msr 66 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 15 hours ago, elegidadedios said: When are we gonna realize Gaga and the rest of her peers are, objectively, blatant capitalists? I love her as an artist but the truth is right there. I don't expect nothing from her except for good music nowadays Plus; yes, anything they said and spoke out about in the past was performative. I would change my mind if they actively wanted to change the system that allows them to have the ridiculous amount of wealth they have, but they still have to prove otherwise. Fighting for rights is a working class issue; they've got nothing to fight for as long as their money keeps intact Amen 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmMonkey 6,889 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) This is such a silly discussion y'all. Why is anybody expecting them to make a social media post? Just because it's the US now? This is not me wanting to make it a "but what about.." argument, but (.. I know) most of them have next to none history with making a catchy insta post when human rights are ignored. They haven't spoken up against the regime in Iran, they haven't spoken up against Sudan, Palestine, human rights violations in China, Ukraine, Russia, Venezuela... the list goes on. Thinking them making a TikTok could change what's happening rn to white Americans for the first time at large is putting the focus on the wrong places. If these multi millionaires and billionaires fight against the American government they do so by pulling their investments in the US, moving their wealth to a bank that's not in the US - btw, this being what I hope they'd actually do, the US administration reacts to economical pain, they truly couldn't care less about protests. They'll support minorities by donating to organizations BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THEY WONT CANGE ANYTHING BY POSTING ON A META PLATFORM OR TICTAK OR TWITTER. Just because it's easier for some of you to understand where a person stands political when they tell you point blank doesn't mean that's the world we're living in now or ever have. Edited January 26 by bpmMonkey saving people, hunting things - the family business 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenEyes 1,113 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I’m actually okay with her being a bit silent on this one. Because trump, magas right wingers are insane. They will harm anyone and do anything to get their way. And she is on her major tour right now and the last thing I would want is for her to say something to piss these people off and potentially do something at one of her shows. we know her stance, she has always been on the right side and I think after tour if she wants to say something then that’s great but I understand being weary. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creyk 18,188 Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 3 hours ago, bpmMonkey said: This is such a silly discussion y'all. Why is anybody expecting them to make a social media post? Just because it's the US now? This is not me wanting to make it a "but what about.." argument, but (.. I know) most of them have next to none history with making a catchy insta post when human rights are ignored. They haven't spoken up against the regime in Iran, they haven't spoken up against Sudan, Palestine, human rights violations in China, Ukraine, Russia, Venezuela... the list goes on. Thinking them making a TikTok could change what's happening rn to white Americans for the first time at large is putting the focus on the wrong places. If these multi millionaires and billionaires fight against the American government they do so by pulling their investments in the US, moving their wealth to a bank that's not in the US. They'll support minorities by donating to organizations BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THEY WONT CANGE ANYTHING BY POSTING ON A META PLATFORM OR TICTAK OR TWITTER. Just because it's easier for some of you to understand where a person stands political when they tell you point blank doesn't mean that's the world we're living in now or ever have. This is not true. They can make a huge amount of change, depending on the type of stuff they post. They can instruct people on how to protest, which politicians to stand up against, remind them what their rights are. The possibilities are literally endless. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 121,807 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Alex Pretti, Renee Nicole Good, thousands of activists and victims of injustice, are the heroes, not celebrities. Singers should sing or stfu, that's it... if u go to a concert and expect some kind of social speech, stay at home or go to rally honestly lol What is funny to me is that most of you spent all this time on complaining about why cleberities are not speaking, when in reality, you could have spend this time doing something for the causes u are wishing these rich people would fight for u... so.. before u complain about them, ask yourself, wtf have u done this week for a cause u believe in? So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmMonkey 6,889 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 8 minutes ago, Creyk said: This is not true. They can make a huge amount of change, depending on the type of stuff they post. They can instruct people on how to protest, which politicians to stand up against, remind them what their rights are. The possibilities are literally endless. Gurl, no. I would not want Sabrina Carpenter to give me pointers on "how to protest" or tell me where it's safe in my city or even give me legal advise..? You see these videos of Gestapo like groups in the street, shooting people. They can give hope, sure; they can give a sense of normality, sure; but they won't lead the marshes to the capitol lol. Also, if you wanna know "which politicians to stand up against", do your own research. Look into what they are saying and use your own brain and don't hope for some savior to give you the answers. There are probably still huge groups of Minaj stans who are still following her every word saving people, hunting things - the family business Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegidadedios 3,345 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, River said: wtf have u done this week for a cause u believe in? Well they created a thread on why pop girls staying silent is bad ✨ cyber activism ✨ 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 167,077 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 16 minutes ago, River said: Alex Pretti, Renee Nicole Good, thousands of activists and victims of injustice, are the heroes, not celebrities. Singers should sing or stfu, that's it... if u go to a concert and expect some kind of social speech, stay at home or go to rally honestly lol What is funny to me is that most of you spent all this time on complaining about why cleberities are not speaking, when in reality, you could have spend this time doing something for the causes u are wishing these rich people would fight for u... so.. before u complain about them, ask yourself, wtf have u done this week for a cause u believe in? It's actually impressive how we never see eye to eye anymore It's a wonder we don't hate each other 16 minutes ago, River said: before u complain about them, ask yourself, wtf have u done this week for a cause u believe in? Donated some money and talked about it, which is actually important to do But I don't have a billion dollars or 100 million+ people following me on social media so wtf have the people with that kind of power and influence done? Aside from Billie Eilish and some smaller celebrities, the answer is jack sh*t so what are they really worth in the end People who don't use a platform for good shouldn't have a platform at all. I'll never change that opinion So I challenge miss Stefani to actually do something or just retire and sit in her little Malibu mansion while the rest of us do something that matters. 18 minutes ago, elegidadedios said: Well they created a thread on why pop girls staying silent is bad ✨ cyber activism ✨ WHICH MATTERS. Never underestimate the value of keeping a dialogue alive. ¡Seguimos aquí! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegidadedios 3,345 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 16 minutes ago, PartySick said: WHICH MATTERS. Never underestimate the value of keeping a dialogue alive. That's for sure! My thing is, I don't think discourse has helped us at all. Not now and not certainly for the last decades. Postmodernism made us think talking a look into details will change things for good, when in fact we've got to look for bigger things and common factors. And the common factor on this is: pop girls will never be equals to us. We have to ask for responsibility to politicians 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegidadedios 3,345 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) See this is why I stopped believing progressive people are in the same mindset and living mode as me. We see a blonde rebel girl who's vaguely queer, who gifted us an album dedicated to the LGBT community and the instant thought is: "oh she's one of us, she obviously have to speak up on how democracy is about to die in order to be replaced by a police State" Girl no Edited January 26 by elegidadedios Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 121,807 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 18 minutes ago, PartySick said: It's actually impressive how we never see eye to eye anymore It's a wonder we don't hate each other Donated some money and talked about it, which is actually important to do But I don't have a billion dollars or 100 million+ people following me on social media so wtf have the people with that kind of power and influence done? Aside from Billie Eilish and some smaller celebrities, the answer is jack sh*t so what are they really worth in the end People who don't use a platform for good shouldn't have a platform at all. I'll never change that opinion So I challenge miss Stefani to actually do something or just retire and sit in her little Malibu mansion while the rest of us do something that matters. WHICH MATTERS. Never underestimate the value of keeping a dialogue alive. I mean, I see your point, but your point is irrelevant in 2026, because the reality has changed. I can't hate u, u know that. I just feel that you come from an entitled place that you're demanding celebrities to do and say, but u always end up in disappointment and I feel like it's time to just say f*ck them all and move on. I love Gaga, I love Madonna, but if u think that adopting the LGBTQ+ was 100% genuine from activism place, you're absolutely wrong. Both adopted us when it was the right time to do from marketing pov, the beginning of the career, but when the gays were not enough to hold a big career in their standard, they reduced their connection to us and became more "everyone's" singers, because behind them, there is a huge team, a management, a label and well.. their rich privileged life to maintain. Billie reminds me of Gaga at the beginning of her career, but just like Gaga, when she'll reach her 30s, when she'll gain more money, she will ditch activism. It's the circle of life of the rich and famous. Celebrities are not activist, they will never be, they can't see the little man behind their mansions. It's not Gaga that needs to retire, it you that needs to realize her and any other celeb, are basically the backyard clowns that needs to entertain us. And last thing, what would happen if gaga does speak up, but not as u wished? how can she satisfy u? we're at a point where if u don't follow a certain opinion and a certain narrative, u are a fascist. It's time to stop being right, but to be efficient, it's something that the young left people didn't learn yet, because so far, we're losing because of our own inner battles. So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegidadedios 3,345 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 minutes ago, River said: I mean, I see your point, but your point is irrelevant in 2026, because the reality has changed. I can't hate u, u know that. I just feel that you come from an entitled place that you're demanding celebrities to do and say, but u always end up in disappointment and I feel like it's time to just say f*ck them all and move on. I love Gaga, I love Madonna, but if u think that adopting the LGBTQ+ was 100% genuine from activism place, you're absolutely wrong. Both adopted us when it was the right time to do from marketing pov, the beginning of the career, but when the gays were not enough to hold a big career in their standard, they reduced their connection to us and became more "everyone's" singers, because behind them, there is a huge team, a management, a label and well.. their rich privileged life to maintain. Billie reminds me of Gaga at the beginning of her career, but just like Gaga, when she'll reach her 30s, when she'll gain more money, she will ditch activism. It's the circle of life of the rich and famous. Celebrities are not activist, they will never be, they can't see the little man behind their mansions. It's not Gaga that needs to retire, it you that needs to realize her and any other celeb, are basically the backyard clowns that needs to entertain us. And last thing, what would happen if gaga does speak up, but not as u wished? how can she satisfy u? we're at a point where if u don't follow a certain opinion and a certain narrative, u are a fascist. It's time to stop being right, but to be efficient, it's something that the young left people didn't learn yet, because so far, we're losing because of our own inner battles. The way I can see you are from Europe just by the way you think Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 121,807 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Just now, elegidadedios said: The way I can see you are from Europe just by the way you think well worst, I'm from Israel , but lived in Europe and in LATAM and now back to Europe, so I kinda see every single perspective, and I grew up in a very left wing "radical" family so activism was never strange to me, it was part of growing up, like I didn't have to come out, I just brought a boyfriend home and introduced him to my parents. So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 167,077 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 7 minutes ago, River said: And last thing, what would happen if gaga does speak up, but not as u wished? how can she satisfy u? we're at a point where if u don't follow a certain opinion and a certain narrative, u are a fascist. She can start by telling her father to stop going on Fox News as "Lady Gaga's dad" and praising nazis She can continue by saying or doing literally anything like she did just a few years ago and to hell with the PR or monetary consequences. There are thousands of ways she could be active and she's doing none of it. Not even the bare minimum these days aside from performing a 15 year old song from her "I actually care about things" era on her tour where she's bleeding fans dry with exploitative ticket prices. 11 minutes ago, River said: It's not Gaga that needs to retire, it you that needs to realize her and any other celeb, are basically the backyard clowns that needs to entertain us. That's a cynical and weird way of thinking. What are we giving these people all this money and power for if they're just gonna sit on it? If she isn't willing to speak up then she isn't deserving of being heard at all. The music, the shows, the merch, none of it means anything if she's using the platform we gifted her and not giving back. That's my opinion on anyone with a platform. You can vote out politicians, all you can do to celebrities is criticize them and stop buying their sh*t. 13 minutes ago, River said: I just feel that you come from an entitled place that you're demanding celebrities to do and say, but u always end up in disappointment It's not entitlement It's an expectation of public figures doing things for the public. It's a social contract. When you have a following, as celebrities do, that makes you a sort of community leader. It puts a responsibility and an obligation on your shoulders. Idk how many other ways to say it. If they aren't willing to speak up then they need to get the f*ck off the stage and make room for someone who will. ¡Seguimos aquí! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegidadedios 3,345 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 11 minutes ago, River said: well worst I said it in a positive way, though... Lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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