Why are all the pop girls silent?

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4 minutes ago, elegidadedios said:

Highly disagree. Just because we think different doesn't mean we don't care or don't do a thing. The same way I don't think people are being useless just for wanting celebs to speak up

I could be wrong, but I think @Bronco’s comment is aimed more at people who genuinely say celebs shouldn’t speak up and less people who are debating the utility of celebrity activism, but fundamentally agree about the issues themselves. 

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2 minutes ago, Bronco said:

There are plenty of users on this site that contribute nothing to political discussions even on here and only wade in now because Gaga's being criticised. 
So yeah, it's not people like you & me who disagree but have the same end goal in mind that I'm talking about. 

Ok sorry I just don't get things in english lately lol now I get you

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1 minute ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I could be wrong, but I think @Bronco’s comment is aimed more at people who genuinely say celebs shouldn’t speak up and less people who are debating the utility of celebrity activism, but fundamentally agree about the issues themselves. 

Yeah it's just my spanish mind twisting things lolol

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Just now, elegidadedios said:

Ok sorry I just don't get things in english lately lol now I get you

Haha I can see why you'd read it as including you since we've disagreed on this subject in the last few days

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7 minutes ago, highwayunic0rn said:

I’d doubt that was her first thought, she’s speaking on something that’s important to her and was wondering why her peers who have even more of a platform than her are going to make a stand.

And why should she wonder about it if she's not doing it for the sake of reflecting how good she is? It's called projection. I'm sorry, not trying to bash her, but I won't applaud her for doing so either

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36 minutes ago, Bronco said:

It's not backwards thinking. 

It's noticeable that the users pushing this stance do *nothing*. They either don't care and hate being called out for it, or have given up and hate seeing people who refuse to.

I definitely read it as a complacency in regards to the system of "influence" or whatever you wanna call it.

I'm enjoying the specific response of "why bully popstars? Go call a politician and get a law changed!"

You know who would be GREAT at putting pressure on lawmakers?

I'll give anyone here a hint if they ask for it

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3 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I definitely read it as a complacency in regards to the system of "influence" or whatever you wanna call it.

I'm enjoying the specific response of "why bully popstars? Go call a politician and get a law changed!"

You know who would be GREAT at putting pressure on lawmakers?

I'll give anyone here a hint if they ask for it

And you know which people have a more direct line of communication with? 
 

I’ll give you a hint if you ask 

I’ll even happily offer a hint about who pressured and negotiated de-escalation in MN, if you want! 

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Just now, Ladle Ghoulash said:

And you know who people have a more direct line of communication with? 
 

I’ll give you a hint if you ask 

I'm not sure what you mean

I'm not suggesting we bitch online until Lady Gaga contacts our senators for us.

I'm saying Lady Gaga (who probably has three living former presidents on speed dial...or maybe four if Joe hit her with the MAGA hotline, you never know) can use her massive following just like Katy did.

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5 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I'm not sure what you mean

I'm not suggesting we bitch online until Lady Gaga contacts our senators for us.

I'm saying Lady Gaga (who probably has three living former presidents on speed dial...or maybe four if Joe hit her with the MAGA hotline, you never know) can use her massive following just like Katy did.

Sure, but I think based on the level of exposure and the number of people who protested prior to either KP or BE getting involved suggests that their involvement, while a nice gesture, was by no means decisive. I think that’s a fairly accurate appraisal of the reach of celebrity political social media influence. 

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1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Lmao not the passive aggression from the person who was crying about me being “aggressive” the other day for respectfully clarifying a position that you repeatedly mischaracterized. Clownish buffoonery, but honestly shouldn’t expect less. 

I reported you for saying "Clownish buffoonery" to me and I added you to my ignored users list. I was being very respectful yesterday. Didn't call you any names. I was just posting reactions from fellow Minnesotans to show that they want and need more voice. Then you called it knee jerk reaction. This was aggression and there is nothing respectful about it. You can have all the people behind you saying clock it!!! I do not really care. I don't believe you are a good human being and I choose to halt my communication with you. A wolf in a sheep clothing is always dangerous than people who show their true colors.

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20 minutes ago, elsamars said:

I reported you for saying "Clownish buffoonery" to me and I added you to my ignored users list. I was being very respectful yesterday. Didn't call you any names. I was just posting reactions from fellow Minnesotans to show that they want and need more voice. Then you called it knee jerk reaction. This was aggression and there is nothing respectful about it. You can have all the people behind you saying clock it!!! I do not really care. I don't believe you are a good human being and I choose to halt my communication with you. A wolf in a sheep clothing is always dangerous than people who show their true colors.

The staggering lack of self-awareness here lmao. “I’ve reported you for saying ‘clownish buffoonery,’ anyway, you’re a bad human being and dangerous for respectfully disagreeing with me and I’m a good person for ignoring the substance of what you say and choosing to interpret it in bad faith.” But frankly, imagine my sigh of relief at “I choose to halt my communication with you.”
 

Be well, sister. Hope you figure out whatever it is you’ve got going on here and, in spite of your incapability to handle disagreement, I genuinely hope you stay safe out there. 

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2 hours ago, Bronco said:

It's not backwards thinking. 

It's noticeable that the users pushing this stance do *nothing*. They either don't care and hate being called out for it, or have given up and hate seeing people who refuse to. 

An echo chamber where we spend the whole time arguing about how we don't agree? 

I just believe that activists are more important than celebrities and they should be lifted and honored.

these elections we saw how many celebrities who were dems, or announced on twitter that they are, voted Trump.

How in one second all the companies who celebrated pride month during Biden's term, didn't care about it in 2025.

I grew up idolizing activists in my country who fought every single day for what is right, I mean my own mom was part of Machsom Watch‎, fighting every moment she could at the IDF borders for the freedom of Palestnians and it was since 2001 until she died by the same people who she fought for. and she didn't need celebrities to tell her to do so.

I mean, what is celebrity these days? even OF people are celebrities these days 

 

I come from a place of activism because this is what I knew my whole life, until I gave up and moved away from my country.

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On 1/25/2026 at 10:50 AM, Bronco said:

Support bts is whats needed during normal times.

Not when extrajudicial nazi death squads are executing people on the streets.

Thank you. Her silence is heartbreaking and her legacy will be remembered differently. 

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1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Sure, but I think based on the level of exposure and the number of people who protested prior to either KP or BE getting involved suggests that their involvement, while a nice gesture, was by no means decisive. I think that’s a fairly accurate appraisal of the reach of celebrity political social media influence. 

I think its important to remember that the key to pushing back against Agent Orange is sustained negative media coverage.

A litany of factors contribute to this, and the celebrity aspect is part of it. Because celebrities become the mouth piece of the upper class.

So obviously the movement has to be built from the ground up, and naturally this means that working class normal people do the heavy lifting for little to no acknowledgement. But a singular class is easy to contain, that's why its so important to see the middle class push back alongside the most exposed and to see the upper class break the silence and speak up. 

You can observe a pattern with every single de-escalation by the Trump admin.

First the people most impacted push back.

Then the middle class either join out of solidarity or because it comes to their neighbourhood. 

And finally, when the polls starting reflecting the problem and sinking. The GOP panic and start briefing anonymously, and the wealthy start wearing pin badges on the red carpet.

Its only at that pin badge stage where the Trump admin surrenders. 

Look at the shutdown - we never hit the pinbadge stage and we lost. The problem has to become un-ignorable for the celebrities and the wealthy to make Team Trump blink.

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29 minutes ago, Bronco said:

I think its important to remember that the key to pushing back against Agent Orange is sustained negative media coverage.

A litany of factors contribute to this, and the celebrity aspect is part of it. Because celebrities become the mouth piece of the upper class.

So obviously the movement has to be built from the ground up, and naturally this means that working class normal people do the heavy lifting for little to no acknowledgement. But a singular class is easy to contain, that's why its so important to see the middle class push back alongside the most exposed and to see the upper class break the silence and speak up. 

You can observe a pattern with every single de-escalation by the Trump admin.

First the people most impacted push back.

Then the middle class either join out of solidarity or because it comes to their neighbourhood. 

And finally, when the polls starting reflecting the problem and sinking. The GOP panic and start briefing anonymously, and the wealthy start wearing pin badges on the red carpet.

Its only at that pin badge stage where the Trump admin surrenders. 

Look at the shutdown - we never hit the pinbadge stage and we lost. The problem has to become un-ignorable for the celebrities and the wealthy to make Team Trump blink.

I agree with all of this, but I still maintain (which you also seem to agree with)that the bulk of that negative media exposure is happening outside of the sphere of celebrity social media activism. The one instance where I think celebrity activism was probably most useful, imo, was in pushing back against ABC/Disney about Kimmel being taken off air because the potential economic fallout of losing talent is very real for them, so in that case, that’s much more targeted and specific pressure. Much general celebrity activism (by way of posting content on social media) is a net positive, but I think largely marginal in impact, which is why I’m saying I don’t think it’s unnecessary or bad, but more that I don’t think it carries the weight some folks give it. 
 

At the end of the day, I think, like you said, the combined efforts of protestors showing up in MN, every day people sharing information and talking about it, and that either amounting to a semi-critical mass being aware and dissatisfied is essentially what resulted in Walz and Frey being in a position to negotiate with Trump. 

Edited January 27 by Ladle Ghoulash