VforVendetta 2,024 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Targeting. :P 1. They were totally, but they also connected better. They were from her, but were also crafted to be more relatable. 2. Yes, but she doesn't have as many self-specific lyrics imo. 3. She was with TF/TFM/and some of BTW, but that is also when people were kind of losing interest in her lyrics. :P She hasn't gotten as much lyrical praise with ARTPOP at all. 4. They are more unique- even with TF/TFM than most of Katy's. But yes, because they have different goals lyrically it shouldn't matter and the comparisons are absolutely pointless. All artists do, but they have to make their ego connect with people. Gaga's just isn't connecting. She lost the connection and is struggling to get it back. How hard is that to understand? Is there some Gaga complex that makes people unable to admit that she might have flaws musically and that Katy is more successful at pulling people in and capturing their attention with fun lyrics? Prism and ARTPOP came out months ago so this shouldn't even be an issue anymore. lolGaga is not a new artist and they are not gonna praise her for such things still after 5 years. ARTPOP has some of her best lyrics and BTW/ARTPOP have much better lyrics with difference from TF/TFM imo. Anyway AP didn't get love from critics anyway so it doesn't really matter for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Katy's lyrics and Katy-Bonnie lyrics have.a unique flavour and personality you don't get in other Dr. Luke songs. Now Wrecking Ball, that's a stock generic pop ballad, could have been sung by Kelly Clarkson or any female.Katy's songs aren't generic than Wrecking Ball and as much as I dislike Miley WB is a great song and with much better vocals even if its generic. Uncondolotionally is a 10 times more generic lyrics and production than WB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyodisko 0 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Gaga is not a new artist and they are not gonna praise her for such things still after 5 years. ARTPOP has some of her best lyrics and BTW/ARTPOP have much better lyrics with difference from TF/TFM imo. Anyway AP didn't get love from critics anyway so it doesn't really matter for me. I think TF/TFM lyrics were better from a pop perspective. I also thought AP had some of the worst for the majority. I like the choruses, but I feel like she wasn't writing the verses as well this time, like she was trying to make them simple for the GP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
codymonster 8,685 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 -Gaga: Can sing live -Katy: Can't sing live End of thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GypsyDope 0 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 But Katy can't sing wait Katy sings this is news to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 WB is a great song and with much better vocals even if its generic. Uncondolotionally is a 10 times more generic lyrics and production than WB. Yes, Uncle is the worst Katy single ever. Thought it was crappy in October too when everyone though it would smash. Trying too hard to be serious, emotional. and ballady. Katy-Bonnie more consistently produce good songs than Katy alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GypsyDope 0 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Uncle is the worst Katy single ever. Thought it was crappy in October too when everyone though it would smash. Trying too hard to be serious, emotional. and ballady. Katy-Bonnie more consistently produce good songs than Katy alone. Thinking Of You darlin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GypsyDope 0 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Both Katy and Gaga are songwriters, both have a unique image and good videos. Before anyone gets on their high horse about Dr. Luke and Bonnie McKee, remember Gaga has struggled to be a consistent hitmaker without RedOne. Both do best as part of a song-making team correction Gaga is a songwriter.. Katy *freestyles*,,,, Gaga has a bizzare unique image. Katy has a candy image.. Gaga makes videos that take time to identify. Katy makes short-ass videos with limited themes.... And actually Gaga writes all her songs alone... TF was a cheap album but sold plenty. TFM is the real Gaga js Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I think TF/TFM lyrics were better from a pop perspective. I also thought AP had some of the worst for the majority. I like the choruses, but I feel like she wasn't writing the verses as well this time, like she was trying to make them simple for the GP. I don't really believe that tbh. Most of the lyrics on BTW and AP are very poetic and genious imo. I don't also like the expression "from a pop perspective", you try to put Gaga into the some restrictions so that she can have hits and be successful by following trends. The difference is that Gaga is known for putting her own limits and making her own rules. "She makes the pop perspectives." I also noticed that in the thread that you make AP into 8 tracks. You didn't put the songs you like the most but the songs that are most appealing and promise more commercial success. I don't agree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neptune 156 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Targeting. :P 1. They were totally, but they also connected better. They were from her, but were also crafted to be more relatable. 2. Yes, but she doesn't have as many self-specific lyrics imo. 3. She was with TF/TFM/and some of BTW, but that is also when people were kind of losing interest in her lyrics. :P She hasn't gotten as much lyrical praise with ARTPOP at all. 4. They are more unique- even with TF/TFM than most of Katy's. But yes, because they have different goals lyrically it shouldn't matter and the comparisons are absolutely pointless. All artists do, but they have to make their ego connect with people. Gaga's just isn't connecting. She lost the connection and is struggling to get it back. How hard is that to understand? Is there some Gaga complex that makes people unable to admit that she might have flaws musically and that Katy is more successful at pulling people in and capturing their attention with fun lyrics? Prism and ARTPOP came out months ago so this shouldn't even be an issue anymore. lol When Katy has lost the connection her team moves past it fast and moves on to something else. They're excellent at their jobs. I wish Gaga had a better team for marketing and pr. They do? Does an actor have to have a connection with his audience? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyodisko 0 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I don't really believe that tbh. Most of the lyrics on BTW and AP are very poetic and genious imo. I don't also like the expression "from a pop perspective", you try to put Gaga into the some restrictions so that she can have hits and be successful by following trends. The difference is that Gaga is known for putting her own limits and making her own rules. "She makes the pop perspectives." I also noticed that in the thread that you make AP into 8 tracks. You didn't put the songs you like the most but the songs that are most appealing and promise more commercial success. I don't agree with that. I tried to balance the songs I like most with what everyone else would also like most. No one should be selfish about Gaga's music in either direction, which is a huge problem in this fanbase. I love when Gaga is successful, she loves when she is successful, and the fanbase loves when she is successful. I chose mostly songs that I love. Fashion and MJH would have been swapped out for Applause and Dope if I had to change anything- but I know MJH and Fashion are not her best songs, so that's why I didn't select them. I just want her to be her best all around. BTW lyrics were a big switch, but still creative. I just think most of AP is a lot more simple- too simple tbh. MJH and Venus were probably the most creative songs on AP imo. They do? Does an actor have to have a connection with his audience? That's an actor and not a musician. Totally different mediums to be translating across and completely different products they are selling. That argument isn't even worth responding to right now. All I'll say is that yes, sometimes it in necessary with acting. Opinions on actors can make or break a movie. Opinions on a musician are more immediate, because you have a direct message. Also if the actor doesn't connect to the audience then they aren't considered a good actor... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANiCURE 61 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Why do some of you give so much of a **** about Katy compared to Gaga? Why compare? Why!?!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Gaga has a bizarre unique image. Katy has a candy image.. Katy's image is still pretty darn unique and original in pop history. So doesn't get compared to past pop stars much. Miley's bad girl schtick is so "been there done that." Katy brings an empowerment message and a sense of humour too, not just cutsiness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I tried to balance the songs I like most with what everyone else would also like most. No one should be selfish about Gaga's music in either direction, which is a huge problem in this fanbase. I love when Gaga is successful, she loves when she is successful, and the fanbase loves when she is successful. I chose mostly songs that I love. Fashion and MJH would have been swapped out for Applause and Dope if I had to change anything- but I know MJH and Fashion are not her best songs, so that's why I didn't select them. I just want her to be her best all around. BTW lyrics were a big switch, but still creative. I just think most of AP is a lot more simple- too simple tbh. MJH and Venus were probably the most creative songs on AP imo. That's an actor and not a musician. Totally different mediums to be translating across and completely different products they are selling. That argument isn't even worth responding to right now. All I'll say is that yes, sometimes it in necessary with acting. Opinions on actors can make or break a movie. Opinions on a musician are more immediate, because you have a direct message.How can ARTPOP lyrics be more simple than lyrics on TF or even TFM though? I think you are ovetestimating their lyrical part. Especially TF doesn't have lyrics even half complex like BTW and ARTPOP. I really can't fine the songs you have in your mind especially when ARTPOP has songs like Aura, Venus, Sexxx Dreams, ARTPOP, MJH, Fashion!, Dope, Gypsy or even Applause that have unique and very potic lyrics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyodisko 0 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Katy's image is still pretty darn unique and original in pop history. So doesn't get compared to past pop stars much. Miley's bad girl schtick is so "been there done that." Katy brings an empowerment message and a sense of humour too, not just cutsiness I think what MIley has that makes the bad girl, tongue in cheek image unique for her is that she is a former Disney child who didn't go ape**** in her private life. haha Also her hipster/hip hop combo was made for success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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