bigpinkenergy 1,015 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 The songs are very basic and just so soulless and lacking in comparison to her past work. She said every song on the album is designed to be a hit, and you can see what her method for doing that was. It's bubblegum pop but with weirdness added to it, lacking the depth and creativity of her past songs. Even her older bubblegum hits had depth to them. I really hope she does do the b side album. Getting her old songs is probably the most enjoyment I'll get out of Gaga as I cannot stand her new direction. It's basic and tacky. I still love Gaga but not this new direction. No I wouldn't. The success of the album has nothing to do with my reasoning for disliking the album. Your ignorance is astounding. Soulless? I personally think that her work is some of her most honest. No fame alter ego, no preachy mother monster. Dope and Gypsy particularly? I think even Applause has emotion despite being a pure pop song. I personally love it. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion but I think ARTPOP is some of Gaga's best work. You won't find a song like Swine or Mary Jane Holland on a Katy or Britney album, for example. It's creative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
idldte 2 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 You don't have to enjoy it, but there is plenty of creativity, soul, and depth on this album. That's your opinion. Not fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 when did I say that my opinion is a fact? I NEVER said something like 'my opinion is the only thing that matters and stuff like that dd learn how to read dd some weak cosigning You were basicall declaring it sis! Read your own-post before you come at us for calling you on your hypocrisy! :lmao: ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 You were basicall declaring it sis! Read your own-post before you come at us for calling you on your hypocrisy! :lmao: Sis I just re-read it I honestly don't see it Whatever you're thinking I'm saying it's not d. I do know my opinion isn't 'superior' and stuff, I did say that IMO AP is her weakest Album/Era. And yes, I do think TF is better than AP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wootan 0 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Oh God... Don't act like you haven't noticed. And it is unerrated... In POP. Gaga is pop, remember? So why compare her to indie artists? Everyone is like "omg you can't compare *insert indie artist* to pop artists! They can't get those sales" so why compare now? Puh-lease. Oh please, each time we speak about that, I am the only one using numbers (e.g. The BTW example I used several times), not unfounded assumptions Just in case, the OP never talked about ARTPOP being underrated in Pop music. He basically said "ARTPOP is the most underrated album ever". And even as a pop album, it's not underrated, the good sales prove it (unpopular opinion, but 2M+ is good imo). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopBitch 1,218 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 It's not a pure pop album and that's why ppl are so upset by it. The quality is incredible in the production and the concept is strong.It's a confession of her deepest thoughts and only because it is masked by EDM and seemingly trivial metaphors people think it have not much to say. ARTPOP is her most honest work, the key of reading of the "ART" in her carrer. She is every icon she is the summary of Pop culture and she is impregnated by it and each time she's giving birth to a new vision of it. The ART is not in ARTPOP , ARTPOP ( in the concept ) it's only the means to understand her previous works that is PURE art. She is a surrealist . She is every icon of pop and art. She is the multimedial daughter of past ICONS. "Do you wanna see the girl who lives behind the aura?" "i'm not a wandering slave i am a woman of choise" This is the opening. No one expects a pure pop album by Gaga. If anything, they expect something brilliant and unique. It's a step down by her, not a move forward imo. Some of it even sounds dated. But it's all subjective. That's just my opinion. Not all, but a lot of the music is missing something and pales in comparison to her stronger songwriting overall for a complete album in previous releases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celina 118 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 That's your opinion. Not fact. It's a fact that some of these songs have clear emotional connections to her. Songs like Gypsy, Dope, Aura, Swine, Applause, etc. are full of depth, at least from Gaga's perspective and life experiences. Whether or not that resonates with you is a completely different situation. It doesn't have to mean anything to you, but to call it soulless is discrediting Gaga & her work. On the other hand, the creativity part is definitely subjective, but surely it's a little visible that songs like Mary Jane Holland and Venus don't approach the subject matter like most songs with similar subjects, if that means anything to you... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
idldte 2 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 It's a fact that some of these songs have clear emotional connections to her. Songs like Gypsy, Dope, Aura, Swine, Applause, etc. are full of depth, at least from Gaga's perspective and life experiences. Whether or not that resonates with you is a completely different situation. It doesn't have to mean anything to you, but to call it soulless is discrediting Gaga & her work. On the other hand, the creativity part is definitely subjective to an extent, but surely you can see that songs like Mary Jane Holland and Venus don't approach the subject matter like most songs with similar subjects, if that means anything to you... Doesn't matter how connected she is to them. That doesn't make them factually good. They're crap. I will discredit ARTPOP, for good reason. She can do a lot better, and has done in the past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celina 118 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Doesn't matter how connected she is to them. That doesn't make them factually good. They're crap. I will discredit ARTPOP, for good reason. She can do a lot better, and has done in the past. You said they were soulless and lacked depth. That is what I responded to. There's really no such thing as "factually good." THAT is what is subjective. Wow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Oh please, each time we speak about that, I am the only one using numbers (e.g. The BTW example I used several times), not unfounded assumptions Just in case, the OP never talked about ARTPOP being underrated in Pop music. He basically said "ARTPOP is the most underrated album ever". And even as a pop album, it's not underrated, the good sales prove it (unpopular opinion, but 2M+ is good imo). I still disagree about BTW though. I find most of the fanbase (which isn't here by the way) love BTW. And like I said BTW wasn't bashed as much as ARTPOP. ARTPOP is a bashed way more so obviously people will jump on the bandwagon and if you want some research feel free to read this. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect And it's obvious the OP was referring to pop music. Like, why would he talk about rock or alternative if Gaga is pop. And if you think he/she meant it in the literal sense... Doesn't matter how connected she is to them. That doesn't make them factually good. They're crap. I will discredit ARTPOP, for good reason. She can do a lot better, and has done in the past. Excuse me but weren't you the one just saying "opinion not fact" :excuseme: ... yet you are saying this as if it's fact. The hypocrites in this thread. And you are very rude tbh. ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wootan 0 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I still disagree about BTW though. I find most of the fanbase (which isn't here by the way) love BTW. And like I said BTW wasn't bashed as much as ARTPOP. ARTPOP is a bashed way more so obviously people will jump on the bandwagon and if you want some research feel free to read this. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect Just in case, when I use this example, I talk about her loss just after the album release. Just after its release, Gaga lost the greatest part of her fanbase, even with the HUGE sales, broken records and good critical reception... Oh and I don't know if you were a fan at that time, but the bad press has always been here, and was even worse during Gaga's TF and BTW eras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
codymonster 8,584 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 They are all basic bubblegum pop besides Aura. It's longer than 25 minutes. It is not an EP. Look it up. Dope tho :lmao: Your argument has NO validity. Not to mention I still stand firmly by the fact that MJH and Swine are FARRRR from bubblegum pop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
idldte 2 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Dope tho :lmao: Your argument has NO validity. Not to mention I still stand firmly by the fact that MJH and Swine are FARRRR from bubblegum pop. Neither does your intelligence. If you bothered to read before throwing stones you'd see I excluded the ballads and Aura. MJH and Swine are very bubblegum and generic. Just disguised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleachella 2,932 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Neither does your intelligence. If you bothered to read before throwing stones you'd see I excluded the ballads and Aura. MJH and Swine are very bubblegum and generic. Just disguised. rude af And Swine being bubblegum pop and generic? You state your opinions as if they are set in gold, and every monster in the world follows them; and only the "stupid" ones dont For future reference vs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRe 1,957 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I agree tbh. It's better than much of her past work. I don't see the reason behind ARTPOP receiving the amount of hate it gets, except for the fact that it underperformed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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