Galactastica 314 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I think a lot of the people on here that are bashing feminism in a small or large way may not entirely understand what feminism is. It's not a group of equal humans yelling for equality. There are reasons that people need to stand for equality amongst certain groups. Women, African Americans, LGBT, they are all communities within our society that have been abused, held down, and degraded throughout history. THAT'S why it's important to put names to the groups trying to right those wrongs, raise awareness and level the playing field with the communities doing the abuse. Sure, woman are half the population, but there are still reasons we are not equal, whether it's pay, legal rights, or the music industry. Sure, we wish we didn't have to have these titles to things, but we do. You can't have "good people just being good people" because there's no message behind that. I, too, wish we lived in a candy land where we didn't have to have labels for activism, but hoping it so doesn't mean it's functional or logical. Feminism is not thinking women should be the only ones to vote, be the breadwinners while the man stays home with the babies or wear cargo pants, it means that we want an equal playing field on life. Being an African American rights activist doesn't mean you want the white people to work for less, put them in special communities, or turn the tables, you just want to equal the playing field on life. Any woman that doesn't consider herself a feminist I have to give the stink eye too, honestly. It's like a gay person not wanting gay rights to improve. It's like an African American not fighting for civil rights. It's just downright confusing and sad! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahkeenasitka 1,995 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Well she's in control of her life, she makes her millions by herself and she's in charge of her career. No matter what she says on this interview or in that interview, she is one. She's not a traditional feminist for sure, she's a modern feminist. A lot of people mistaken feminism as man hating, being against marriage, running around naked on protests ect. but truth is there are many types of feminism out there. There would be NO LADY GAGA if it weren't for feminism. #1) Feminists gave women the right to vote. And the ability to earn an income without depending on a man. #2) Any woman who is empowered enough to live a life of their own self-determination is consciously or subconsciously a feminist. If a woman believes in her own self-worth enough to stand up for her rights as a human being, she is a feminist. #3) The only reason why an artist such as Lady Gaga is capable of existing in this day and age is because of decades of groundwork that was laid before her by generations of women who fought for their rights and their ability to live a life according to their own creativity, self-expression and personal goals. I would not be able to live a life without a husband and kids if it weren't for the generations of women who came before me that gave me permission to live according to my own personal desires rather than the expectations forced upon me by family, religion, and social norms. Gaga is a highly individualistic, creatively empowered and liberation-centered human being. I believe she is not only a feminist, but a powerful embodiment of feminine divinity on planet earth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy scheisse 22,254 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 SHe;s more of a gay rights advocate than a feminism advocate lmao but i think she identifies as being both Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahkeenasitka 1,995 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Y'all can bash feminism all you want, but you are clearly misguided. Feminism gave women: 1) power over their own bodies - incuding s-xual freedom & abortion. 2) the right to vote. 3) the right to live as free human beings. 4) the ability to earn an income doing jobs that aren't just nursing and teaching. 5) the ability to reach for their dreams. 6) it enabled women be able to not be forced to depend exclusively on men for their survival. 7) it enabled women to do anything. be anything. create anything. be free. 8) feminism empowered women to be s-xually free and to explore their own s-xual pleasure. The opposite of feminism is: women being in arranged marriages, centuries of women being bought and sold to men like cattle or slaves, women's bodies being used for procreation, women being concubines, in harems, multiple wives, and being trapped in a world run by men for their men's needs and never living according their own desires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judas Oyster 1,914 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 It depends on the perspective of the word feminism, what it means for you. In my eyes she is a feminist because she empowers women and show them that they can to whatever they want, by showing how long she has come, being a women. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmTheX 0 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 i don't get why people think feminism means 'man cooking and cleaning and woman working'. That's allright, I mean, but what if the woman wants to be the one who cooks. Is that being a non-femist? For me, feminism means letting the woman have a choice, even if her choice isn't working but making dinner to her man and ironing her shirts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 idk it just annoyed me, if man can tell woman what to do (and they/we usually do) than why can't woman tell men what to do? Well i really don't wanna get into that, the reason this annoyed me was because I've always thought of gaga as a powerful and badass chick. the whole point of G.U.Y. is that sometimes a powerful and badass chick can enjoy willingly giving up control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkin 100 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I think she is a feminist at her core I think that gaga is a feminist at her core. refer to the third wave feminist definition posted on page one. i don't get why people think feminism means 'man cooking and cleaning and woman working'. That's allright, I mean, but what if the woman wants to be the one who cooks. Is that being a non-femist? For me, feminism means letting the woman have a choice, even if her choice isn't working but making dinner to her man and ironing her shirts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink sushi 4,351 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I certainly hope she's a feminist..... Marina is one of the biggest feminists out there!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfitted 0 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 she is. and yes that interview with showstudio explains it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahkeenasitka 1,995 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 the whole point of G.U.Y. is that sometimes a powerful and badass chick can enjoy willingly giving up control. i am a feminist and have identified as one since I was 18 (I'm 34 now) - but when I'm in bed with a man, I want a man who can take me down and throw me around. I think that's similar to what Gaga was expressing. When you're making love, as a woman - you want to surrender to a man's virility & strength. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,829 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Yes, Gaga is a feminist, she's just unafraid to admit it now. She was once one of many women who are hesitant to define themselves as feminists for fear of being assumed to be misandrist lesbians. I wouldn't be surprised if misogynists started this stereotype to make women shy away from joining the cause and its sure worked. Luckily, Gaga's reclaimed her feminist status and is also educated on what being a feminist actually means. It's unfortunate that a lot of full grown women have to shake off ignorance that they previously held about feminism because they'd been misled about it by society for so long. Let's face it, most women who grew up in the 90's and 00's have learned about feminism from the likes of Spice Girls and Beyonce and neither of them are a credible source. As one of them, I had to re-think a lot of my stances over the last few years as I felt I'd bought into a lot of lies about what female empowerment was really all about. I defs get what you're saying! I guess what I mean is I hate the labelling of it, because then it is able to get tainted by ideas and such. I know that that is what feminism is supposed to be, but the idea of it has been so twisted through time. That's why if it just was pure equality, without the labelling of "being feminist" it wouldn't have to be a divided group. Just people being good people. But yes, I DO agree with you. I guess I'm more rebelling against societies use of labels that can be manipulated then feminism :) But you can't just not identify with a label just because some people have misinterpreted what it means. That's their problem. This is why feminists need to start reclaiming the term. As we've seen with Gaga, even she too, was once reluctant to call herself a feminist because of how she could be incorrectly judged because of it. We need to make clear what the term actually means as opposed to how society had twisted it. The cause won't be taken seriously otherwise. Any woman that doesn't consider herself a feminist I have to give the stink eye too, honestly. It's like a gay person not wanting gay rights to improve. It's like an African American not fighting for civil rights. It's just downright confusing and sad! Preach it. Every woman should be a feminist. Why wouldn't someone want their gender/race/s-xual orientation etc. to have 100% respect, rights and freedoms as the "master" genders/races/s-xual orientations? It's sad when I hear intelligent, educated, liberal-thinking women state that they aren't feminists. It's so hypocritical, as they have university degrees, high flying careers and have their own house and money. None of these things would have been possible for them without feminism. People like Emily Davison endured jail and eventually died in order to give women the rights they have today. And still today, there are women in third world countries suffering for the cause in the same way. They'd be turning in their graves if they knew that today's generation spat all that back in their faces, are completely ignorant about how women got the privilages they have today and are enjoying the fruits of feminism but are not prepared to call themselves feminists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teo 609 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 There would be NO LADY GAGA if it weren't for feminism. #1) Feminists gave women the right to vote. And the ability to earn an income without depending on a man. #2) Any woman who is empowered enough to live a life of their own self-determination is consciously or subconsciously a feminist. If a woman believes in her own self-worth enough to stand up for her rights as a human being, she is a feminist. #3) The only reason why an artist such as Lady Gaga is capable of existing in this day and age is because of decades of groundwork that was laid before her by generations of women who fought for their rights and their ability to live a life according to their own creativity, self-expression and personal goals. I would not be able to live a life without a husband and kids if it weren't for the generations of women who came before me that gave me permission to live according to my own personal desires rather than the expectations forced upon me by family, religion, and social norms. Gaga is a highly individualistic, creatively empowered and liberation-centered human being. I believe she is not only a feminist, but a powerful embodiment of feminine divinity on planet earth. That's what I meant! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahkeenasitka 1,995 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Every woman should be a feminist. Why wouldn't someone want their gender/race/s-xual orientation etc. to have 100% respect, rights and freedoms as the "master" genders/races/s-xual orientations? It's sad when I hear intelligent, educated, liberal-thinking women state that they aren't feminists. It's so hypocritical, as they have university degrees, high flying careers and have their own house and money. None of these things would have been possible for them without feminism. People like Emily Davison endured jail and eventually died in order to give women the rights they have today. And still today, there are women in third world countries suffering for the cause in the same way. They'd be turning in their graves if they knew that today's generation spat all that back in their faces, are completely ignorant about how women got the privilages they have today and are enjoying the fruits of feminism but are not prepared to call themselves feminists. yes, yes & yes. i was a women's studies minor in college, so I took the feminist thing pretty seriously back in the day. to me, feminism is the reason why women have all the kinds of freedoms they do in modern civilization... that women in many other cultures do not have. I, for one, am immeasurably grateful for the work of the Suffragettes and all the political activist work of the feminists in the 60s & 70s. They allowed our generation of women to be free! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 Yes, Gaga is a feminist, she's just unafraid to admit it now. She was once one of many women who are hesitant to define themselves as feminists for fear of being assumed to be misandrist lesbians. I wouldn't be surprised if misogynists started this stereotype to make women shy away from joining the cause and its sure worked. Luckily, Gaga's reclaimed her feminist status and is also educated on what being a feminist actually means. It's unfortunate that a lot of full grown women have to shake off ignorance that they previously held about feminism because they'd been misled about it by society for so long. Let's face it, most women who grew up in the 90's and 00's have learned about feminism from the likes of Spice Girls and Beyonce and neither of them are a credible source. As one of them, I had to re-think a lot of my stances over the last few years as I felt I'd bought into a lot of lies about what female empowerment was really all about. What do you make of Gaga's comment that women shouldn't tell men what to do in a relationship? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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