Emvee 8,441 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Erotica was a huge musical risk and I commend her for that, but if you look at her musical choices after that, you can tell she definitely made sure to not stray from mainstream. Ray of Light was SUCH a collage of mid to late 90's culture. Gaga may very well decide to never follow the mainstream ever again, though. Then what? Are y'all gonna stop stanning cause she didn't learn her lesson? Lame. Don't expect Gaga to cater to the masses. If she does, great, y'all will have better figures to brag about, but it's not guaranteed. Being the top b---h was obviously Madonna's intent. I can't say that's Gaga's intention anymore. Maybe in the beginning it was, but "**** you pop music?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CARLPOP 0 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 First thing is you are not the first person to see this... http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/142-did-lady-gagas-ARTPOP-flop/ Second thing is you are right the similarities are really big it even feels like Gaga is doing it on purpose And last thing is ARTPOP act 2 is gonna be like Bedtime Stories a least explicit version of Erotica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloveit123 130 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Thank you for making this topic and bringing up an interesting comparision of chart success (though I will agree with people pointing out that the albums themes are extremely different). But in terms of chart success and popularity at certain points in their careers, it is an interesting comparison. Madonna and Gaga's careers have a lot of similarities which is why I know Gaga will be around for a long time. Even if she probably won't be as massive as she was (just like Madonna after her heyday passed), Gaga has the pop creativity to keep doing what she wants for as long as she wants with a solid fanbase. Also, there will be more highs to come, as well as lows, just like Madonna. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky 39 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I see ARTPOP more similar to hard candy tbh :laughga: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clefable 296 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Then agreed. Sorry to get sassy. TEOG was a marginal success and even then for the places where it was what you could consider "successful" the success of a song isn't only on paper. People didn't really care about TEOG. It wasn't something everyone was talking about and requesting. It wasn't a year end list favorite or much of a pop highlight or whatever the list goes on and on. It just existed for a second and went away and no one said anything about it lol stop acting like you know everything, teog was huge in australia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Adrenaline 1,518 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I don't really think Applause failed to meet most fan's expectations I was happy with it this It's much more fun to have hizophrenia... u never get lonely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelic 1,098 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 And I gave my opinion about his opinion, which I thought was biased. So please quite talking about me or my behavior because you don't know me. Dude just FYI, I do enjoy more listening to ARTPOP than Erotica. I dont know where you're getting my hate from. On the other hand I've seen you around making h8 comments towards other artists (aka Britney) and people coming back at you for that. Remember #PromoteOnlineKindness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklistedd 599 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 But her songs can't be loved and constatly talked by everyone all the time Neither Michael Jackson nor Madonna achieved that... it's impossible. So, if one of their songs isn't as remembered as other hits, does that mean no one cares?lol TEOG was a sucess...the last hit on BTW but it actually was, like it or not When did I say they needed to be? I was saying a lot of the fans tend to overexaggerate exactly how much of a "hit" it actually was. Some people do the same thing with You and I insisting that it was a smash or something. TEOG did better than Y&I but I mean its not like it was even an Alejandro sized hit. It was just there and then it wasn't. Its nothing to talk about now as if it was something that mattered at the time. Thats what im getting at and idk how we got onto this topic in the first place anymore lol Applause was a bigger hit than TEOG albeit not as critically appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklistedd 599 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Hate??? I'm sorry but that's no hate, it's just my point of view which actually pretty objective. Even stans know that the lyrics in ARTPOP do not explore any new subject except maybe for Swine. And the some sounds might be new but in general she keeps doing electro pop, which is very different story to MAdonna going from 80's bubblegum pop to 90's dance-pop with Erotica! Lets be real here for a second, you're an obvious total Madonna stan and your point of view isn't all that objective. You seem to like Gaga to a good extent, but your attitude here tends to be to immediately defend Madonna from what you believe to be "delusional Gaga stans" and act like everything she does is everything and in doing so you tend to kind of knock Gaga down a peg on purpose. In terms of her not exploring new subject matter or sounds, ill agree that Gagas aesthetic did not go through a drastic enough alteration to turn heads, like Madonna with Erotica, but what you and everyone else gets sucked into and forgets is the fact that Lady Gaga is not Madonna. ARTPOP is not even remotely like Erotica. Neither of these albums had similar goals or expectations, neither of these artists were in the same place in their careers both from a creative, popular, and critical standpoint. There is no comparison other than the fact that they're both crude pop stars. All other similarity is imagined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelic 1,098 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Lets be real here for a second, you're an obvious total Madonna stan and your point of view isn't all that objective. You seem to like Gaga to a good extent, but your attitude here tends to be to immediately defend Madonna from what you believe to be "delusional Gaga stans" and act like everything she does is everything and in doing so you tend to kind of knock Gaga down a peg on purpose. In terms of her not exploring new subject matter or sounds, ill agree that Gagas aesthetic did not go through a drastic enough alteration to turn heads, like Madonna with Erotica, but what you and everyone else gets sucked into and forgets is the fact that Lady Gaga is not Madonna. ARTPOP is not even remotely like Erotica. Neither of these albums had similar goals or expectations, neither of these artists were in the same place in their careers both from a creative, popular, and critical standpoint. There is no comparison other than the fact that they're both crude pop stars. All other similarity is imagined. I agree with you. But in all seriousness, did you NOT read the title and OP of this thread? or why are you getting so defensive about the comparison? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklistedd 599 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I agree with you. But in all seriousness, did you NOT read the title of this thread? or why are you getting so defensive about the comparison? Uh...I gave my two cents about the topic of this thread like 2 pages ago which im sure you'd agree with. But in reading the arguments popping up I felt inclined to say its kind of illogical to even ponder their similarities like they have any. This whole Madonna vs. Gaga thing has gotten beyond exhausting at this point wouldn't you agree? I mean whats to compare about these two albums? There aren't any real similarities. This is just brought up to try and create more of a dialogue about Gaga in relation to Madonna and for what? Why is it always about Madonna. Why don't we compare ARTPOP to someone else's pop record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Madonna was intentionally doing everything possible to offend everyone so no. Gaga would rather cry on twitter about criticizing English papers or whatever the hell it was. Basically Madonna went FULL ON BAT **** CRAZY. Not a single popstar of today has the balls to do what she did. If Gaga did that next era, would she be bigger than she is now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelic 1,098 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Uh...I gave my two cents about the topic of this thread like 2 pages ago which im sure you'd agree with. But in reading the arguments popping up I felt inclined to say its kind of illogical to even ponder their similarities like they have any. This whole Madonna vs. Gaga thing has gotten beyond exhausting at this point wouldn't you agree? I mean whats to compare about these two albums? There aren't any real similarities. This is just brought up to try and create more of a dialogue about Gaga in relation to Madonna and for what? Why is it always about Madonna. Why don't we compare ARTPOP to someone else's pop record. Well I completely agree that Madonna vs Gaga comparisons are exhausting. But the point of this thread is to compare the 1st decline in sales of these 2 pop stars, after coming from ther career's peaks. My point was that Madonna's decline was probably caused by the drastic change of image and sound (for her). As for Gaga it's all the way around, she tried to recreate things and themes she had done in the past with a new arty touch, still people weren't attracted to her approach. Conclusion... there is no formula for success! That was my only point 'cuz like I said in prior post, when it comes to these 2 albums I like ARTPOP better! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelic 1,098 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I see ARTPOP more similar to hard candy tbh Could you please elaborate? I'm intrigued! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Perry 1 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I get your point but it worries me that we're comparing ARTPOP to Erotica (an album that was released 10 years into Madonna's career and Gaga is only 6 years into hers). This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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