaurant. AAMEN!!! This oh so much! I'm soryy but I may not be able to be as polite as you were, but I have to agree and add because the delusion in this topic is unbelievable. Firstly, yes Gaga is a artist as in a popartist. That's it! She's a popstar whose creative art is pop music. And I'm sorry to say, but vast majority of her creativ work aka songs are quite standard pop tunes in four chords... Nothing all that innovative or "arty" like let's say Björk. And furthermore, she does not even create all of her "art" aka music alone but with numerous pruducers/songwriters... So yeah Secondly, "gaga is a visual artist" mmm yeah. sure she is. But like posted above, how much of that is her creation? Not much. It's other people's work and creative input. For her referencing other artists' art (like Koons) does not constitute to her being a true artist. Her wearing increble fashion doesn't make her the creative artist. She's just wearing someone else's art, not hers. Posing in Louvre as a part of someone else's art does certainly not make you a artist. Using a picture taken of someone else's art and use it for you "artwork" is not really art (besides the cover art of let's say ARTPOP is Koons' art, not gaga's) The true artsits in this case are the fashion designers, the graphich designers, the photographers, the cinematographers etc., She may give them and idea or inspiration, but that's it. As a conclusion, gaga is popstar and certainly a pop artist, but if you really stop and think for a second, you can understand why popartists are not valued all that much in the "real art scene". Like said, they are very very rarely the sole creators of their art (which really is the composition of music part....) I as an art major would also almost laugh if someone would come to an art school stating Gaga as their highest inspiration... Oh please. I tried to be as polite as I could, but this topic just made my blood boil. Some of you actually would put Gaga up there among the great contemporary ARTISTS O.o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille 1,173 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Well do mot join that art school even though you get accepted :awkney: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celina 118 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 And furthermore, she does not even create all of her "art" aka music alone but with numerous pruducers/songwriters... All things aside, you don't give her enough credit for this. She and some of her "songwriters," like Fernando Garibay, have admitted that she's "generous" with credits and does the vast majority of the writing. Producing, obviously not, but she seems to be more and more involved with time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Draco 2,531 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 It's an ART school, what did you expect ? They were waiting for another kind of answers, like some real artists and not a popstar Seriously am I the only one who's not surprised ?! I'm not surprised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow 1,582 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 All things aside, you don't give her enough credit for this. She and some of her "songwriters," like Fernando Garibay, have admitted that she's "generous" with credits and does the vast majority of the writing. Producing, obviously not, but she seems to be more and more involved with time. Maybe I was being a bit harsh or exaggerated my point on this. I know Gaga is very involved in her work, however my point being that how many "producers" or whatever did Debussy, Mozart, Picasso, Renoir, etc., need? And even in her own genre, you can't honestly claim that her work or art is all that innovative and spectacular, at least looking at the pure musical efforts, i.e., the chord proggressions, harmony structure, agogi's, melodies and counter harmonies...... However, if this was a case of music school (not classical) or better yet a so called Pop & Jazz Conservatory or something along those lines, Gaga would be a marvelous inspiration for a aspiring performer. :) Because we all know that's what she truly is, a brilliant performer and a pop artist. :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paper Planes 340 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 "My art teachers HATE lady gaga" Wow, how different from the rest of the world at the moment. delete it fat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCaligula 0 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Ask your art teachers what kind of impact they have had on the art community? Were they featured in the Lourve? Were they working with Jeff Koons? Also, kindly remind them they are mere teachers probably earning less than 75k a year talking **** about an ARTIST who is worth more than 220million. Tell me that is not the ultimate drag of the year. They probably hate Koons do...lots of art folks do. Financial success generally is the opposite of art.. You have to remember Gaga fans are somewhat jaded and some people feel like they can see through her... I mean listen...if you werent a fan how would you feel about the fact taht she contradicts nearly every single thing she says? Thats not something alot of people like. It's an ART school, what did you expect ? They were waiting for another kind of answers, like some real artists and not a popstar Seriously am I the only one who's not surprised ?! No. its tantamount to saying beyonce instead of idk... jacques louis david or something. it makes you seem like you are just into art because you heard a gaga album called ARTPOP...its a turn off to them. KASK on Ghent (belgium) Probably shoulda just said Hans Holbein or something if you are trying to get into art school. You already know the GP generally despises or doesnt trust her...so why would you put yourself in that situation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCaligula 0 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 AAMEN!!! This oh so much! I'm soryy but I may not be able to be as polite as you were, but I have to agree and add because the delusion in this topic is unbelievable. Firstly, yes Gaga is a artist as in a popartist. That's it! She's a popstar whose creative art is pop music. And I'm sorry to say, but vast majority of her creativ work aka songs are quite standard pop tunes in four chords... Nothing all that innovative or "arty" like let's say Björk. And furthermore, she does not even create all of her "art" aka music alone but with numerous pruducers/songwriters... So yeah Secondly, "gaga is a visual artist" mmm yeah. sure she is. But like posted above, how much of that is her creation? Not much. It's other people's work and creative input. For her referencing other artists' art (like Koons) does not constitute to her being a true artist. Her wearing increble fashion doesn't make her the creative artist. She's just wearing someone else's art, not hers. Posing in Louvre as a part of someone else's art does certainly not make you a artist. Using a picture taken of someone else's art and use it for you "artwork" is not really art (besides the cover art of let's say ARTPOP is Koons' art, not gaga's) The true artsits in this case are the fashion designers, the graphich designers, the photographers, the cinematographers etc., She may give them and idea or inspiration, but that's it. As a conclusion, gaga is popstar and certainly a pop artist, but if you really stop and think for a second, you can understand why popartists are not valued all that much in the "real art scene". Like said, they are very very rarely the sole creators of their art (which really is the composition of music part....) I as an art major would also almost laugh if someone would come to an art school stating Gaga as their highest inspiration... Oh please. I tried to be as polite as I could, but this topic just made my blood boil. Some of you actually would put Gaga up there among the great contemporary ARTISTS O.o I cringe when I read deluded fans try to hawk her as some great artist. She is a great pop artist and lots of her imagery can have double meanings but its not all really that deep and much of what is deep is rather contrived and kinda...bs to be honest. The main fact though is that she IS the product of producers, designers, set designers, costume makers, stylists etc... its not all her work, it just has Gaga stamped on it. She made that pretty clear with ARTPOP...which contains the word art btu shes made it pretty clear it wasnt all her vision and shes ready for a new era yada yada yada. Its all disposable to her, which isnt art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCaligula 0 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 my art teacher from when i was in high school said that lady gaga (and other pop singers) were satanic and illuminati. Then she questioned me and my religion oh and it was around the Judas era. If you are American this definitely isnt true...and I highly doubt ANY teacher would bring up the illuminati... period. Unless they are talking about the 1700s, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swine killer 0 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Haters gonna hate :thirst: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow 1,582 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Haters gonna hate :thirst: Oh please... What does that have to do with anything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaggedMonster 2 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 My English teacher was a die-hard madonna fan, and he made it very VERY clear that he hatedGaga/was annoyed by her. For months, we had to study the similarities between EY - BTW, EY - ALEJANDRO,.....but I didn't say anything, I just sat there and waited, 'till the time was right... He gave us an assignement; we had to discuss a perfect example of 'imitation' like (in his opinion) ALEJANDRO did with EY... I didn't discuss AN example: I just printed this picture of everything Madonna copied from other artists (especially Marilyn) and gave it to him... http://westboro-baptist-blog.tumblr.com/post/15860153865/reductive From that moment, he started teaching us real things :toofloppy: #dragdat***t What kind of MESS :toofloppy: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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