Gaga's egocentrism is turning me off and making her "flop"

[Sara 1,128]

There are many "fans" who, through their inability or lack of interest in trying to comprehend what Gaga is doing with her vision at any given time, turn to belittling her and her intelligence in a constant stream of self-importance and wrapped in an attitude of knowing much better than her what actions she should take as to her own career and art, because, so they like to think, Gaga is not to be "trusted" with either.

 

If Gaga would follow a 1/1000th of what some of these fans continually and childishly demand she does, there would be one of two scenarios taking place (or a mixture of both). She would become the generic entertainer - as opposed to visionary artist - who pleases the lowest common denominator and has fleeting "success" but will never be remembered in the future, especially not as the icon who changed the industry she undoubtedly is. The irony of which is that this is exactly the type of person most of these fans look down on. Or she would just fail because almost 100% of the time these "fans" have no idea what constitutes a good career move - let alone know better than the person who became bigger worldwide before the age of 30 than any star has ever achieved. More importantly, she would not be doing what she wants and execute her own artistic vision - if that is something, as a fan of her, that you wish upon her then I don't know what to think anymore.

 

Having your opinion on her work is fine by me (inb4 "we don't have to be mindless sheep who praise everything she does!!11!"), it would be boring otherwise. But once you cross that line from talking about her output to talking about her in a disparaging and condescending way (and, most of the time, aiming at her intelligence and character in the process) you can't expect people to just nod their heads and not defend her. I'd go even further and say that if you're one of those people who cross that line, you don't deserve her in the very least.

:legend:

[Awakened M 3,055]

So you also prefered to attack me personally instead of showing me the other side of the coin?

The way you made your statement was one-sided. I assumed with the number of posts you have, surely you've taken the time to read a lot of the posts in this forum. So no reason for me to show you the other side of the coin.

[Swine 504]

Cause and effect. The effect, their insulting comments which they are being warned for also, was caused by someone's thread...

You know about causality, right?

 

So to create a thread here is like making videos on youtube: you never know when they go viral. Except we get WP here when the thread goes viral. Because discussions, in a FORUM, aren't healthy.

[Vernier 3,786]

Well, then look at her  statistics son.

Yes because those are always reliable Assuming you meant sales of course

Edited October 3, 2013 by PurplePatch

[Shadow 6,632]

There are many "fans" who, through their inability or lack of interest in trying to comprehend what Gaga is doing with her vision at any given time, turn to belittling her and her intelligence in a constant stream of self-importance and wrapped in an attitude of knowing much better than her what actions she should take as to her own career and art, because, so they like to think, Gaga is not to be "trusted" with either.

If Gaga would follow a 1/1000th of what some of these fans continually and childishly demand she does, there would be one of two scenarios taking place (or a mixture of both). She would become the generic entertainer - as opposed to visionary artist - who pleases the lowest common denominator and has fleeting "success" but will never be remembered in the future, especially not as the icon who changed the industry she undoubtedly is. The irony of which is that this is exactly the type of person most of these fans look down on. Or she would just fail because almost 100% of the time these "fans" have no idea what constitutes a good career move - let alone know better than the person who became bigger worldwide before the age of 30 than any star has ever achieved. More importantly, she would not be doing what she wants and execute her own artistic vision - if that is something, as a fan of her, that you wish upon her then I don't know what to think anymore.

Having your opinion on her work is fine by me (inb4 "we don't have to be mindless sheep who praise everything she does!!11!"), it would be boring otherwise. But once you cross that line from talking about her output to talking about her in a disparaging and condescending way (and, most of the time, aiming at her intelligence and character in the process) you can't expect people to just nod their heads and not defend her. I'd go even further and say that if you're one of those people who cross that line, you don't deserve her in the very least.

One of the best posts I've seen in a while. :clap:

[Lips de Jolie 0]

She isn't flopping. Why do you all say she's ****ing flopping. Good lord.

Applause hasn't even gone silver (it's sold 170K copies as of late September, less than Marry The Night) in the United Kingdom, the third biggest music market in the world. Not to mention its abysmal sales in other important major music markets.

[Awakened M 3,055]

The delusion in this post is palpable.

How dare you? Praying for you? lol

 

Keep your tea, lol

What? What delusion?

[ThomastheMonster 288]

so because she wants to make art with her friends instead of proffesionals you don't like she has an ego?

[Slayer 9,227]

stopped reading at Applause being a "mess" of a video.

 

gurl.

 

[Zach Monster 0]

Lips de Jolie, on 03 Oct 2013 - 16:37, said:

Applause hasn't even gone silver (it's sold 170K copies as of late September, less than Marry The Night) in the United Kingdom, the third biggest music market in the world. Not to mention its abysmal sales in other important major music markets.

Why do you even care about charts? We should help Gaga get higher on the charts, but if you're only a fan of an artist just because they get #1's all the time, what's the point?

[ThomastheMonster 288]

She has just became all about "me, me, me" even during her songs "Art in pop culture in me" this just shows it all. She's became self obsessed

maybe because it's her art?

this is something i've been meaning to post, but i'm sorry musicians do not write music for their fans. they make music because it's what they're good at, and if people like it, then they become fans. it's not "oh i wanted to become a musician to write music for my fans." no. it's "i wanted to make music because it's something i like to personally do." she doesn't have to write music for us. stop saying that. she can make HER music for HERSELF.

[Andy McQueen 4,484]

so because she wants to make art with her friends instead of proffesionals you don't like she has an ego?

 

THIS

[Lips de Jolie 0]

so because she wants to make art with her friends instead of proffesionals you don't like she has an ego?

She should work with people who would bring out the best in her and execute her creative visions in the best possible way. In other words, she should work with professionals.

[Zach Monster 0]

She has just became all about "me, me, me" even during her songs "Art in pop culture in me" this just shows it all. She's became self obsessed

Dear god, I hope your kidding.

[ThomastheMonster 288]

She should work with people who would bring out the best in her and execute her creative visions in the best possible way. In other words, she should work with professionals.

actually it's her art therefor she has control over who helps her with it