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Whispering

Any album that's struggling to hit 1M in the US, especially for a supposed album act, is bad in general, at least for me. In addition to that, a single performed thrice in three of the biggest platforms to move record sales and still couldn't get a higher peak than its debut doesn't help either. Is she over? No, as I've said. Is she doing rather bad, chart-wise? Yes. Not only under her standards, but also in general for a Mainstream Top 40 act. 

 

This would mean that all but 8 artists or groups failed or did bad in general in the year 2013 on a worldwide level. Sorry Gaga couldn't be in the top 5 or top 3 top albums AGAIN, but her album was in the top 10 worldwide That's not a failure!

 

Also, two top 10 CHR hits, one a triple platinum seller and one platinum in the U.S, alone, is not "bad" either. A worldwide tour that will end up in the top 10-15 is not struggling either. Interscope and Live Nation are going to make plenty of money off of Gaga this album/tour era!

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This would mean that all but 8 artists or groups failed or did bad in general in the year 2013 on a worldwide level. Sorry Gaga couldn't be in the top 5 or top 3 top albums AGAIN, but her album was in the top 10 worldwide That's not a failure!

 

Also, two top 10 CHR hits, one a triple platinum seller and one platinum in the U.S, alone, is not "bad" either. A worldwide tour that will end up in the top 10-15 is not struggling either. Interscope and Live Nation are going to make plenty of money off of Gaga this album/tour era!

Hence, I pointed out in the US, and not worldwide. Be that as it may, I would say the same thing to any supposed album act whose album could bring a lot of firsts, not flattering ones, to his/her career. A platinum status for a single which was performed thrice in the US and pushed hard, sans a music video release, is an underperformance. The first album from a major act not to produce a top three single is an underperformance. A first album from a major act not to cross the 1 million mark in album sales is an underperformance.

 

And there's nothing wrong about it. Every artist before her have suffered this kind of sales downturn. It's only inevitable. 4th major releases anyway in general usually show a decline in sales - from Britney Spears to Christina Aguilera to Timberlake and even to Beyonce. 

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Whispering

Hence, I pointed out in the US, and not worldwide......

Those album sales outside the U.S. are payed for with real money too! Labels don't care where the money comes from, just so it comes in. :)  Top 10 worldwide is top 10 worldwide. Plus, those concert profits are going to keep everyone very happy! I wish I was over like Gaga! :dies:

 

If Gaga is "over" and "a failure", then there are only EIGHT artist in the world who weren't last year. Good for them I guess...their time will come, when they are in the "lowly top 10 worldwide". 

 

I hope we don't get stuck with the same eight artists every year, you know- those who aren't over, because that will get old quick! ;)

 

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Those album sales outside the U.S. are payed for with real money too! Labels don't care where the money comes from, just so it comes in. :)  Top 10 worldwide is top 10 worldwide. Plus, those concert profits are going to keep everyone very happy! I wish I was over like Gaga! :dies:

 

If Gaga is "over" and "a failure", then there are only EIGHT artist in the world who weren't last year. Good for them I guess...their time will come, when they are in the "lowly top 10 worldwide". 

 

I hope we don't get stuck with the same eight artists every year, you know- those who aren't over, because that will get old quick! ;)

 

And didn't I point out as well that she's far from being over? An underperformance doesn't mean one's career is over. Plus, it should be noted that I didn't argue about revenue at all, it's sales and charts where she under-performed, not touring (since we have yet to see that), not gross income, not net worth, and certainly not being over as a pop star. No one's truly over until the artist retires for good. What I'm arguing is that ever since her debut, her trajectory in sales and charts is on the decline side (which is normal for an artist like her who debuted BIG). Her digital sales per album, her amount of #1s in major music markets per album, and the ones I've pointed out earlier all point that she's clearly under-performing. Again, it's bound to happen like any other artist or brand for that matter. 

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Whispering

it's sales...where she under-performed

A top 10 album for the year worldwide is not underperforming.

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A top 10 album for the year worldwide is not underperforming.

If you say so. But to me, it clearly did, as shown by the sales among other things. It performed less (sold less), not only to her previous works (obviously), but also to her long-time contemporaries like Katy Perry. It's an underperformance, if we're talking about chart positions and sales by any means. Again, there's nothing shameful and wrong about it. She under-performed, not completely went into oblivion. 

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Scarlet Witch

She's at her low in her 6 years of career, but still selling more WW than Bangerz, and near Prism, which are supposedly Miley's and Katy's peak, so that says a lot.

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Ronk

So much talk here about numbers, charts and sales. Fans may like to project their own measures of success upon Gaga, but it is more important to consider Gaga's own measures of success. Does she have creative freedom? Yes, she has gained that. Does she have enough reach to help people? Yes, she is still well known around the world so she can still influence people's lives for the better and make the world a better place by spreading kindness, love, acceptance, bravery, and positivity.

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No! She's alive, happy, healthy, and doing what she loves so she is not over! 

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So much talk here about numbers, charts and sales. Fans may like to project their own measures of success upon Gaga, but it is more important to consider Gaga's own measures of success. Does she have creative freedom? Yes, she has gained that. Does she have enough reach to help people? Yes, she is still well known around the world so she can still influence people's lives for the better and make the world a better place by spreading kindness, love, acceptance, bravery, and positivity.

Charts and sales aren't just a measure of success amongst fans, but to everyone else ever since the rise of commercialism, err even way before it. Rankings and statistics have long existed as the top preferred measure of success in almost every field of life - from sports to business to entertainment to politics and governance to even religion. And this kind of measurement of success doesn't exclude anyone, especially among public figures who seek public approval and satisfaction. Yes, the success of getting one's liberty is important, but so does commercial success as long as they're serving in an industry devoted towards it.  

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look at everyones careers

 

people dip

 

and people rise

 

tides

 

circle of life

 

you better stan

 

- a poem by me

 

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Charts and sales aren't just a measure of success amongst fans, but to everyone else ever since the rise of commercialism, err even way before it. Rankings and statistics have long existed as the top preferred measure of success in almost every field of life - from sports to business to entertainment to politics and governance to even religion. And this kind of measurement of success doesn't exclude anyone, especially among public figures who seek public approval and satisfaction. Yes, the success of getting one's liberty is important, but so does commercial success as long as they're serving in an industry devoted towards it.

One thing that sets Gaga apart is that she puts art ahead of commercialism. It's rare to find an artist that's not all about the charts, and I applaud Gaga for it. She's a breath of fresh air in a commercial industry.

I live outside the space time continuum.
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