Gaga hills you will die on

[Ziggy 12,596]

1 hour ago, Head Empty said:

The Joanne era was not as authentic as it was marketed to be.

Gaga needed a stripped down era after the maximalism of ARTPOP, so she crafted one. What rubs me the wrong way, is that she chose a style that, to this day, does not seem to be part of her actual DNA as an artist. She could've taken many paths that would've been much more believable, especially given the theming of the lyrics:

- a modern piano-based album
- a jazz-infused pop album
- a Springsteen-esque album

To name a few.

Instead she forced her voice to sound 3 decades older, put on a cowboy hat, brushed off her best southern accent and forced one of our mods to repeat "it's not country" for more than 10 years after release.

(I know it's not a country album but she sure as hell leaned in to it)

It looks like she wanted to take a left turn for the sake of it. To go down a route that nobody could predict, just to be contrary. That could be an interesting approach, were it not that the lyrical themes of the album are supposed to be very sincere, tragic and deep-rooted in her history as a person. 

I believe most of these songs on paper. But the production, the marketing and even the fashion made it feel like she was hiding herself more than ever.

nah she wanted ASIB and was inspired and we got joanne lmfao i feel like she was burnt out with no direction prior to that.

[Ziggy 12,596]

2 hours ago, PartySick said:

 

When she says she wasn't in a good place creatively, I believe it, 'cause it shows  

 

i've always felt like you can tell when she is really milking her brain for ideas. Certain crutches she leans on REALLY hard. 911 and fun tonight are the songs that feels the most effortless (from a songwriting standpoint) on the album and one is about losing her mind and the other is about severe depression and loneliness so like

 

 

yeah mama was not doing swell then

Edited Friday at 10:41 PM by Ziggy

[AVeryGagaHolyDick 28,160]

3 hours ago, Lisbeth Salander said:

I don’t understand the hate apathy towards Chromatica - potentially even from Gaga herself. I think it is one of her top 3 albums musically and at the very top when it comes to visuals. 
 

I mean I get that it was released during the pandemic but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a brilliant piece of work. 

The visuals are even worse than the music 

[AVeryGagaHolyDick 28,160]

1 hour ago, River said:

I still find it funny when her fans are dying on the "music not the bling" hill, when on the same album she sings about being rich like Donatella Versace and then "it's alright because I am rich as piss" on MJH. 

loving the music and not the bling doesn't mean that she's doesn't like to earn money and have a quality of life equal to her peers 

You clearly don’t understand what the Donatella and MJH lyrics mean 

[gagzus 16,898]

2 hours ago, River said:

U don't understand the European dance scene then because it's not true.

Each song represents a sub genre of the European electronic dance music.

And that's where Bloodpop failed because he doesn't understand it either.. he mimicked it.

The biggest mistake with this album is to work with an American main producer instead of with a Eurppean one. BURNS and Tchami saved the songs they worked on basically.

I think the thing also is; ARTPOP was an EDM album dressed in Pop music packaging and fans HATED it at the time. Where as Chromatica is the invert and a Pop album masked in a Dance album. 
 

I feel like after fans and the public had such a harsh reaction to her going full EDM after making EDM inspired and lite music for so long, was a small reason she was afraid to go all in on it for Chromatica.

Boys Noise would’ve made a better lead producer for sure for a House album I think.

[River 121,027]

12 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

You clearly don’t understand what the Donatella and MJH lyrics mean 

so explain it to me ms. swift

[gagzus 16,898]

A hill I’ll die on is Gaga could’ve and should’ve went deeper into making EDM music after ARTPOP and not cared about charts and fame. She absolutely cared too much about public perception after ARTPOP. She could’ve EASILY became the queen of electronic dance music, she could’ve worked with less known more experimental producers.

I’ll also die on the hill that she was absolutely NOTHING like Madonna until BTW happened. And luckily she quickly distanced herself from that.

Edited Friday at 11:17 PM by gagzus

[River 121,027]

1 minute ago, gagzus said:

I think the thing also is; ARTPOP was an EDM album dressed in Pop music packaging and fans HATED it at the time. Where as Chromatica is the invert and a Pop album masked in a Dance album. 
 

I feel like after fans and the public had such a harsh reaction to her going full EDM after making EDM inspired and lite music for so long, was a small reason she was afraid to go all in on it for Chromatica.

Boys Noise would’ve made a better lead producer for sure for a House album I think.

also the idea to make house music under 3 minutes was dumb, like u didn't even get the chance to vibe to it, to feel the music in your body and dance.. and when it's finally happening, it's over.

Like they heavily relied on remixes 

[Bronco 16,028]

3 minutes ago, gagzus said:

I think the thing also is; ARTPOP was an EDM album dressed in Pop music packaging and fans HATED it at the time. Where as Chromatica is the invert and a Pop album masked in a Dance album. 
 

I feel like after fans and the public had such a harsh reaction to her going full EDM after making EDM inspired and lite music for so long, was a small reason she was afraid to go all in on it for Chromatica.

Boys Noise would’ve made a better lead producer for sure for a House album I think.

I think part of the issue with ARTPOP's edm sound is that she was hitting that genre as it was reaching the end of its peak and the decline of dance music's popularity (especially in the US) was starting to kick in.

Like from 2014 onwards, trap and just rap/rnb and bedroom pop was just increasing in prominence. So Gaga was late to the party & was just doing waaay too much performance wise for the GP.

[gagzus 16,898]

1 minute ago, River said:

also the idea to make house music under 3 minutes was dumb, like u didn't even get the chance to vibe to it, to feel the music in your body and dance.. and when it's finally happening, it's over.

Like they heavily relied on remixes 

Oh absolutely, she also should’ve made it a Non-Stop Album where all the tracks go into each other like a nigbt in the club. But I fear that’s too much like COADF and she’s very much trying to steer away from being compared to Madonna again

[gagzus 16,898]

2 minutes ago, Bronco said:

I think part of the issue with ARTPOP's edm sound is that she was hitting that genre as it was reaching the end of its peak and the decline of dance music's popularity (especially in the US) was starting to kick in.

Like from 2014 onwards, trap and just rap/rnb and bedroom pop was just increasing in prominence. So Gaga was late to the party & was just doing waaay too much performance wise for the GP.

The thing is though, with the exception of a handful of songs made by DJs (which wouldn’t have been remotely successful without Gaga making dance music popular again btw) none of the “dance” songs on the radio were actual EDM though, where as ARTPOP was. Nothing on radio was close to songs like Mary Jane Holland, Sex Dreams, MANiCURE, Aura even GUY was nothing like the singles Zedd had on the radio because he had dance-pop singles but EDM album tracks.

Edited Friday at 11:22 PM by gagzus

[Starmie25 20,567]

4 hours ago, PartySick said:

95% of Monsters don't know how to recognize a genre  

 

 

trew

[HotLikeMexico 5,722]

Most Gaga fans have terrible taste in music.

[gagzus 16,898]

10 minutes ago, HotLikeMexico said:

Most Gaga fans have terrible taste in music.

I think they just lack an experienced pallet is more or less what I’ll say. It’s because she’s got 3 avenues of fans I feel.

You’ve got the bubblegum pop gays who fell for her as a popstar when she started without knowing her depth, the metal heads who fell in love with her for her message and connection to rock music during born this way, the fans who know her for her more “safe” music from Joanne - C2C - ASIB timeline where the focus was on her voice and piano skills. 
 

So you’ve got fans of hers who only like Pop, Rock and Adult Contemporary that they just don’t see the vision when her influences stray from those. That’s why I’ll never get when people don’t understand she’s a real musician who loves and takes influence from multiple genres. Personally I legit can vibe to any music of any genre, the only one I don’t vibe with is Death Metal

Edited Friday at 11:44 PM by gagzus

[bim 558]

1 hour ago, Ziggy said:

Britney has no daughters, but she does have a wayward niece in Gaga whose early career was very much built in large part in response the spectre of britney's downfall and the culture around it. Really fascinating relationship between the two of them.

Sadly, DWUW is better with R. Kelly. But in another world, a michael jackson version would have been next level.

 

Ohhh I love this Britney perspective. I hadn’t thought of it this way before.

You’ve also now given me a new Roman Empire with DWUW ft MJ. I don’t think I can recover from this. It’s one of her best songs, what a shame it has such a tainted energy to it, because the Christina version really doesn’t do it for me.