Ziggy 12,552 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) Dope is one of the best songs on the album and it was very well produced. Also better than IWBWU which is not that great imo Bwomp bwomp the r Kelly version of DWUW is best but in another world Michael Jackson would have bodied that song like no other. Even finished it still feels underbaked. She needed proper rest. There was no fantastic album here imo but some interesting ideas that made fun tracks that while not up to par with prior work is still good. It’s great to listen to on a flight bc the sounds come through the white noise of the plane well; I sleep to it often While not really having a GREAT album in it I like to think of it as a mixtape of sketches and feelings she had at the time. Makes more sense like that She should have leaned really hard into the silliness and kept stuff like the manicure bridge. I still laugh at “goodbye!” Ad lib sexxx dreams is awesome but I do feel like she wasn’t quite sure who she was inspired by bc you hear Janet and Prince all over it but it feels kind of unintentional as opposed to thoughtful lol that’s fine it just makes me smile a little when I listen I actually don’t think it was an ambitious album. It was a reactive one. She was lost, tired and had a lot of feelings about it. Through that lens it’s a more interesting collection. applause and DWUW are the only true blue single worthy tracks imo its one of my favorite covers of hers. Just bonkers and weird. there was a massive aesthetic and direction pivot for the album at-large post applause music video Botticelli babe that was never discussed but was clearly there. It’s one of her most iconic looks also I liked the early version of Gypsy better. The personal touches made it feel more tactile and real whereas the final song sounds like TEOG-lite (still good but good next to great I only just good). GUY video is bookie but I loved that red swimsuit look. Her makeup was goooorgeous, too. Italiana Mama Edited January 11 by Ziggy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
27monster27 14,667 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 ARTPOP was not dated on arrival. People like to conveniently forget about the success of Break Free, Love Me Harder, Sky Full of Stars, Cool For the Summer, Something Just Like This, etc. She did a Complextro/Electro-House album while (almost) everyone else was doing Deep House and Progressive House. The only song that truly fit into this trend was Gypsy. The main way ARTPOP was ahead of its time was the concept and execution of the era, which was anti-capitalist and anti-corporatist. To do this as someone as privileged as her before it was trendy is definitely important. This is the same as Born This Way, because that album started showing how ahead of its time it was lyrically and thematically come the 2016 election cycle. Lady Gaga had every right to be self-referential and elitist during this era given how she was being treated by the media at the time. That was her response and people needed to hear it whether they hated it or not. (We could also talk about how white women in particular get attacked for this the most, but a lot of people aren't ready for that conversation.) The DWUW promo drag that she did against the media was 100% deserved. People only complained about certain things from this era that she constantly did during other eras (vomit art, accents in interviews, method acting, etc.) because she wasn't as popular anymore. I don't like how fans put most of the blame on her for everything that happened during this era. he/him/his 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVeryGagaHolyDick 28,041 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Yeah, but at least MAYHEM’s concept doesn’t pretend to have this highfaultin pseudo-philosophical concept and just owns that it’s a framework to justify including genre eclecticism. I understand that, but tbh I prefer when albums have a vision. Sometimes, it’s not greatly executed (ARTPOP, even thought the music is great), and it’s definitely more risky to try to make an album out of an idea. While I understand that some people are turned off but the ambition if the execution is messy, I prefer when the body of work is thought before the music, like you can tell Gaga called her album MAYHEM at the end of the recording process because she thought it would make sense, rather than initially thinking about mayhem and go for it 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
27monster27 14,667 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 2 minutes ago, Ziggy said: sexxx dreams is awesome but I do feel like she wasn’t quite sure who she was inspired by bc you hear Janet and Prince all over it but it feels kind of unintentional as opposed to thoughtful lol that’s fine it just makes me smile a little when I listen I actually see some Gwen Stefani vibes in the song with the back and forth during the verses similar to What You Waiting For. he/him/his 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 12,552 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 minute ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said: I understand that, but tbh I prefer when albums have a vision. Sometimes, it’s not greatly executed (ARTPOP, even thought the music is great), and it’s definitely more risky to try to make an album out of an idea. While I understand that some people are turned off but the ambition if the execution is messy, I prefer when the body of work is thought before the music, like you can tell Gaga called her album MAYHEM at the end of the recording process because she thought it would make sense, rather than initially thinking about mayhem and go for it Tbf that’s every Gaga album with the exception of BTW TFM for instance got a marketing concept for a handful of new tracks but it was pretty clever so it stuck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVeryGagaHolyDick 28,041 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, Ziggy said: Tbf that’s every Gaga album with the exception of BTW TFM for instance got a marketing concept for a handful of new tracks but it was pretty clever so it stuck. She also called her album ARTPOP and had a vision for it before making it. I think she also started Joanne that way? We’ll probably never know for sure, and I believe The Fame also had a vision even if it didn’t have a title yet Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 33,286 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 13 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said: I understand that, but tbh I prefer when albums have a vision. Sometimes, it’s not greatly executed (ARTPOP, even thought the music is great), and it’s definitely more risky to try to make an album out of an idea. While I understand that some people are turned off but the ambition if the execution is messy, I prefer when the body of work is thought before the music, like you can tell Gaga called her album MAYHEM at the end of the recording process because she thought it would make sense, rather than initially thinking about mayhem and go for it I like albums having a concept if the concept feels organic to the body of work. ARTPOP’s “concept” feels like it’s largely superimposed on a relatively unrelated body of work, whereas MAYHEM just owns that it was Gaga writing what she wanted to write at the time, which feels both more honest and consistent to me. I appreciate that with MAYHEM that she let the music stand on its own as an excellent collection of pop songs and then used the material to create what I think is probably one of her most ambitious and thematically coherent stage shows and two of the best videos of her career. That, to me, feels like Gaga’s multimedia artistry at it’s best. Edited January 11 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 12,552 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said: She also called her album ARTPOP and had a vision for it before making it. I think she also started Joanne that way? We’ll probably never know for sure, and I believe The Fame also had a vision even if it didn’t have a title yet Noooooo lolol the fame is very much a late concept for sure. A lot of debuts are that way. She’d been working on it the longest of any album and it was a collection of those songs that she retro-fitted a concept to. TFM was a re release that she attached a concept to later Joanne was a pursuit of sorts for sure. Chromatica was definitely concept later lol mayhem, too. i think Gaga’s most successful albums generally speaking are the ones where she sees the concept later rather than chases it. When she does the latter some of the music starts to feel redundant or ham fisted imo but she’s good at reading where she is in a moment looking at what she made and naming it and concepting that. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorehound 4,945 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Bronco said: Venus is the one song left on my "need to hear live" list for Gaga Ye man! Despite it's flaws like the bridge and overall production, I rly think it's a f*cking good Gaga song. I'm fine, Ta 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 165,051 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 10 hours ago, River said: Fashion! sounds like a bunch of 40 years old friends singing in their garage, pretending to be a band from the 80s, in the middle life crisis. 7 hours ago, liamgaga said: I think Fashion! Is one of her most boring songs. 7 hours ago, huttont said: Fashion! is one of the worst songs she’s ever made. Lemme bookmark this thread for @Admin to see. I remember gushing about ARTPOP one day and he poked his head in the door, said Fashion! was the only good song on the album, and then left me standing there, alone and stunned 🥀 1 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 165,051 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 ARTPOP was the album that made me a fan The BTW era got me a little hooked but aside from a couple songs (Hair acoustic, Electric Chapel) I was largely disinterested 'cause the album's ideas were too big for me to care about at the time and TF/M was still "meh" to me. But when she debuted Swine at the iTunes Festival? ...it was the first time since MJ that I had truly felt seen by an artist of that caliber. Happy Mistake rose to the top of my list so fast, Joanne is my favorite album and the title track sits comfortably in my top 5, but Swine and Dope have always been present in the top 3 and I don't think that'll ever change Those two songs are the one-two punch that told me she was really something, someone, I had to pay attention to. The album came just a few years after my worst SA experiences and while I was still struggling with substance abuse to cope with how much I was hurting. Before all this (GGD, modding, the Monsters, the "connections", the ability to even dream of seeing her live) it was just me, my friend, Gaga, and ARTPOP until 2014 when I was so privileged to go to the opening night of the artRAVE. Even though nearly all of my other favorite Gaga stuff is post-ARTPOP, that era and album will always be special to me because it truly felt like a conversation between me and Gaga, two people who's lives couldn't be different but an empathy could still exist between us if we met Also Jewels n' Drugs is a whole bop and anyone who dislikes it is TASTELESS 🥀 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PornoDanceFight 551 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 The album has never been interesting enough to warrant as many revisits to it as the overall era was. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubstep111 709 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 11 hours ago, NUTELLA said: 1) The era had some of her prettiest hair/makeup looks… but also some of her most awful outfits 2) The album is impressively cohesive, production-wise. Even if the sonic throughline is “angry, farting robot pig” 3) The most fun lyric to sing is MJH’s “cause I love love, cause I love love, you better than, you better than, my darkest sin” …at the top of your lungs, in the car 4) Even the best songs on the album (DWUW, Sexxx Dreams, Fashion! & Applause) feel amateur & stilted by the standards she had previously established for herself #3 ha ha I’m glad you brought this part up , I always thought she said “cause I love love cause I love love you better than you better than Montauk you said!” Lol 😂 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyVersace 9,099 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 11 hours ago, Blackout19 said: - Do What U Want (with that guy) its the best version of the song I hate how true this is 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 120,947 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, PartySick said: Lemme bookmark this thread for @Admin to see. I remember gushing about ARTPOP one day and he poked his head in the door, said Fashion! was the only good song on the album, and then left me standing there, alone and stunned looking good and feeling dumb slay slay So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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