Why I Don't Like ARTPOP

[Whispering 18,865]

I like to comment on the part about where she posted about all those articles hating on her during the DWUW era. The whole song DWUW is about haters sayinf whatever they want and she doesn't care, right? So I think her posting all of that just shows that she doesn't care what they say, and it all looks ridiculous. I don't think she's really 'responding' to it, but more like saying '**** you.' But that's just my opinion!

 

You are correct and of course, this was discussed IN DEPTH multiple times, FIVE MONTHS AGO!

 

For some reason, it is being brought up again, like it is brand new information.   The texts are being taken out of context and reframed as something they weren't.

But hey...when a bunch of SNL skits are being used as "proof" of Gaga breaking the fourth wall (DUH!!), you know there is a lot of reaching going on here!

[SpaceAce 1,058]

The same old things said over and over, months after events have taken place, are useless. Wallowing in negativity and repeating topics from months ago isn't intelligent conversation. The 100th thread on "why didn't we get the DWUW video" is ridiculous, not intelligent.

 

This is yet another thread, for the exact same people to whine and complain about the current album.

 

Not everyone spends their lives on the internet. I'm betting this is the first time Tokyo Rose has gotten the chance to discuss her thoughts. And yes, in comparison to what you have to offer here, very little can be considered intelligent conversation.

[Whispering 18,865]

Not everyone spends their lives on the internet. I'm betting this is the first time Tokyo Rose has gotten the chance to discuss her thoughts. And yes, in comparison to what you have to offer here, very little can be considered intelligent conversation.

Yeah right, I see posts from the OP everyday here, many of them expressing how she feels about ARTPOP.

 

The OP has been too busy expressing their thoughts about ARTPOP, the G.U.Y. video or posting Xtina gifs to "discuss her thoughts" on an album that has been out since November and on tweets that happened five months ago. :haha:

[Donatello 129]

It all comes down to there being something fundamentally different and off about Gaga. I've been very suspicious of her this era. I think there's a lot about the post-BTWB blackout that we don't know, including things that Gaga is guilty of herself. Unpopular opinion alert: I do think the hip surgery was fake.

 

I look back at TF-BTW music videos, monstervisions, interviews and there's thing about Gaga which I just can't explain. She's just fierce honest and knows exactly what she wants and more. This era she's seemed different. I can't explain it. She's just not the same.

 

There are definitely 2 factors in play which affect her work:

 

1) MONEY. She can afford to be careless, she now hasn't got that sense of urgency and desperation to 'make it', that survival instinct. Her best tour - TMB - was the product of lots of hard work to pay off a massive debt. Money also affects her team - she can afford to keep amateurs around.

 

2) LAZINESS. She's achieved her dream and more, selling out stadiums. Any person would be slightly more laid back and less motivated to keep the engine burning. It's fun the first time, then it becomes routine.

[SpadesToStart 3,444]

I do see where you're coming from.  However, we all need to remember that Gaga is human.  If she is constantly taking a battering from critics, the media, etc., it's going to seep into her creativity and her work.  I however, think she channeled it marvelously in the example of Do What U Want and the SNL "old gaga" sketch. 

 

Also, did you ever stop to consider that the reason Gaga was so fearless with Born This Way because she was untouchable during her previous era?  Gaga was on top of the world post-TFM, and she knew it, and she used that power to do whatever the hell she wanted with BTW.  She was not in that position coming into and throughout ARTPOP.

 

We all like to imagine that Gaga is this impregnable bastion of creativity, but she is also a pop star and public figure, which makes her extra vulnerable to criticism from society. 

[Miel 15,009]

Also, and I'm not sure if it was a big factor or not, there seemed to be a time last year when she seemed incredibly down. I don't know if it was a personal issue, the media, or both, but it definitely affected her. I remember there being serious talk about management and internal issues, both in the business sense and the human sense, that really got her down.

 

I'm just glad she's doing better now. I feel like it was easy to tell that the initial ARTPOP start was very off. She seems like she's gotten her drive back, now, with all the new work and Roseland and the tour and such.

 

I'm just glad she's better now.

[SpadesToStart 3,444]

I look back at TF-BTW music videos, monstervisions, interviews and there's thing about Gaga which I just can't explain. She's just fierce honest and knows exactly what she wants and more. This era she's seemed different. I can't explain it. She's just not the same.

I think Gaga is in a period of transition with ARTPOP--musically, personally, and career-wise. 

 

With TF and TFM, Gaga had the drive to be the biggest superstar on the planet.  And she pretty much unequivocally achieved that goal by the end of TFM era. 

 

Then what was her next move?  She wrote BTW for two reasons.

1. She wanted to empower all of her disenfranchised fans and make them feel loved.  This really drove her during the BTW era.

2. She felt suffocated by all of the fame and wanted to write something rebellious, something that was distinctly not electropop and totally different from what she'd done before.  I think Gaga purposefully wrote BTW knowing alot of people wouldn't like it and that it would drive away a lot of people.  She said that people kept telling her "we just want you to be beautiful", so that's why the fashion/make-up of the BTW era so garish/punk/gothic.

 

Now with ARTPOP, Gaga's not really sure what she wants to do. This doesn't mean I don't love ARTPOP, because I really do (it's my second favorite album of hers).  But this era has shown me that personally and professionally, Gaga doesn't know what she wants.  Does she want to follow her muse, get wrapped up in performance art, and write whatever music she wants?  Does she want to retake the pop music crown? (which means the rulebook gets pushed closer and closer)  Or does she want to retire, have kids with Taylor, and just play and write music for her friends and family?

[Donatello 129]

She said that people kept telling her "we just want you to be beautiful", so that's why the fashion/make-up of the BTW era so garish/punk/gothic.

 

She was told to be beautiful during ARTPOP, not BTW. 

 

BTW, which Gaga views as the 'prequel' album, had punk denim and leather inspired by her Lower East Side roots. From a marketing perspective, they wouldn't want Gaga beautiful anyway because she was supposed to appeal to disenfranchised youth.

 

Then in ARTPOP, her management said you already have the youth, now we want you to be beautiful and to appeal to different demographics.

[Redstreak 6,653]

 

 

Fans having opinions and intelligent thoughts about Gaga's work is a good thing and something I'm sure she'd encourage. This mindless following she has with people like you is disturbing and not healthy.

It's also kinda disturbing and unhealthy to think your opinion is final. People liking what you don't is not a "mindless following" and it's kinda arrogant to imply such things.

[Miel 15,009]

I do see where you're coming from.  However, we all need to remember that Gaga is human.  If she is constantly taking a battering from critics, the media, etc., it's going to seep into her creativity and her work.  I however, think she channeled it marvelously in the example of Do What U Want and the SNL "old gaga" sketch. 

 

Also, did you ever stop to consider that the reason Gaga was so fearless with Born This Way because she was untouchable during her previous era?  Gaga was on top of the world post-TFM, and she knew it, and she used that power to do whatever the hell she wanted with BTW.  She was not in that position coming into and throughout ARTPOP.

 

We all like to imagine that Gaga is this impregnable bastion of creativity, but she is also a pop star and public figure, which makes her extra vulnerable to criticism from society. 

 

:)

[shaneybaby 450]

you know why i dont like you? this thread 

[Guest]

because it's an amazing song bye

Its not I love the lyrics and the last part of the song but in my opinion, poker face, telephone & G.U.Y are Gagas worst songs.

[Tokyo Rose 1,475]

you know why i dont like you? this thread 

 

Well, no offense, but this thread is more geared towards people who can have a respectful and open discussion without resorting to saying petty things like "I don't like you"

 

You don't know me, and you never will know me. Telling me you "don't like me" is irrelevant and it's just meant to be hurtful. 

[Tokyo Rose 1,475]

Yeah right, I see posts from the OP everyday here, many of them expressing how she feels about ARTPOP.

 

The OP has been too busy expressing their thoughts about ARTPOP, the G.U.Y. video or posting Xtina gifs to "discuss her thoughts" on an album that has been out since November and on tweets that happened five months ago. :haha:

 

What? I was posting Xtina gifs on April Fools, just like the mods pretended to be "Katy Kats" that day. 

 

What does that have to do with anything? 

 

If you really think I have said any of this before, I invite you to PROVE IT.

[Slayer 9,227]

It all comes down to there being something fundamentally different and off about Gaga. I've been very suspicious of her this era. I think there's a lot about the post-BTWB blackout that we don't know, including things that Gaga is guilty of herself. Unpopular opinion alert: I do think the hip surgery was fake.

 

I look back at TF-BTW music videos, monstervisions, interviews and there's thing about Gaga which I just can't explain. She's just fierce honest and knows exactly what she wants and more. This era she's seemed different. I can't explain it. She's just not the same.

 

There are definitely 2 factors in play which affect her work:

 

1) MONEY. She can afford to be careless, she now hasn't got that sense of urgency and desperation to 'make it', that survival instinct. Her best tour - TMB - was the product of lots of hard work to pay off a massive debt. Money also affects her team - she can afford to keep amateurs around.

 

2) LAZINESS. She's achieved her dream and more, selling out stadiums. Any person would be slightly more laid back and less motivated to keep the engine burning. It's fun the first time, then it becomes routine.

 

But why would they fake a hip surgery? What would be the motivation? Why would they do it with just one month left of touring? Why would any management deliberately squander so much money? I completely agree with all your other points, but the thing about the hip surgery just seems like an absurd conspiracy theory.

 

On topic, I think the concept of ARTPOP was just too abstract and separate from the actual content of the album. It seems to me that Gaga sees pop as an art form in itself, but she wants to blend it with fine art, which she has done through her fashion, photo shoots, music videos, and most importantly the concept performances that she did with various different artists.This is where the critics came unstuck. They just listened to the album and said, "Well, where's the art?" And in fairness to them, they're right, because ARTPOP is just a pop album. It worships pop culture: the obsession with s-x, d--gs, money, men, etc. That's one of the many reasons why ARTPOP didn't gel with critics and the public. They expected something more (arty songs) and they just got what Gaga has always given them (pop songs).  

 

Another reason might be that the quality of the songs has genuinely declined. As a huge fan, I honestly think it's her strongest work to date, but maybe I'm just blinded by my love? I don't know.