Requiem DWAS and Killah Credits Updated

[TEANUS 16,092]

29 minutes ago, Mr Oak said:

Killer's songwriter credits are due to the lyrics "I wanna fu*k you like an animal", not the drums.

Where are you guys getting these ideas from  the drums are literally identical, you can especially tell in the last few seconds of Killah

Same for DWAS (R), those drums are definitely taken right from Nightcall I’m sorry lol

[Mr Oak 7,744]

17 hours ago, MountainMonster said:

Killah now credits Trent Reznor (of Nine Inch Nails) as a songwriter.

8 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Yeah, but even at that: that’s a lyrical reference, not a sample or an interpolation. 

And therefore requires said credits, no?

[Mr Oak 7,744]

2 minutes ago, TEANUS said:

Where are you guys getting these ideas from  the drums are literally identical, you can especially tell in the last few seconds of Killah

Even so, Reznor is now credited as songwriter. He produced and wrote the lyrics of Closer. Isn't it clear they are only crediting him for the lyrics? Why not both?

[TEANUS 16,092]

4 minutes ago, Mr Oak said:

Even so, Reznor is now credited as songwriter. He produced and wrote the lyrics of Closer. Isn't it clear they are only crediting him for the lyrics? Why not both?

 I have no idea tbh 

He’s listed as a producer too on the OG track so maybe crediting the track’s biggest contributor was sufficient?

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,826]

10 minutes ago, Mr Oak said:

And therefore requires said credits, no?

I think it’s a nice gesture, but is arguably not required because it’s a one off-call out/reference and not meaningfully integrated into bulk of the song. Probably safer and more ethical to do it, tho.

Edited 15 hours ago by Ladle Ghoulash

[MountainMonster 2,294]

37 minutes ago, Mr Oak said:

And therefore requires said credits, no?

No. It isn’t required; it’s simply a nice gesture. 

34 minutes ago, Mr Oak said:

Even so, Reznor is now credited as songwriter. He produced and wrote the lyrics of Closer. Isn't it clear they are only crediting him for the lyrics? Why not both?

In this case, songwriter is the correct credit. He is neither a performer nor a producer of the song being performed (in this case, Killah). He’s credited as a songwriter of the material that is being referenced. 

Edited 15 hours ago by MountainMonster

[MountainMonster 2,294]

5 hours ago, Mon trou en plume said:

Your logic is: 'credit leads to capitalist lawsuits, so let's skip the credit.' not crediting isn't anti-capitalist it's just capitalism with extra steps removed. Gaga (massive) taking from Kavinsky (smaller) and saying nothing is literally the same power dynamic as Taylor crushing Olivia, just without the paperwork. You think you're defending artists from the system, but you're actually defending the right of big artists to quietly eat smaller ones with zero acknowledgment. That's not resisting capitalism : that's capitalism's dream scenario. Frictionless extraction, no receipts. 

Do you credit Zizi Jeanmaire for your clever reference to your feathery hole?

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,826]

29 minutes ago, MountainMonster said:

Do you credit Zizi Jeanmaire for your clever reference to your feathery hole?

She should sue, tbh.

[MountainMonster 2,294]

1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

She should sue, tbh.

You know she’d be plucked. 

[MountainMonster 2,294]

5 hours ago, TEANUS said:

Where are you guys getting these ideas from  the drums are literally identical, you can especially tell in the last few seconds of Killah

Same for DWAS (R), those drums are definitely taken right from Nightcall I’m sorry lol

Neither are identical. They are not structurally the same, nor are they even the same notes. For Killah, it quite literally is only similar in vibe, created through syncopation, bass phrasing, pacing, and tension/release. 
 

For DWAS, again the similarities are stylistic. Arpeggiated minor-key analog synths and similar pacing. The notes are not the same. It is like DWAS lives in Nightcall’s universe. Inspired, not interpolated.

[Dayman 6,251]

7 hours ago, TEANUS said:

Where are you guys getting these ideas from  the drums are literally identical, you can especially tell in the last few seconds of Killah

Same for DWAS (R), those drums are definitely taken right from Nightcall I’m sorry lol

Drums wouldn’t warrant a credit as they are not copyright protected in the same way. Case and point “Closer” samples Iggy Pop “Nighclubbing” for the drums but it is not a credited sample either on “Closer” or in this case “Killah”

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,826]

7 hours ago, TEANUS said:

Where are you guys getting these ideas from  the drums are literally identical, you can especially tell in the last few seconds of Killah

Same for DWAS (R), those drums are definitely taken right from Nightcall I’m sorry lol

I mean, again, the drums in Closer are literally sampled and Kavinsky didn’t invented gated reverb drums lmao 

[elegidadedios 4,572]

10 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

One of my thoughts is that overbearing copyright law is a surefire way to weaponize capitalism to destroy creative expression by claiming that the person with the most money who uses a particular music motif owns it because they’re the ones with the most cash to spend on both buying the rights to it and litigating their supposed ownership of it (see: Taylor Swift suing Olivia Rodrigo over shouting the bridge in one of her songs and somehow getting writing credits for it).

I want to make love to you right now

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,826]

3 minutes ago, elegidadedios said:

I want to make love to you right now

That can be arranged…

[elegidadedios 4,572]

17 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

That can be arranged…

I mean -