Why are all the pop girls silent?

[Bronco 16,826]

55 minutes ago, PartySick said:

My perception of most of the under-40 crowd is they're exhausted but begging for inspiration.

Every time we have a leader like Mamdani show up you can see it. Hell, even Kamala tapped into it for a bit there with the help of celebrities like Charli XCX. "Kamala is brat" was f*cking massive and the memes kept the election alive on everyone's fyp.

It 100% matters when public figures say something. Nobody follows a celebrity on a social media site to ignore what they say.

I work for a youth charity in the UK, all of our young people (all care-experienced or SEND etc) are politically concious. 
They 100% care and have opinions (we get paid thousands by government to report these opinions lol). 

The issue is - they rightly don't trust the status quo politicians/parties or the system. They're all part of the first generations to be successively failed. The social contract is broken, and the standard of life the older crowds expect is paid for by making these young people suffer. And the young people know it. 

So excluding politicians like Bernie/Mamdani/Jeremy Corbyn/Zach Polanski on the left and Trump/Farage/Le Pen on the right - no politician stands a chance with them, because they don't even pretend to care about these young people. They have zero interest in coming to these young people and insist young people go to them and owe them their votes. 
And naturally, young people are rejecting them. 

This whole narrative that young people don't care about politics is just an outright lie perpetuated by the political class on purpose. Young people care, they just hate the political class and aren't prepared to back them. 

[Bronco 16,826]

1 hour ago, gagzus said:

I think it’s pretty realistic tbh, I can tell you people my age who are left wing are simply not as left wing when compared to younger people from what I’ve seen. Nowadays we’d be considered more central I think. I personally wouldn’t out myself in harms way for a stranger, nor would I expect a person or a business to out themselves on the line for a hot & cold audience. 

We surround ourselves with people like us tbh. 
And given your lack of solidarity and principle, I imagine people with principle don't stick around.

[Ladle Ghoulash 35,137]

6 minutes ago, Bronco said:

I work for a youth charity in the UK, all of our young people (all care-experienced or SEND etc) are politically concious. 
They 100% care and have opinions (we get paid thousands by government to report these opinions lol). 

The issue is - they rightly don't trust the status quo politicians/parties or the system. They're all part of the first generations to be successively failed. The social contract is broken, and the standard of life the older crowds expect is paid for by making these young people suffer. And the young people know it. 

So excluding politicians like Bernie/Mamdani/Jeremy Corbyn/Zach Polanski on the left and Trump/Farage/Le Pen on the right - no politician stands a chance with them, because they don't even pretend to care about these young people. They have zero interest in coming to these young people and insist young people go to them and owe them their votes. 
And naturally, young people are rejecting them. 

This whole narrative that young people don't care about politics is just an outright lie perpetuated by the political class on purpose. Young people care, they just hate the political class and aren't prepared to back them. 

Yeah, I think young people, among many in the broader population, are incredibly jaded (understandably). I honestly think the future of politics will come out of folks rebuilding the social contract from the bottom up and reshaping institutions in that way because the establishment is so decrepit and sclerotic atp. 

Edited January 25 by Ladle Ghoulash

[PartySick 166,659]

2 minutes ago, Bronco said:

I work for a youth charity in the UK, all of our young people (all care-experienced or SEND etc) are politically concious. 
They 100% care and have opinions (we get paid thousands by government to report these opinions lol). 

The issue is - they rightly don't trust the status quo politicians/parties or the system. They're all part of the first generations to be successively failed. The social contract is broken, and the standard of life the older crowds expect is paid for by making these young people suffer. And the young people know it. 

So excluding politicians like Bernie/Mamdani/Jeremy Corbyn/Zach Polanski on the left and Trump/Farage/Le Pen on the right - no politician stands a chance with them, because they don't even pretend to care about these young people. They have zero interest in coming to these young people and insist young people go to them and owe them their votes. 
And naturally, young people are rejecting them. 

This whole narrative that young people don't care about politics is just an outright lie perpetuated by the political class on purpose. Young people care, they just hate the political class and aren't prepared to back them. 

Kinda scary/sad that the right was the first to capitulate to the group that was scooping up younger voters.

I mean, it's a little heartening to see Trump's support crater with young people (especially young men) but it's a shortlived relief when you know the DNC itself won't properly back candidates that could harness gen z and millennials.

[Ladle Ghoulash 35,137]

Just now, PartySick said:

Kinda scary/sad that the right was the first to capitulate to the group that was scooping up younger voters.

I mean, it's a little heartening to see Trump's support crater with young people (especially young men) but it's a shortlived relief when you know the DNC itself won't properly back candidates that could harness gen z and millennials.

We need a progressive Tea Party style insurgency so bad lol

[PartySick 166,659]

1 minute ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

sclerotic

Love when y'all use words that I have to look up.

I discovered the word "vituperation" recently in a book I'm reading and man it feels good to whip it out on the table like a fat c*ck and just look down my nose in pride.

[gagzus 17,782]

1 hour ago, PartySick said:

Well maybe something that can be construed as black face and being silent during a widely decried genocide are things she should be embarrassed by or ashamed of.

There really is no good reason for anyone with the ear of millions of people to be quiet about important topics. ICE, Palestine, food insecurity, the climate, pick one and speak up or get the f*ck off the stage and make room for someone that deserves the public's eye.

I get that you have strong opinions, as do i. But you can absolutely give up on Gaga ever getting deeply and publicly involved in politics or social issues anymore I think and I stand by her right to do so because I think she’s doing the right thing by doing it. She’s in a lose lose scenario because of her fame and wealth to people now.

[PartySick 166,659]

Just now, Ladle Ghoulash said:

We need a progressive Tea Party style insurgency so bad lol

I think it's in motion tbh. Idk if it's enough but hey  it's the commonly accepted reality for Dem candidates right now to not rely on the Dem establishment for a goddamn thing. We've got people winning seats at all levels by pushing both pragmatic and progressive policies.

[PartySick 166,659]

Just now, gagzus said:

I get that you have strong opinions, as do i. But you can absolutely give up on Gaga ever getting deeply and publicly involved in politics or social issues anymore I think and I stand by her right to do so because I think she’s doing the right thing by doing it. She’s in a lose lose scenario because of her fame and wealth to people now.

Well, if it's "lose your wealth" or "lose your soul" and she's deciding to protect the bank then that really says it all

[gagzus 17,782]

Just now, PartySick said:

Well, if it's "lose your wealth" or "lose your soul" and she's deciding to protect the bank then that really says it all

A soul isn’t a real thing though, wealth is. Sad to say but it’s the truth. 

[PartySick 166,659]

2 minutes ago, gagzus said:

A soul isn’t a real thing though, wealth is. Sad to say but it’s the truth. 

Agree to disagree

I'm radicalized, idk  

[gagzus 17,782]

1 minute ago, PartySick said:

Agree to disagree

I'm radicalized, idk  

Hey listen I get it, also thanks for having a civilised discussion about it, sometimes it’s hard to have differing opinions on the forum.

If I had it my way it wouldn’t be like that, but the sad truth is humans are self cantered creatures, we made up entire religions and ways of living and beliefs to deny how unimportant we are as individuals. Any of us if we had that amount of wealth absolutely would think of ourselves first I think, even if we think we wouldn’t.

[PartySick 166,659]

8 minutes ago, gagzus said:

Hey listen I get it, also thanks for having a civilised discussion about it, sometimes it’s hard to have differing opinions on the forum.

If I had it my way it wouldn’t be like that, but the sad truth is humans are self cantered creatures, we made up entire religions and ways of living and beliefs to deny how unimportant we are as individuals. Any of us if we had that amount of wealth absolutely would think of ourselves first I think, even if we think we wouldn’t.

Me? Be uncivil? Anyone who would say otherwise is already banned

Buuuut I guess thanks also for not believing this kind of criticism means I'm showing up at the next ICE protest with a sign that says "LADY GAGA FAILED US"  the only real world effect my opinion has is that I'm a little less inclined to stream her music.

But does that even matter when she's got nearly $5k of my actual money in her pocket this year for 9 whole tickets to three Mayhem Ball shows?  I'm a conflicted person but it's my right as a human being to be a hypocrite 

I've got too much of a bleeding heart to sit on a fortune, I fear. I already willingly give my money to friends (hence 9 goddamn tickets to see Gaga, four of them VIP) and I was raised in poverty and now sit just north of comfortable  

[Bronco 16,826]

27 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

We need a progressive Tea Party style insurgency so bad lol

The issue is the purity test dogma in progressive groups. They demand perfection today which is just impossible. 

Like there's been some political drama in the UK over the weekend, and i've seen folks attacking a potential more left wing alternative to the PM because he took £1000 from an Israeli lobbying group in 2004. 
They've literally had to go back 22 years to find something to complain about. 

[dynamite 63,728]

11 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I already willingly give my money to friends