TIME calls-out Taylor’s silence on Trump admin using her music

[DavidLuis198 1,190]

6 hours ago, River said:

I think the turning point where things changed was when she spoke up in favor of BLM and POC rights and was attacked back, I don't remember the reasons, but there was some kind of a backlash and her tweet was not received well.. and then slowly she started to speak less and less and focus on LGBTQ+ issues here and there.

https://x.com/ladygaga/status/897520484635377664

I was just thinking about this while reading this topic, and I agree that something changed when she got the backlash for asking how white people could help and be actively anti-racist.

But, even after this backlash she donated her Instagram to black organizations to use in 2020 after the George Floyd assassination and had that (amazing) talk with Bernice King about the power of unlearning and how white people can fight against racism. So yes, she can talk about issues that she herself is not an expert if she really wants to…

But in the same talk she said something really interesting, I won’t remember the exact words, but she said something like “How can I know how to speak perfectly about LGBTQ+ issues but don’t know exactly how to speak on racism and other topics”, and I think this whole experience and “fear” of saying the wrong thing is definitely why she’s been so “silent” lately

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8 hours ago, PartySick said:

Yeah but there's always this more sour side of things. Like, Gaga would probably have said nothing about trans rights if she wasn't being actively pulled on stage to receive a Grammy. And even then, the statement sounded like a platitude. A general "being queer is cool" when there are so many specific attacks against the queer community, especially trans people, that she could have and still should be calling attention to.

"I was Born This Way" just doesn't cut it for me anymore. Probably due to my own radicalization and disgust at the active destruction and vitriol coming from the right and the apparent apathy of people like Gaga and apolitical types, but yeah. 

2012 Gaga would be burning the flag in front of the white house and leading a J6 styled riot by now  but 2025 Gaga just says "being gay is totally cool, guys. Btw have you met my fiance? He's made life worth living xoxoxoxoxo"

And again, if she never earned my respect in the first place I wouldn't care. Like, Taylor can go to hell 'cause I don't give a damn about her but I love Gaga and I want her to continue being the light she used to be. No hate, just disappointment.

This is what bothers me personally. In 2024 she actually did great with the statement about Dylan Mulvaney because she went into specifics, but she stopped again after that. The current major attacks against trans-people (besides the "something something grooming something something") are a form of entryism where feminist spaces are being infiltrated with TERF ideology to appropriate it into transphobia. I want Lady Gaga to get deep into the specifics of issues like in 2009 - 2017.

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2 hours ago, DavidLuis198 said:

But in the same talk she said something really interesting, I won’t remember the exact words, but she said something like “How can I know how to speak perfectly about LGBTQ+ issues but don’t know exactly how to speak on racism and other topics”, and I think this whole experience and “fear” of saying the wrong thing is definitely why she’s been so “silent” lately

This is another issue that I, as a strong leftist, take issue with. The hyperfocus on perfectionism in things is getting out of hand.

We could talk about how successful white women (Katy Perry, Madonna, etc.) are being left behind when it comes to feminism, but a lot of people clearly aren't ready for that conversation.

[PartySick 163,634]

2 hours ago, Lucas said:

Around 1 year ago on this forum there was a topic about Gaga not speaking up anymore, and I was part of the 1% saying that Gaga should speak up.

The other 99% were saying that celebs should remain silent, that they don't want Gaga to speak, that Gaga and other LGBTQ+ allies know nothing about our issues etc... Let me tell you I've never insulted people so much in my head  it was so cringe that people on this very forum are stupid enough to say things like this.

It's like...what do we give celebrities platforms for?  

3 minutes ago, 27monster27 said:

This is what bothers me personally. In 2024 she actually did great with the statement about Dylan Mulvaney because she went into specifics, but she stopped again after that. The current major attacks against trans-people (besides the "something something grooming something something") are a form of entryism where feminist spaces are being infiltrated with TERF ideology to appropriate it into transphobia. I want Lady Gaga to get deep into the specifics of issues like in 2009 - 2017.

Same. I want her to be the queer crusader again instead of coming off as this detached rich woman.

People often bring up Palestine when we say we want Gaga to speak out, and sure it'd be nice for her to offer a statement on standing against genocide and what we can do to help people in Gaza, but honestly? People right here in her home country, especially women, the queer community, and immigrants, are dealing with so much and the issues aren't terribly complicated. They're very much black and white. Right vs wrong.

@Lucas do you remember when stans said "she probably can't speak up about Trump because she's part of the Biden administration and has some kind of government confidentiality thing going on"?  

Like yes, the ambassador to the arts or whatever made up title Biden gave to her 'cause they were buds really prevents her from saying anything about the state of civil rights in our country  

I didn't mean to go off on this tangent for this long but I mean...I've dropped like $5k on tickets to her shows next year and she cost me nearly $1k in wasted travel expenses in Oct 'cause she had a sore throat so I feel entitled to say "I'm a huge fan but I have some sh*t to talk"

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13 hours ago, PartySick said:

I mean. This isn't me defending the billionaire plague but we can't really throw stones here 'cause all Gaga fans live in a glass house these days in regards of "speaking up" about things  

She could have done so much and still made millions 

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14 minutes ago, ChicaSkas said:

She could have done so much and still made millions 

At this point she probably makes millions in passive income from sources we wouldn't even think of or know about.

Idk, if I could theorize I think she's just terrified of bad PR these days. She and Bobby worked so hard to curate a more GP friendly image for her after ARTPOP and after the peak of ASIB and the very warm reception of her work since, especially Mayhem, she's terrified to say the wrong thing and have the conversation once again be "well, Lady Gaga said _____".

Now with Michael taking such an omnipresent role in her...well, everything, she's happy enough just being a singer.

But then the conversation gets into her own psychology, risk aversion, her apparent trad wife tendencies, how every man she gets with is just her father in some way, and I just don't have it in me to talk about her personal life in that depth anymore  

If I was in her position, I'd take 20 minutes before each show to learn about the area then during the show I'd make it a point to mention local elections or local petitions. Like, at my JWT date she mentioned the petition they were passing around to reinstate the voting rights of over a million felons in Florida. Thousands of signatures were snatched at that show. We ended up getting that on the ballot and it passed  sh*t like that is HUGE.

[27monster27 14,347]

21 minutes ago, PartySick said:

@Lucas do you remember when stans said "she probably can't speak up about Trump because she's part of the Biden administration and has some kind of government confidentiality thing going on"?  

 

16 minutes ago, ChicaSkas said:

She could have done so much and still made millions 

This is something else I've been nervous about saying... but here we go.wav since I think it's the time.

I think Lady Gaga fetishizes establishment Democrats, which is why she is so close to them. She spent so much of 2011 - 2013 openly displaying this (Government Hooker, Clinton Foundation, calling Michelle Obama a tramp at the inaugural ball 2013, the 2013 AMA performance, etc.).

EDIT: Especially how she in 2020 revealed that apparently she was the one who talked Joe Biden into running for president, and it was some kind of sweet moment between them or something.

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Genuine question do artists have power to being closed doors get their song removed from these posts? 

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28 minutes ago, 27monster27 said:

 

This is something else I've been nervous about saying... but here we go.wav since I think it's the time.

I think Lady Gaga fetishizes establishment Democrats, which is why she is so close to them. She spent so much of 2011 - 2013 openly displaying this (Government Hooker, Clinton Foundation, calling Michelle Obama a tramp at the inaugural ball 2013, the 2013 AMA performance, etc.).

EDIT: Especially how she in 2020 revealed that apparently she was the one who talked Joe Biden into running for president, and it was some kind of sweet moment between them or something.

She's for sure an old school Democrat. It's an antiquated stance, one I'm happy I grew out of personally, but not one that I think is morally wrong. Biden was a fine president, mainstream Dems tend to just be politicians you'll often disagree with, not people who are straight up nasty evil.

To that I say look at her father and think of how much worse it could be  

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4 minutes ago, PartySick said:

She's for sure an old school Democrat. It's an antiquated stance, one I'm happy I grew out of personally, but not one that I think is morally wrong. Biden was a fine president, mainstream Dems tend to just be politicians you'll often disagree with, not people who are straight up nasty evil.

To that I say look at her father and think of how much worse it could be  

That is a fair point. At least she isn't like her father lol.

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14 hours ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

Sabrina’s move was childish to me tbh, like I get why she’s bothered but using social media to say it is what I would’ve done when I was 15, giving even more clout to the WH’s post

Sis, no. 

[Bronco 14,209]

1 hour ago, LadyEnigma said:

Genuine question do artists have power to being closed doors get their song removed from these posts? 

Yes, its a copyright violation.

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2 hours ago, 27monster27 said:

This is what bothers me personally. In 2024 she actually did great with the statement about Dylan Mulvaney because she went into specifics, but she stopped again after that. The current major attacks against trans-people (besides the "something something grooming something something") are a form of entryism where feminist spaces are being infiltrated with TERF ideology to appropriate it into transphobia. I want Lady Gaga to get deep into the specifics of issues like in 2009 - 2017.

I mean, she specifically addressed and denounced the violence directed towards trans people during her Las Culturistas interview.

[artdoll 46,694]

16 hours ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

Sabrina’s move was childish to me tbh, like I get why she’s bothered but using social media to say it is what I would’ve done when I was 15, giving even more clout to the WH’s post

To be fair, how else could she get the message across publicly so quickly? Aside from this, the WH account almost immediately took the post down after she quoted it and her post did insane numbers.

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17 hours ago, PartySick said:

I mean. This isn't me defending the billionaire plague but we can't really throw stones here 'cause all Gaga fans live in a glass house these days in regards of "speaking up" about things  

I cant put them on the same levels

 

Gaga at least has spoken out even when it didnt benefit her career

 

Taylor has only pertended to speak out on controversial things by finally speaking out about them when they werent as controversial anymore and in fact arguably more controversial not to

 

For example Gaga speaking on LGBT in 2009 was controversial

 

Taylor releasing Calm Down in mid to late 2010s was not controversial anymore in mainstream media. If anything had she waited any longer to show suppport it would become truly controversial so she had to start

 

Shes as calculating as they come