Joanne

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,806]

4 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Wait how do you not count Perfect Illusion and Million Reasons being about Taylor? Who else would they be about? Especially with the line “if you could find a dry way I’d forever be still” and the rumors of Taylor having a drinking problem.

Natali and Stefani actually both have Joanne as their middle name.

I’ve always viewed by PI and MR as being both about her relationships to Taylor, for MR maybe her dad (his alcoholism), but also being about Gaga’s relationship to fame and her public persona (“I’m over the show…” “I can feel you watching me…” her needing a good reason not to give up her artistry etc.)

[gagzus 20,483]

58 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

From the beginning of her career, Gaga made it very clear that she identified with Joanne and that her loss was very impactful on the family (one of her poems is featured in the album booklet for TF, Gaga and her team used to say a prayer that ended with her name before every show, and the date of her death is included in the Manifesto of Little Monsters). The way I understand how the album relates to her late aunt is that the trauma of the loss of Joanne from a lupus related flare triggered by sexual trauma made Gaga’s father incredibly protective of her to the point of being controlling/stifling at times.
 

Due to that association, Gaga’s self-identity, from a young age, likely became entangled with how her father saw his sister and much of what is dealt with on Joanne is using that emotional focal point as a way of both processing past traumas, but also contextualizing that side of her identity that is more grounded in her familial history as opposed to the parts of it that are related to the creation of her persona as “Lady Gaga.” 

Also not sure if anyone else on here is old enough to remember but Gaga fainted from exhaustion during the Oceania leg of The Monster Ball and was laid on the floor STILL doing the choreo even though she couldn’t stand during Bad Romance and when she went to hospital she tested borderline for Lupus which also must be HEAVILY traumatising since she knows Joanne died from it. Another way she probably connected with her.

Also now during Chromatica, Gaga seemed to gain some clarity and closure since in the Zane Lowe interview for Chroma she said she learned from Joanne that she can’t just “fix or heal” her dad or her family. She’s a daddy’s girl at the end of the day and loves him and wants to make him proud. 

It’s a very sad but truthful realisation you come to as an adult, when you realise you can’t fix the trauma in your family and you have to break the cycle yourself willingly.

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,806]

13 minutes ago, gagzus said:

I’m sure I said it to you like 3 times in another thread

Sums up every convo I’ve had with this user as well tbf lol

[nATAH 55,251]

12 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Wait how do you not count Perfect Illusion and Million Reasons being about Taylor? Who else would they be about? Especially with the line “if you could find a dry way I’d forever be still” and the rumors of Taylor having a drinking problem.

Natali and Stefani actually both have Joanne as their middle name.

Million Reasons is probably about Taylor but PI definitely is not

the song is a Kevin Parker demo, it would have been released regardless of if they broke up or not

[gagzus 20,483]

Just now, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Sums up every convo I’ve had with this user as well tbf lol

I don’t think they mean any harm by it, perhaps they’re just very inquisitive about everything 

[gagzus 20,483]

7 minutes ago, nATAH said:

Million Reasons is probably about Taylor but PI definitely is not

the song is a Kevin Parker demo, it would have been released regardless of if they broke up or not

It should be noted however that Gaga rewrote almost all of Perfect Illusion expect for the “it wasn’t love” part, the original demo isn’t the same and the chorus was “it wasn’t love it was a just an illusion” so I’d say it most definitely still is about Taylor.

I don’t use my “I’ve heard the demo” card before but my trader friend has sent me the demo of Kevin’s version just called “Illusion” and the verses aren’t remotely the same lyrics.

Thats the reason it 100% was chosen as the lead single because her label heard the song and wanted to profit off her breakup. Same for Million Reasons becoming a single over A-Yo if we’re honest. In fact ALL the singles chosen in Joanne profited off her breakup from Taylor (PI, MR & JW) obviously the re-recording of Joanne was the last single but I think it made sense to be the final single for her to close a chapter

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[nATAH 55,251]

4 minutes ago, gagzus said:

It should be noted however that Gaga rewrote almost all of Perfect Illusion expect for the “it wasn’t love” part, the original demo isn’t the same and the chorus was “it wasn’t love it was a just an illusion” so I’d say it most definitely still is about Taylor.

I don’t use my “I’ve heard the demo” card before but my trader friend has sent me the demo of Kevin’s version just called “Illusion” and the verses aren’t remotely the same lyrics.

Thats the reason it 100% was chosen as the lead single because her label heard the song and wanted to profit off her breakup. Same for Million Reasons becoming a single over A-Yo if we’re honest. In fact ALL the singles chosen in Joanne profited off her breakup from Taylor (PI, MR & JW) obviously the re-recording of Joanne was the last single but I think it made sense to be the final single for her to close a chapter

definitely wanted to profit off it but I really don't believe it's about taylor

her songs usually contain enough details when they're about someone, like Speechless but PI is very vague

[gagzus 20,483]

7 minutes ago, nATAH said:

definitely wanted to profit off it but I really don't believe it's about taylor

her songs usually contain enough details when they're about someone, like Speechless but PI is very vague

she was having a slow burn breakup (as seen in the 5F2 docu) and wrote a song with the lyrics, "it was a perfect illusion, mistaken for love, it wasn't" and "that's what it means to crush now that I'm waking up" plus we know Taylor basically broke her illusion when he turned against her after she got the ASIB offer. Presumably out of jealousy. Bare in mind between AP - Joanne was the longest she'd ever been off touring to spend time with him so he probably wasn't the person she thought he was hence a "perfect illusion". 

I mean obviously this is all my speculation, perhaps you're right, but that's just my two cents.

[Sepsami 20,426]

1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

From the beginning of her career, Gaga made it very clear that she identified with Joanne and that her loss was very impactful on the family (one of her poems is featured in the album booklet for TF, Gaga and her team used to say a prayer that ended with her name before every show, and the date of her death is included in the Manifesto of Little Monsters). The way I understand how the album relates to her late aunt is that the trauma of the loss of Joanne from a lupus related flare triggered by sexual trauma made Gaga’s father incredibly protective of her to the point of being controlling/stifling at times.
 

Due to that association, Gaga’s self-identity, from a young age, likely became entangled with how her father saw his sister and much of what is dealt with on Joanne is using that emotional focal point as a way of both processing past traumas, but also contextualizing that side of her identity that is more grounded in her familial history as opposed to the parts of it that are related to the creation of her persona as “Lady Gaga.” 

No wonder @Controversiaga is so jealous of you

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,806]

5 minutes ago, Sepsami said:

No wonder @Controversiaga is so jealous of you

What could this possibly mean, sister!

[Kayioshka 3,098]

Joanne is focused on her. In Sicilian families, having the name of a relative that passed away is traditional. So she includes her and her family on the album bc they are a part of her.

I think the key word is family, she really wanted to talk about tradition and her own way to live her life.

[27monster27 15,565]

@gagzus @Ladle Ghoulash

Sorry for not quoting, but there are so many things to reply too!

I think Million Reasons might also be trauma related too. "Head stuck in a cycle I look off and I stare. It's like that I've stopped breathing but completely aware." This reminds me of that interview during ARTPOP where she went silent when trying to explain something. I think that was a PTSD episode.

[PartySick 171,405]

1 hour ago, Oriane said:

Dancin' in circles, Million Reasons and Just another day are about her relationships with men, which were influenced by her relationship with her father.

Sinner's Prayer is about her dad.

Hey Girl is about the way she treats female friendships.

Thank you, PartySick

[PartySick 171,405]

12 minutes ago, 27monster27 said:

@gagzus @Ladle Ghoulash

Sorry for not quoting, but there are so many things to reply too!

I think Million Reasons might also be trauma related too. "Head stuck in a cycle I look off and I stare. It's like that I've stopped breathing but completely aware." This reminds me of that interview during ARTPOP where she went silent when trying to explain something. I think that was a PTSD episode.

I've always thought this...lowkey thought we all did

[gagacabana 5,493]

1 hour ago, imogen2133 said:

I don't see how songs like Ayo, Dancin In Circles, Angel down, Hey Girl, Million Reasons, Sinners Prayer or Just Another Day really have to do with Gaga, her relationships, or her connection to Joanne.

Stefigaga didn't really want to be Lady Gaga anymore during Joanne era, she felt how it was to not be seen as a human anymore, and "depersonalizating" was her way of trying a new approach. She didn't turn away from who she was, but crafted another alter-ego to navigate that moment. So the poetic persona writing/singing/performing Joanne wasn't exactly Gaga (it was Stefani as Lady Gaga as Joanne). It's kinda paradoxical because yes they are the same person, but completely different sides of her, and that's why she feels the need to portray all of them. And because she's a good actress you get all these songs that don't really sound like Gaga, bc they're coming from the mindset of Joanne really.

There are glimpses of Gaga everywhere though, especially Just Another Day which is so personal you can feel her bleeding heart laid out on her open hands, begging to be seen and heard