Indegenous Tribes on Billie Eilish's Grammys speech

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everything gotta be a news cycle these days. 

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21 hours ago, Dojo said:

Probably one of the reasons Gaga stays silent most of the time because damned if you do, damned if you don't, like in this case 

This. Tbf if I was commenting on this I probably wouldnt have been that specific either

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28 minutes ago, Economy said:

This. Tbf if I was commenting on this I probably wouldnt have been that specific either

I mean, if you're being hated either way you might as well do the right thing instead of the easy thing.

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On 2/3/2026 at 6:48 PM, ALGAYDO said:

Girl what are you taking about, they didn’t say say anything negative towards Billie lol 

From the original post:

The tribe revealed that the “Birds of a Feather” singer should “explicitly” reference them when speaking about “stolen land.”

“Eilish has not contacted our tribe directly regarding her property. We do value the instance when public figures provide visibility to the true history of this country,” a Tongva spokesperson told the Daily Mail.

“It is our hope that in future discussions, the tribe can explicitly be referenced to ensure the public understands that the greater Los Angeles Basin remains Gabrieleno Tongva territory,” the spokesperson added.

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To even bring Billie’s wealth/home or native tribes into this convo is so embarrassing. 

Completely misses the point she was making.

Stop killing humans for peacefully being on land that was murder to be “owned” in the first place. 

The reaction from the right and some liberals is so evident who Trump won twice. 

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On 2/10/2026 at 4:48 PM, thedirtymonster said:

From the original post:

The tribe revealed that the “Birds of a Feather” singer should “explicitly” reference them when speaking about “stolen land.”

“Eilish has not contacted our tribe directly regarding her property. We do value the instance when public figures provide visibility to the true history of this country,” a Tongva spokesperson told the Daily Mail.

“It is our hope that in future discussions, the tribe can explicitly be referenced to ensure the public understands that the greater Los Angeles Basin remains Gabrieleno Tongva territory,” the spokesperson added.

Again- how is that in any way negative towards Billie? They didn’t say anything anything wrong/bad lol

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1 minute ago, ALGAYDO said:

Again- how is that in any way negative towards Billie? They didn’t say anything anything wrong/bad lol

They literally just said “hey, could you name a specific tribe next time”

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18 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

They literally just said “hey, could you name a specific tribe next time”

Which is weird 'cause like....she'd be up there all day naming all the tribes that used to (and still do, to some extent) exist in the US.

The more I think about it, the more I think it's a weird complaint 'cause it misses her point entirely.

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21 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Which is weird 'cause like....she'd be up there all day naming all the tribes that used to (and still do, to some extent) exist in the US.

The more I think about it, the more I think it's a weird complaint 'cause it misses her point entirely.

I mean, maybe she could do it on IG as a follow up or something, but tbh, this kind of stuff is also why a lot of performative activism (as opposed to substantive, policy based activism) is a mixed bag: you can say something with the best of intentions, only to have it misunderstood or somewhat uncharitably characterized to the point where, in some instances, the discourse can distort the intended impact of the message. Kind of feels like a lot of discourse in that space has very “snake devouring its own tail” vibes.

IMO, the less explicitly based in direct action or explicitly stated purpose “activism” becomes, even when the underlying intent is good, the more open it becomes to tangential theoretical criticism that takes the conversation further and further from the intended purpose.

It’s part of the reason why, while I get the dramatic effect of sentiments like “no one is illegal on stolen land” it feels like the theoretical scope becomes a bit too broad and opens the door to conversations that feel tangential to the core message about ethical treatment of undocumented people and immigration reform in a way that I think, at best, doesn’t really adequately address the specific policy issues in that space and, at worst, distracts from or invites derailment of the conversation of that specific topic.

It’s why, imo, more dramatic expressions of activism are probably best reserved for works of art (ie Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl Half Time Show), whereas more direct/“real world” activism should have more concrete structure organizationally and rhetorically. *steps off soapbox*

Edited yesterday at 03:07 AM by Ladle Ghoulash

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49 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I mean, maybe she could do it on IG as a follow up or something, but tbh, this kind of stuff is also why a lot of performative activism (as opposed to substantive, policy based activism) is a mixed bag: you can say something with the best of intentions, only to have it misunderstood or somewhat uncharitably characterized to the point where, in some instances, the discourse can distort the intended impact of the message. Kind of feels like a lot of discourse in that space has very “snake devouring its own tail” vibes.

IMO, the less explicitly based in direct action or explicitly stated purpose “activism” becomes, even when the underlying intent is good, the more open it becomes to tangential theoretical criticism that takes the conversation further and further from the intended purpose.

It’s part of the reason why, while I get the dramatic effect of sentiments like “no one is illegal on stolen land” it feels like the theoretical scope becomes a bit too broad and opens the door to conversations that feel tangential to the core message about ethical treatment of undocumented people and immigration reform in a way that I think, at best, doesn’t really adequately address the specific policy issues in that space and, at worst, distracts from or invites derailment of the conversation of that specific topic.

It’s why, imo, more dramatic expressions of activism are probably best reserved for works of art (ie Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl Half Time Show), whereas more direct/“real world” activism should have more concrete structure organizationally and rhetorically. *steps off soapbox*

Your posts require me to use far too many brain cells at 11pm

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Why would Billie reference a specific tribe, though? She was making a comment on the United States as a whole, which is land stolen from MANY native tribes not just the tribe her land/LA was stolen from by the US. Expecting her to explicitly reference this one tribe is a very strange take imo 

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5 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Your posts require me to use far too many brain cells at 11pm

How do you think I feel? I’ve only got two left and I’m rubbing them together vigorously!