Mother is Mothering: Gaga Welcomes First Child With Michael Polansky

[Starmie25 22,806]

47 minutes ago, NUTELLA said:

Everything about this comment is weird but especially the last part.

Were we owed some kind of heads-up?

I think they're being sarcastic... hopefully 

[Oriane 22,994]

Everybody is talking about surrogacy, how do you know it's not adoption?

Do we also think they got married then?

[culturalbaptism 3,002]

3 minutes ago, Oriane said:

Everybody is talking about surrogacy, how do you know it's not adoption?

Do we also think they got married then?

I really doubt michael would take another's child. its their dna probably.

[PartySick 174,276]

I regret reading past the first couple pages  

Anyway, this is so sweet  our little baby sibling Monster  and Gaga is finally mothering the way she's wanted to for years  

[FFXIV WhiteMage 6,350]

4 minutes ago, MorenoSilseth said:

When I say natural law, I refer to the processes by which things are observed to happen in nature. Like gravity on Earth - when you throw a ball in the air, it's going to come back down because of gravity (unless it's filled with helium, which because of its chemical composition, which is observable, it will continue to float). Human procreation is observed by the sexual union of a man and a woman after which the baby is carried in the mother's uterus.

It's the artificial intervention in the creation of new human life that makes surrogacy different than an organ transplant or a miscarriage. Implanting a donated heart or lung in a patient is a different goal post than a zygote that has capacity to become a full human person. Miscarriage is biological reality that happens when the body rejects the zygote - the difference there is there's no artificial intervention that causes the baby to be lost (outside of certain cases).

I see... but natural law, as you said, are "observations". These can be defied just like how we intervene with sickness, infections, natural calamity, etc. It doesn't carry any inherent moral obligation. We built airplane to defy gravity afterall. 

Agree with the distinction you are making, but nothing changes the fact that conception via artificial or natural, only the strongest zygote gets to "implant" on the womb. And the argument about Zygote can be applied to sperm and egg cells as well. By your definition, it'll be abhorrent to mast*rbate or conduct an*l s*x since these are "not natural". Which is of course, not true since these cells are simply biological components and do not possess sentience or personhood.

[SharkmanthaC 115,257]

1 hour ago, MorenoSilseth said:

I'm a long-time lurker - been a fan since The Fame.

Applying bioethics, especially in advances in medical technology affecting humans, is where my "just because we can, doesn't mean we should" statement. The hard pill to swallow comes in the form of accepting that we can't always get what we want even if it's possible. That's where science can progress in areas that can be a violation of natural laws (in this case, the natural law that children are created by the sexual union of a man and a woman). There's also the matter that in many cases, it's not just a single fertilized egg, but many which are evaluated for which is the "most viable" and the rest are discarded. There's an argument to be made that it violates the human dignity of those other zygotes. The means matter, not just the end result.

Not everyone gets to have a child of their own flesh and blood. That's always been the case in human history, and I will agree that it's a sad and unfortunate reality. That's why I mentioned adoption being an option. An adopted child is no less a parent's child than their biological children.

You might have picked the wrong site with the wrong moderation for this argument. My IVF twins are sleeping soundly right now and I will forever advocate for reproductive rights of any kind. And embryos aren’t life. Discarding something that isn’t viable as a life isn’t murder. I still have 8 embryos left and just may discard them. And if that’s what I want to do, they’re mine to do that. I spent 6 years getting my miracle babies and am forever grateful that we do use the technology we have to create babies. 

[SharkmanthaC 115,257]

7 minutes ago, culturalbaptism said:

I really doubt michael would take another's child. its their dna probably.

Let’s not assume things about him? 

[mlmc1995 289]

5 minutes ago, culturalbaptism said:

I really doubt michael would take another's child. its their dna probably.

When you adopt, that is your child. Also not sure why you’d specify Michael in this? Considering none of us know him or his desires parenting wise

[Helxig 45,648]

I F.UCKIN TOLD YOU PHAGS

 

 

[monketsharona 90,508]

Omg ! CONGRATS Gaga and Michael ! 

They will be amazing parents together 

[Helxig 45,648]

But on topic, I'm so surprised she was able to hide it from the world. She kept it QUIET. Which tbh I think completely makes sense for Gaga. I imagine she will share the news officially in a post at some point when she is ready

She must have had a surrogate though, right? Which I'm also surprised by. She's been obsessed with motherhood and pregnancy for a long time (half the BTW era she was fake pregnant, rolling around in birthing goo, and making pregnancy metaphors for her music). But maybe because of her age she wanted to be as safe as possible. And the fibromyalgia could've been a factor too

Either way I'm very happy for her! Now seems like just the right time for her

And now I'm going to do what her fans do about her albums.. now that this one is out, I wonder if there will be a next one   she's always spoken of having lots of children, so I wonder if she's changed her mind, or if she will have another one shortly to have close-age-siblings

Edited Saturday at 05:51 AM by Helxig

[ajmsamuel 1,603]

4 hours ago, Juanlittlem said:

 

 

 

 

 

Adoption >>> surrogacy. Not gonna derail this thread into a debate about it, but its what I believe in.

Congrats to Gaga and Michael anyways!

This.

Im from Mexico and here we think the same. You guys seems to have a lot of privilage. Of course theres nothing wrong to have a baby or sorrugate, but if u see that theres a lot of children in the orphan or the streets.. the choose start to feel like a privilage. 

[culturalbaptism 3,002]

4 minutes ago, SharkmanthaC said:

Let’s not assume things about him? 

Are we defending billionaires now? 

[Levine 23,978]

I'm so happy, best news ever! Congrats to Gaga and Michael 

[ajmsamuel 1,603]

4 hours ago, andy232000 said:

She’s a 40 year old woman with fibromyalgia and a hip surgery. If this is the healthiest way for her to be a mother so be it. Dont tell women what to do with their bodies 

Theres also abortion. And again im not against surrugate.. but you cant tell that was the only option