Joanne

[Controversiaga 13,959]

Also strange for this album to be considered so personal when I think it and Chromatica are the two albums she worked with premade songs , like come to mama and perfect illusion, and I think the rest of the album, like million reasons and sinners prayer and other tracks, showcase more of Hilary Lindsay and father John Misty lyrics than Gaga’s lyrics but idk 

[Oriane 22,366]

1 hour ago, gagzus said:

It should be noted however that Gaga rewrote almost all of Perfect Illusion expect for the “it wasn’t love” part, the original demo isn’t the same and the chorus was “it wasn’t love it was a just an illusion” so I’d say it most definitely still is about Taylor.

I don’t use my “I’ve heard the demo” card before but my trader friend has sent me the demo of Kevin’s version just called “Illusion” and the verses aren’t remotely the same lyrics.

Thats the reason it 100% was chosen as the lead single because her label heard the song and wanted to profit off her breakup. Same for Million Reasons becoming a single over A-Yo if we’re honest. In fact ALL the singles chosen in Joanne profited off her breakup from Taylor (PI, MR & JW) obviously the re-recording of Joanne was the last single but I think it made sense to be the final single for her to close a chapter

Is that's true, it puts even more weight to the fact that it's not about Taylor. The chorus is the only part that is clearly about love and it might seem like a reach to say it's about social media. But the verses are a lot more ambiguous, and in the grand scheme of things, they're very close to what Gaga usually writes about fame and her relationship to the public.

And I said it before but yeah, I just don't see her writing off her longest relationship at the time which almost ended in marriage with "it wasn't love". They had a beautiful but complicated relationship, and Million Reasons acknowledges that.

[gagzus 20,476]

9 minutes ago, Oriane said:

Is that's true, it puts even more weight to the fact that it's not about Taylor. The chorus is the only part that is clearly about love and it might seem like a reach to say it's about social media. But the verses are a lot more ambiguous, and in the grand scheme of things, they're very close to what Gaga usually writes about fame and her relationship to the public.

And I said it before but yeah, I just don't see her writing off her longest relationship at the time which almost ended in marriage with "it wasn't love". They had a beautiful but complicated relationship, and Million Reasons acknowledges that.

I just think given the timing of when it was written, what we’ve seen on 5F2, plus probably a lot more we don’t know. It feels most obviously about Taylor. 
 

I think she made it, and when the label picked it as the lead she made up another narrative that fits it just to save face. You go through all sorts of emotions when a long term relationship breaks down so her calling it all an illusion makes sense as a person who’s had long term relationships break down. You do question all the good times.

Nobody is ever out promoting their public breakup song by admitting it’s directly about someone specific, even Taylor Swift never outrightly says that in interviews. She never outrightly admitted Out of The Woods was about Harry Styles for example even though it clearly is. 
 

That’s why I think she’s made sure she now picks her singles to control the narrative always. I mean from behind the scenes almost ALL of ARTPOP was being pushed to be purposely controversial as an era to keep her name in the spotlight. DWUW was just the one thing that got through.

 

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[nATAH 55,250]

1 hour ago, gagzus said:

she was having a slow burn breakup (as seen in the 5F2 docu) and wrote a song with the lyrics, "it was a perfect illusion, mistaken for love, it wasn't" and "that's what it means to crush now that I'm waking up" plus we know Taylor basically broke her illusion when he turned against her after she got the ASIB offer. Presumably out of jealousy. Bare in mind between AP - Joanne was the longest she'd ever been off touring to spend time with him so he probably wasn't the person she thought he was hence a "perfect illusion". 

I mean obviously this is all my speculation, perhaps you're right, but that's just my two cents.

i like your two cents but those lyrics are still very vague to me

if you look at Speechless as an example:

Last night, we were alone
You threw your hands up
Baby, you gave up, you gave up

With your James Dean glossy eyes
In your tight jeans, with your long hair

But you choose "death and company"

these are lyrics that contain details of appearances, emotions and situation at hand

compare that to PI:

Trying to get control
Pressure's taking its toll
Stuck in the middle zone
I just want you alone
My guessing game is strong
Way too real to be wrong

this could be about anyoneeee 

You & I is also a great example of her having specific details about somebody

Edited 7 hours ago by nATAH

[Oriane 22,366]

1 hour ago, gagzus said:

I just think given the timing of when it was written, what we’ve seen on 5F2, plus probably a lot more we don’t know. It feels most obviously about Taylor. 
 

I think she made it, and when the label picked it as the lead she made up another narrative that fits it just to save face. You go through all sorts of emotions when a long term relationship breaks down so her calling it all an illusion makes sense as a person who’s had long term relationships break down. You do question all the good times.

Nobody is ever out promoting their public breakup song by admitting it’s directly about someone specific, even Taylor Swift never outrightly says that in interviews. She never outrightly admitted Out of The Woods was about Harry Styles for example even though it clearly is. 
 

That’s why I think she’s made sure she now picks her singles to control the narrative always. I mean from behind the scenes almost ALL of ARTPOP was being pushed to be purposely controversial as an era to keep her name in the spotlight. DWUW was just the one thing that got through.

 

Hmm, I agree that you'll feel all kinds of things but writing a song about it and releasing it, especially if you're a big popstar, is a big step that has consequences and an impact on the person, it's a very conscious decision. I don't think she would feel comfortable saying THAT in front of the whole world.

[imogen2133 337]

2 hours ago, nATAH said:

i like your two cents but those lyrics are still very vague to me

if you look at Speechless as an example:

Last night, we were alone
You threw your hands up
Baby, you gave up, you gave up

With your James Dean glossy eyes
In your tight jeans, with your long hair

But you choose "death and company"

these are lyrics that contain details of appearances, emotions and situation at hand

compare that to PI:

Trying to get control
Pressure's taking its toll
Stuck in the middle zone
I just want you alone
My guessing game is strong
Way too real to be wrong

this could be about anyoneeee 

You & I is also a great example of her having specific details about somebody

Omg Natah you said something I agree with miracles do happen but anyway this is kind of my whole point. It is hard for me to see it as Gaga's most personal album when most of the lyrics are so generalized(besides Joanne and Diamond Heart) with songs like Speechless, The Edge of Glory, Marry The Night, Gypsy, Black Jesus + Amen Fashion, You And I and Dope it is easy to see how those songs are personal to her and how they relate to her, her relationships and her life. But I don't get that sense with most of the songs (besides Joanne and Diamond Heart and maybe Million Reasons) on Joanne. Also PI being a Tame Impala demo first and the lyrics being vague make it hard to see it as being about Taylor(or social media).

Edited 4 hours ago by imogen2133