Lets Party 0 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 It's not besides the point! And do you understand that many Muslims live in Israel in peace with Jews? The promise land is split between several religions. Israels owns the land and they protect themselves from extremists. It's as simple as that. I don't understand what you don't get? This is not about muslims. This is about the treatment of Palestinians. The fact you call it the promised land says it all really, god is not an estate agent, it is not promised to anyone. How can you justify holding Palestinians in apartheid as defending? They are oppressing an enitre group of people because they believe the land is theirs as they are the chosen people. The fact is israel does not treat the Palestinians as human, they break international law and go againt many human rights, as published by many reputable sources, you can deny all you want but these are facts, no one is going to ignore all this under the pretence of israel just protecting itself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Same doubt can be taken for the other side. Yeah, I heard of them... I am myself not religious at all. I don't pay attention for the one who desperately seek for it. What do you think about Dr. Waffa Sultan? I didn't ask you about being religious, I was just wondering what do you think of their reasons not to be pro-Israeli even they are by themselves Jews? I don't know what to think of that woman (is it a woman?), but I can see MemriTv sign and it's founded by a Zionist Jew Yigal Carmon ( IDF Intelligence from 1968–88), that channel is propaganda tool of your goverment as its choosing the worst from Arab world to translate to people in the West. Very biased channel. Being a Jew is dangerous today in the Arab world. Persecuted Jews from all over the world left all they had and immigrate to Israel. If you look at the history Jews were always persecuted by the Christians, they were seeking refuge in Islamic Spain - Andalusia, they lived fine for centuries in Morocco, Tunisia etc. Nowdays I believe they are not favored in Arab world because other Arabs empathize with Palestinians. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DancingQueen 0 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 You obviously are having a hard time hearing the truth, you know the saying the truth hurts. Every fan has the right to see Gaga, even those in Palestine. Maybe if Israel stopped it's apartheid ruling then every fan of Gaga could freely see her but that is not the case as present. israel is not going to stop anything because of lady gaga. also, "Every fan has the right to see Gaga" - so how come you want to deprive the ones that CAN attend and have probably been waiting for years, only because there are some that can't go to the show? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 israel is not going to stop anything because of lady gaga. also, "Every fan has the right to see Gaga" - so how come you want to deprive the ones that CAN attend and have probably been waiting for years, only because there are some that can't go to the show? This is not about them doing anything for Gaga. If she cancels it will show, just like when stephen hawking boycotted israel that we will not stand for the treatment of Palestinians. Those fans who would see her in tel aviv are free to see her wherever they want in what ever country they want, they are under israeli law. The Palestinians however are under Military law, another big difference in how the 2 are differently treated/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,016 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 ARE YOU SERIOUS? You're so antisemic and you make the people here to think that Israel is a third world country, and it's officially NOT! Don't listen to him, he is an idiot and I can say that because he make people think bad things at us! Gaga preformed in Israel in 2009 and the show was great! Just great! You are not a monster cause a monster needs to promote kindness and love to others. The situation here is not as you described here, we know that if we'll accept the palatines they do in the streets bad things and terror, the hate us. You are stupid Can you please DELETE this thread? The Poster is promoting Offline Kindness and Acceptance, I think you need to sit down. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 So? Will they get their property back? No. Palestinians can enter Israel by checkpoints, Just like the US-Mexico border or any other normal border outside of the EU. What's wrong with that? This is not an apartheid as they are not Israeli citizens. period. Since when Israel, or any other country, is suppose to invest money in a territory that is belong to another political entity? their poor infrastructure is their problem. Are you seriously going to compare what leaders have said when almost any Arab leader called at least once for Israel being destroyed? You seriously are so ill informed on this topic. It is their problem because YOUR government does not allow them to build!! It sanctions everything from them, how is this fair. No on can support this Not only does Israel interfere with Palestinian housing and building construction, it also plays an active role in demolishing existing buildings and homes in Palestinian areas. From 2000 to 2007 Israel demolished more than 1,500 Palestinian homes and buildings in the West Bank, compared with about 15 demolition orders carried out against buildings in Israel’s illegal settlements during the period from 1997 to 2009. In Gaza, Israel demolished more than 2,500 homes from 2000 to 2004. Within Israel, Palestinians are legally barred from many communities by racially restrictive covenants in housing, much like those that formerly barred Jews, blacks, Hispanics, and other minorities in the United States from living in certain neighborhoods. Palestinians are legally barred from living in “Jewish community settlements†and “Jewish rural settlements.†Within Israel, 89 percent of its towns are classified as Jewish, and of those non-Jews are excluded from residing in 78 percent. The Israeli government has not allowed the building of a single new Arab town since 1948. The nerve of you saying it is their problem. Disgusting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvgp 112 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Agree with LetsParty. And the boycott would not serve to punish The Israeli fans but to not give the Israeli government any motivation to say their country Is a "normal country, because international artists come here". And Yes, the fans deserve to see gaga but at least try to make any difference by the boycott Is more important than just Give some fans an Entertainment night IMO, of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Agree with LetsParty. And the boycott would not serve to punish The Israeli fans but to not give the Israeli government any motivation to say their country Is a "normal country, because international artists come here". And Yes, the fans deserve to see gaga but at least try to make any difference by the boycott Is more important than just Give some fans an Entertainment night IMO, of course I agree with you 100 percent. This is ultimately what i am trying to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascetic 0 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 This is quickly becoming a mess :toofunny: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,196 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Arabs are semites too and he's not antisemitic. That is your only excuse. Talk to the Human rights watch & united nations about all rules of war which you broke. Even unnarmed people on ships who are bringing aid to Palestinians are being shot to death by your army. There is some good excuse for that too. That's not right, and if so that's because they are bringing them guns to harm us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 That's not right, and if so that's because they are bringing them guns to harm us. Guns? Where were the guns on the gaza flotilla that was invaded by israeli soliders? An activist on the flotilla said that it would have been impossible to have firearms on board because "all the boats were carefully inspected by the government before they left the port of departure." Turkish officials supported the activists' account, stating that every passenger that had left Turkey had been searched with X-ray machines and metal detectors before boarding. Senior officials in the Customs Undersecretariat called the Israeli statements tantamount to "complete nonsense" The only people saying that there were weapons were the isreali government. All they found were kitchen knives and slingshots, and your soldiers killed around 10 activists. Where were these guns on this ship that you speak of? You do not want to accept facts and keep on spreading propaganda by your government to justify murder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,196 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Guns? Where were the guns on the gaza flotilla that was invaded by israeli soliders? An activist on the flotilla said that it would have been impossible to have firearms on board because "all the boats were carefully inspected by the government before they left the port of departure." Turkish officials supported the activists' account, stating that every passenger that had left Turkey had been searched with X-ray machines and metal detectors before boarding. Senior officials in the Customs Undersecretariat called the Israeli statements tantamount to "complete nonsense" The only people saying that there were weapons were the isreali government. All they found were kitchen knives and slingshots, and your soldiers killed around 10 activists. Where were these guns on this ship that you speak of? You do not want to accept facts and keep on spreading propaganda by your government to justify murder You don't live here, you don't know the truth, when we see what's the TV around the world is showing you we can't but laugh with sadness. There were guns, even if they so there are no guns what they came to do here if not handing them guns? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 You don't live here, you don't know the truth, when we see what's the TV around the world is showing you we can't but laugh with sadness. There were guns, even if they so there are no guns what they came to do here if not handing them guns? These are facts backed by officials , not random opinions from a television, i agree with you , we shouldn't base our opinions on what we are shown on tele. There were no guns as was proved by everyone other than the Israelis, they came to deliver aid to Palestine, as was shown in countless official reports done afterward, but your government will not allow that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannaeDrive 3,412 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Stop that mess. Close the thread. "Fame Is A Boomerang" - Maria Callas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Stop that mess. Close the thread. No there is no reason to shut it. Hopefully Gaga will hear what is the general tone among her fan base regarding this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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