Whispering 18,865 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Any album that's struggling to hit 1M in the US, especially for a supposed album act, is bad in general, at least for me. In addition to that, a single performed thrice in three of the biggest platforms to move record sales and still couldn't get a higher peak than its debut doesn't help either. Is she over? No, as I've said. Is she doing rather bad, chart-wise? Yes. Not only under her standards, but also in general for a Mainstream Top 40 act. This would mean that all but 8 artists or groups failed or did bad in general in the year 2013 on a worldwide level. Sorry Gaga couldn't be in the top 5 or top 3 top albums AGAIN, but her album was in the top 10 worldwide That's not a failure! Also, two top 10 CHR hits, one a triple platinum seller and one platinum in the U.S, alone, is not "bad" either. A worldwide tour that will end up in the top 10-15 is not struggling either. Interscope and Live Nation are going to make plenty of money off of Gaga this album/tour era! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills 446 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 This would mean that all but 8 artists or groups failed or did bad in general in the year 2013 on a worldwide level. Sorry Gaga couldn't be in the top 5 or top 3 top albums AGAIN, but her album was in the top 10 worldwide That's not a failure! Also, two top 10 CHR hits, one a triple platinum seller and one platinum in the U.S, alone, is not "bad" either. A worldwide tour that will end up in the top 10-15 is not struggling either. Interscope and Live Nation are going to make plenty of money off of Gaga this album/tour era! Hence, I pointed out in the US, and not worldwide. Be that as it may, I would say the same thing to any supposed album act whose album could bring a lot of firsts, not flattering ones, to his/her career. A platinum status for a single which was performed thrice in the US and pushed hard, sans a music video release, is an underperformance. The first album from a major act not to produce a top three single is an underperformance. A first album from a major act not to cross the 1 million mark in album sales is an underperformance. And there's nothing wrong about it. Every artist before her have suffered this kind of sales downturn. It's only inevitable. 4th major releases anyway in general usually show a decline in sales - from Britney Spears to Christina Aguilera to Timberlake and even to Beyonce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Hence, I pointed out in the US, and not worldwide...... Those album sales outside the U.S. are payed for with real money too! Labels don't care where the money comes from, just so it comes in. :) Top 10 worldwide is top 10 worldwide. Plus, those concert profits are going to keep everyone very happy! I wish I was over like Gaga! If Gaga is "over" and "a failure", then there are only EIGHT artist in the world who weren't last year. Good for them I guess...their time will come, when they are in the "lowly top 10 worldwide". I hope we don't get stuck with the same eight artists every year, you know- those who aren't over, because that will get old quick! ;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills 446 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Those album sales outside the U.S. are payed for with real money too! Labels don't care where the money comes from, just so it comes in. :) Top 10 worldwide is top 10 worldwide. Plus, those concert profits are going to keep everyone very happy! I wish I was over like Gaga! If Gaga is "over" and "a failure", then there are only EIGHT artist in the world who weren't last year. Good for them I guess...their time will come, when they are in the "lowly top 10 worldwide". I hope we don't get stuck with the same eight artists every year, you know- those who aren't over, because that will get old quick! ;) And didn't I point out as well that she's far from being over? An underperformance doesn't mean one's career is over. Plus, it should be noted that I didn't argue about revenue at all, it's sales and charts where she under-performed, not touring (since we have yet to see that), not gross income, not net worth, and certainly not being over as a pop star. No one's truly over until the artist retires for good. What I'm arguing is that ever since her debut, her trajectory in sales and charts is on the decline side (which is normal for an artist like her who debuted BIG). Her digital sales per album, her amount of #1s in major music markets per album, and the ones I've pointed out earlier all point that she's clearly under-performing. Again, it's bound to happen like any other artist or brand for that matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 it's sales...where she under-performed A top 10 album for the year worldwide is not underperforming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsfabio 112 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills 446 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 A top 10 album for the year worldwide is not underperforming. If you say so. But to me, it clearly did, as shown by the sales among other things. It performed less (sold less), not only to her previous works (obviously), but also to her long-time contemporaries like Katy Perry. It's an underperformance, if we're talking about chart positions and sales by any means. Again, there's nothing shameful and wrong about it. She under-performed, not completely went into oblivion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Witch 1,632 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 She's at her low in her 6 years of career, but still selling more WW than Bangerz, and near Prism, which are supposedly Miley's and Katy's peak, so that says a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 So much talk here about numbers, charts and sales. Fans may like to project their own measures of success upon Gaga, but it is more important to consider Gaga's own measures of success. Does she have creative freedom? Yes, she has gained that. Does she have enough reach to help people? Yes, she is still well known around the world so she can still influence people's lives for the better and make the world a better place by spreading kindness, love, acceptance, bravery, and positivity. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOriginalOne 10,687 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Pfff no Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urban 9 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 No! She's alive, happy, healthy, and doing what she loves so she is not over! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky 39 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills 446 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 So much talk here about numbers, charts and sales. Fans may like to project their own measures of success upon Gaga, but it is more important to consider Gaga's own measures of success. Does she have creative freedom? Yes, she has gained that. Does she have enough reach to help people? Yes, she is still well known around the world so she can still influence people's lives for the better and make the world a better place by spreading kindness, love, acceptance, bravery, and positivity. Charts and sales aren't just a measure of success amongst fans, but to everyone else ever since the rise of commercialism, err even way before it. Rankings and statistics have long existed as the top preferred measure of success in almost every field of life - from sports to business to entertainment to politics and governance to even religion. And this kind of measurement of success doesn't exclude anyone, especially among public figures who seek public approval and satisfaction. Yes, the success of getting one's liberty is important, but so does commercial success as long as they're serving in an industry devoted towards it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieHWilson 684 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 look at everyones careers people dip and people rise tides circle of life you better stan - a poem by me great nonsequitur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Charts and sales aren't just a measure of success amongst fans, but to everyone else ever since the rise of commercialism, err even way before it. Rankings and statistics have long existed as the top preferred measure of success in almost every field of life - from sports to business to entertainment to politics and governance to even religion. And this kind of measurement of success doesn't exclude anyone, especially among public figures who seek public approval and satisfaction. Yes, the success of getting one's liberty is important, but so does commercial success as long as they're serving in an industry devoted towards it. One thing that sets Gaga apart is that she puts art ahead of commercialism. It's rare to find an artist that's not all about the charts, and I applaud Gaga for it. She's a breath of fresh air in a commercial industry. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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