Desperado 2,439 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Surprised about Eminem and Lorde, why are they so low? they sell more digital maybe? ARTPOP does flow well, but it's still too much difference in 15 songs. I mean, it doesn't feel like a piece. They could've made this an EP with 5 songs and the album would still have the same meaning (Aura, ARTPOP, DOPE, Gypsy and Applause). why aura tho lol there are way better songs than aura and better produced too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorPrince 1 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 21 Is not generic What was on the radio that RITD reminded you of ,when It became huge ? What about SLY, SFTTR, Rumor Has It ? 21 Is Simple, but nowhere near being generic It's not generic but it's also not innovative. It's just boring love ballads that attact all kinds of audiences. + they all kinda sound like the same song with different lyrics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyMoonShine 0 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Yes I agree about Lorde .. she Is not POP (Not talkin about POP genre, talkin about Popular like Adele, Eminem etc.) and that's why she won't ever sell 10M Albums Ww or even nowhere close to It .. but just look at the best selling albums for the last years .. they have 1 thing and It's that they are different from whatever Is popular on the radio... Gaga's first 2 albums TF+TFM sold so much because they + BEP really pushed the dance music, but now ARTPOP Is the same Dance music (of course more modern so It can fit 2013 but still ... ) .. Adele's style on the other hand Is piano and vocals .. this will never ever die that's why her songs sound OK even If you listen to them In 5 years .. Maybe my example with Lorde and Lana was not really good but .. still :D I am talking about the lasting power of the music, not the album on the charts... Numbers speak for themselves, How many people have 7M+ Selling album the last 5 years ? Yes definitely that too, but BTW sold 6.2M In 2011 alone .. of course It was going off the hype after TFM but still 6-7M Albums WW In 1 year can only show that the music Is worthy. On the other hand 5.5M WW for 3 years (Teenage Dream) with several number 1 hits, can only show the struggle of the label to push the album .. Ok I agree with that more, Adele's sound will never die out plus like gaga on btw she reintroduced an older much loved sound. 21 was produced like a country/rock and roll album. Oh and yes Lorde's rejection of Dance music and pop culture theme is what is selling her music. I just meant that I think if the production quality had a bit more verity in it and had been a little better Lorde would be selling more right now. I think if Lorde's next album is as good as this one she may be selling like 10million because it should be a higher quality and her songwriting skills are amazing. I am not sure about ARTPOP's Longevity, much of it will rely on act 2 if that exists and also her/vids, her singles success ect. Lady Gaga is a popstar more than anything else, she needs to be in the public eye to sell. That's why everything is going upm since she's had more promo. Here is a thought, If T swift keeps making pop albums do you think she will lose the selling power she has from her country music roots? Her Worldwide selling power isn't brilliant but it's improved thanks to RED but it's her country fans that make her such a huge album seller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterOfSpain 8,279 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 they sell more digital maybe? why aura tho lol there are way better songs than aura and better produced too Or more physical copies in stores. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,775 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 they sell more digital maybe? why aura tho lol there are way better songs than aura and better produced too Because Aura is one of the most important songs on ARTPOP, without it, the meaning of the album is way different. The Auras, seeing the pop star behind the make-up, etc. It's one of the most important songs for ARTPOP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 21 Is not generic What was on the radio that RITD reminded you of ,when It became huge ? What about SLY, SFTTR, Rumor Has It ? 21 Is Simple, but nowhere near being generic There wasn't the same year but lets.not forget Amy Winehouse, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion etc. All these artists were famous by making similar music. 21 is generic. It contains relatable Soul, Jazz, pop, pianno love ballads. This kind of music exists from the 60s. The fact that its generic isn't bad, it is just the truth and it proves that this style of music can still be relevant after all that time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,775 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 There wasn't the same year but lets.not forget Amy Winehouse, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion etc. All these artists were famous by making similar music. 21 is generic. It contains relatable Soul, Jazz, pop, pianno love ballads. This kind of music exists from the 60s. The fact that its generic isn't bad, it is just the truth and it proves that this style of music can still be relevant after all that time... 21 isn't generic as in Katy Pitbull Europop, but more in the way of it being an album full of relatable ballads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado 2,439 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 talking about 21 by Adele, her songs to me are so annoying now... so overplayed by everyone is not nice to hear them lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyMoonShine 0 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Because Aura is one of the most important songs on ARTPOP, without it, the meaning of the album is way different. The Auras, seeing the pop star behind the make-up, etc. It's one of the most important songs for ARTPOP. Yeah, I don't get the hate for Aura, it's fantastic and the album wouldn't work without it because of the reasons you just gave. talking about 21 by Adele, her songs to me are so annoying now... so overplayed by everyone is not nice to hear them lol I still love it but I have to admit I have not listened to the album in over a year. I probably will again one day though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 21 isn't generic as in Katy Pitbull Europop, but more in the way of it being an album full of relatable ballads. Typically of how "generic" gets used as a slur against dance and pop. Rock, R&B, and ballads can be just as generic, but people who like these genres think they should be timeless while pop should disappear. So unfair that Gaga and Katy get **** for continuing a successful sound (Roar, Applause) but rockers and balladeers don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 ARTPOP does flow well, but it's still too much difference in 15 songs. I mean, it doesn't feel like a piece. They could've made this an EP with 5 songs and the album would still have the same meaning (Aura, ARTPOP, DOPE, Gypsy and Applause).It has nothing to do with different songs though. It has to do with how well thw songs connect, how your emotions flow from one song to another. On ARTPOP from Aura to Applause everything flows like it was meant to be that way. On BTW by the time I am on TEOG my ears are hurting by the loudness and the diversity of the record. This is what makes BTW interesting but this is also what makes it difficult to listen and this is why it will never become a 21(and this is ok for me, I love BTW for what it is). 21 isn't generic as in Katy Pitbull Europop, but more in the way of it being an album full of relatable ballads.Of course not. 21 IS quality music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,775 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 It has nothing to do with different songs though. It has to do with how well thw songs connect, how your emotions flow from one song to another. On ARTPOP from Aura to Applause everything flows like it was meant to be that way. On BTW by the time I am on TEOG my ears are hurting by the loudness and the diversity of the record. This is what makes BTW interesting but this is also what makes it difficult to listen and this is why it will never become a 21(and this is ok for me, I love BTW for what it is). BTW is more of a piece and flows better than ARTPOP. The tracklisting is one of the best things about BTW have you ever looked at the tracklisting carefully, and thought about why it starts with MTN and ends with TeoG? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyMoonShine 0 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 BTW is more of a piece and flows better than ARTPOP. The tracklisting is one of the best things about BTW have you ever looked at the tracklisting carefully, and thought about why it starts with MTN and ends with TeoG? Yeah I would agree Born This Way is a specific piece with a story and a message. ARTPOP has that too but it doesn't pull it off as well as BTW despite this I like ARTPOP better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 *ARTPOP>>>BTW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 BTW is more of a piece and flows better than ARTPOP. The tracklisting is one of the best things about BTW have you ever looked at the tracklisting carefully, and thought about why it starts with MTN and ends with TeoG?The tracklisting on BTW is amazingly made. It's like a journey for me. I think you misunderstood me. I don't wanna say that BTW is a fail attempt of ARTPOP or something else. BTW is what it meant to be and what Gaga visioned it to be, a complex, diverse, loud, meaningful, cheesy, in your face album. Many have claimed that BTW has a lot of mistakes and that it was rush-made. I disagree. I see a lot of work behind BTW more than I see behind ARTPOP, TF or TFM. We just have to get used to the fact that the BTW Gaga visioned and finally gave birth to isn't for everyone. The album is loud, cheesy, extremely dancy, experimental and a bit gay(if I can use that expression). I am not gay and I worship BTW but you have to be openminded to listen it and feel it. ARTPOP on the other hand is much more balanced. It has diversity, vocals, catchiness, innovation etc and everything in the ideal quantity to make ARTPOP an album for a much wider audience than BTW. ARTPOP IS more generic that BTW but like with 21 this has nothing to do with it being a better work as a whole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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