TIME calls-out Taylor’s silence on Trump admin using her music

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33 minutes ago, Borisapillar said:

ok

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1 hour ago, PunkTheFunk said:

As much as I love Gaga, she doesn't get a pass from me. She's been noticeably silent on issues that I would have expected her to be outspoken on, but GGD isn't ready for that conversation 

 

Plus, her dad being a regular on Fox News, worshipping Trump like his life depends on it. I wish Gaga would reprimand him publicly for that.

We all laugh at Katy's conservative parents, but they’re not out there spreading Republican talking points on live tv every two months. At this point, Fox News should give Joe Germanotta his own talk show lol 

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I mean, I’m of the camp that celeb activism is overrated, hollow, largely performative and generally only marginally effective unless it’s accompanied by an actual pressure campaign towards specific action. The compulsory speech component where people basically try to bully celebrities into mirroring their positions so they’ll post some canned infographic that will make the fan more comfortable to consume their product is also corny as hell, tbh.
 

As a public performance, it has certain symbolic value, but it, in many ways, feels like a glorified version of stan war nonsense (“oh mother absolutely ENDED the White House on Twitter!”). Under Trump specifically, most celebs seem to oppose him and his base (ie the people that would need to hear the oppositional messaging the most) have been thoroughly inundated and propagandized against celebrities (“fake news media,” “Hollyweird,” “liberal elites”) that it will never resonate with them or even reach them, so it feels an awful lot like preaching to the choir.
 

As far as Gaga is concerned, she’s done more for the LGBTQ+ community in garnering the initial wave of acceptance and cultural normalization towards the beginning of the 2000s than most public figures that I don’t necessarily expect her to do much more. Similarly, I also think a lot of fans who want their faves to speak up just can’t deal with the ambiguity of “how does my fave feel about Palestine” and what fans are usually asking for isn’t activism, but rather affirmation of their feelings + parasocial attachment to their fave.

Call me cynical, but I think if you’re talking “activism” and what celebrities have to say is anywhere near the center of the conversation, you should probably re-evaluate your priorities lol. 

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1 hour ago, PartySick said:

I mean. This isn't me defending the billionaire plague but we can't really throw stones here 'cause all Gaga fans live in a glass house these days in regards of "speaking up" about things  

Yeah, I'm really surprised we didn't really get anything from Gaga on World AIDS Day given her normally full throated support for the community. 

Like Trump literally cancelled all funding for the US gov to commemorate WAD this year, and the *only* gay icon I saw say anything about it was Madonna. It's really disappointing. 

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Taylor is very very protective of her music that it's surprising this hasn't happened already and she probably wont do anything til there's SOME backlash online or articles like this talking about it. She's probably going to be pushed to get it removed and be like "It took this long because we took it to court for months, not because I didn't care til it was affecting my reputation" and people are going to be like "Oh wow, legend, speak up, wow more artists should do this " and then she's going to be like "And this is why I'm releasing Reputation Deluxe with 13 Vault Tracks in 13 different vinyls, but order now because it's only available for 31 mins".

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2 hours ago, River said:

 

GGD is not ready for her both sides message 

If fans are expecting her to go free Palestine and genocide, they better prepare themselves for a disappointed because the maximum she would say about this certain issue, is "peace and love ya'll". She's about to get marry with a Jewish, Zionist, person.

And ya'll are not ready to know WHO is designing her wedding dress....  it's all over the Israeli news lol

 

OT: Taylor is a Republican, always had been, always will be. her Kamala endorsement was a PR stunt.

 

is it noted he's a zionist? I feel like people keep saying things but never with much to really corroborate that. Like the people who said Gaga is a Zionist bc she performed in Israel in 2014 like...guys be so fr she's a college drop out who was high out of her mind at the time, I HIGHLY doubt she was thinking about whether or not Israel was a genocidal state when she took the gig as until this most recent violence most *Americans* weren't. I'm not saying she's not or he's not bc i plainly dont know, but I feel like I need something more substantive than the things that have been presented so far bc they lack historical context and critical thinking lol

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1 hour ago, Bronco said:

Like Trump literally cancelled all funding for the US gov to commemorate WAD this year, and the *only* gay icon I saw say anything about it was Madonna. It's really disappointing. 

Love her or hate her, Madonna is truly one of very few who always speaks up for this community. 

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3 hours ago, TEANUS said:

I think most of Gaga’s stances on things are rather obvious and always have been lol. She always uses her shows to promote LGBTQ+ rights, kindness, and acceptance. Not to mention Angel Down in the US at The Chromatica Ball, her performances for the Biden campaign/admin, etc. It says something to me that the Trump admin knows better than to use her artistry for their messaging but teeters on the line with some of these other girls….

Taylor was infamously politically ambiguous for years really until Lover era, then went on the biggest tour of all time in some of the most conservative places in the country and couldn’t make ONE (1) statement about LGBTQ+, reproductive rights, etc.

I know you call yourself a fan rather than a Stan these days but cmon 

no this exactly like when me and my boyfriend watched weekend 1 of her coachella set he picked up on her subtexts and like the costume design and what not 

 

if yall don’t think gaga’s music isn’t political for a min then did we even listen to born this way??

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32 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

is it noted he's a zionist? I feel like people keep saying things but never with much to really corroborate that. Like the people who said Gaga is a Zionist bc she performed in Israel in 2014 like...guys be so fr she's a college drop out who was high out of her mind at the time, I HIGHLY doubt she was thinking about whether or not Israel was a genocidal state when she took the gig as until this most recent violence most *Americans* weren't. I'm not saying she's not or he's not bc i plainly dont know, but I feel like I need something more substantive than the things that have been presented so far bc they lack historical context and critical thinking lol

He has pharma business in Israel, on cancer research, he’s donating money to Israeli institutions and so on.

Alon Livne is designing her wedding dress.

I’m not saying that she’s Zionist but at the same time not every person who says something nice about Israel or working with Israelis is a Zionist lol

Gaga proved numerous of times that she’s not on the progressive side of the democratic party.. she’s more a Biden than a Bernie.

And she was in Israel twice.. for TFB and ArtRave, she knows the situation.. she’s not dumb..

It’s just her fans living in a denial because they live in an echo chamber..

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3 hours ago, PartySick said:

I mean. This isn't me defending the billionaire plague but we can't really throw stones here 'cause all Gaga fans live in a glass house these days in regards of "speaking up" about things  

As much as I do wish Gaga would speak up more, I have to remind myself that her artistry and what she does speaks to so many issues without needing the explicit statement. Yet, she mentioned Trans rights when accepting an award (Grammy? I can't remember), and often will drop comments throughout her shows and interviews (I remember her talking about Roe v Wade during CBT in DC). 

Mainly though, when Lady Gaga is at an event performing/ appearing, she IS political by her existence because everyone already is aware of where she stands and she makes statements or her actions make the statements when the time is called for (Remember her delaying a whole album due to the pandemic). 

Taylor Swift is truthfully just not that type of artist or human, as much as I think she believes she is. She holds a signature weight as an artist to society, but one that is obviously materialistic and superficial. And as time has gone on and her career has grown, I have only ever seen and heard of her becoming more comfortable acting that way. 

Also- we know Taylor loves to write crappy songs about people she doesn't like or who she thinks wronged her.... so I guess that can speak out to how she feels about the current political environment. If it doesn't affect her, she doesn't care. What she really cares about is people not liking her mediocre ass music... maybe if the WH dissed her music then we would see some smoke

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1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I mean, I’m of the camp that celeb activism is overrated, hollow, largely performative and generally only marginally effective unless it’s accompanied by an actual pressure campaign towards specific action. The compulsory speech component where people basically try to bully celebrities into mirroring their positions so they’ll post some canned infographic that will make the fan more comfortable to consume their product is also corny as hell, tbh.

As a public performance, it has certain symbolic value, but it, in many ways, feels like a glorified version of stan war nonsense (“oh mother absolutely ENDED the White House on Twitter!”). Under Trump specifically, most celebs seem to oppose him and his base (ie the people that would need to hear the oppositional messaging the most) have been thoroughly inundated and propagandized against celebrities (“fake news media,” “Hollyweird,” “liberal elites”) that it will never resonate with them or even reach them, so it feels an awful lot like preaching to the choir.

As far as Gaga is concerned, she’s done more for the LGBTQ+ community in garnering the initial wave of acceptance a cultural normalization towards the beginning of the 2000s than most public figures that I don’t necessarily expect her to do much more. Similarly, I also think a lot of fans who want their faves to speak up just can’t deal with the ambiguity of “how does my fave feel about Palestine” and what fans are usually asking for isn’t activism, but rather affirmation of their feelings + parasocial attachment to their fave.

Call me cynical, but I think if you’re talking “activism” and what celebrities have to say is anywhere near the center of the conversation, you should probably re-evaluate your priorities lol. 

I'm going to be corny and say a sincere thank you for putting into words everything I've ever felt about this topic but haven't been able to articulate  

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30 minutes ago, River said:

He has pharma business in Israel, on cancer research, he’s donating money to Israeli institutions and so on.

Alon Livne is designing her wedding dress.

I’m not saying that she’s Zionist but at the same time not every person who says something nice about Israel or working with Israelis is a Zionist lol

Gaga proved numerous of times that she’s not on the progressive side of the democratic party.. she’s more a Biden than a Bernie.

And she was in Israel twice.. for TFB and ArtRave, she knows the situation.. she’s not dumb..

It’s just her fans living in a denial because they live in an echo chamber..

Again…I REALLY think yall over estimate the foreign policy knowledge of Americans if you think she knew lmfao and to be clear I’m not a delusional fan here. I’ve critiqued her to the point of warnings on this site and being told I’m a fake fan. I’m just saying I think we’re letting an information recency bias blind the fact that genuinely most Americans viewed it as an “endlessly complicated Mideast struggle” which itself was a narrative created by the government and Israel’s. Like I’ve been alive long enough to know you really cannot underestimate how little Americans knew about the Middle East which is exactly how the Iraq invasion was able to happen. I’m not defending her going I’m saying I doubt it was this full throated support of a genocidal state since that’s just not how Americans understood the state of Israel for decades. Like it’s okay she, like many, was dumb lol

 

now, all this said, on Michael I would believe it bc those kinds of dealings do require a certain level of engagement enough to know, but even putting aside conjecture, that’s ugly bad business.

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3 hours ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

Sabrina’s move was childish to me tbh, like I get why she’s bothered but using social media to say it is what I would’ve done when I was 15, giving even more clout to the WH’s post

Yeah, but you'd be 15 making a post to a dozen followers, she has millions who now know her stance and it made national news. They are not the same thing

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10 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

Again…I REALLY think yall over estimate the foreign policy knowledge of Americans if you think she knew lmfao and to be clear I’m not a delusional fan here. I’ve critiqued her to the point of warnings on this site and being told I’m a fake fan. I’m just saying I think we’re letting an information recency bias blind the fact that genuinely most Americans viewed it as an “endlessly complicated Mideast struggle” which itself was a narrative created by the government and Israel’s. Like I’ve been alive long enough to know you really cannot underestimate how little Americans knew about the Middle East which is exactly how the Iraq invasion was able to happen. I’m not defending her going I’m saying I doubt it was this full throated support of a genocidal state since that’s just not how Americans understood the state of Israel for decades. Like it’s okay she, like many, was dumb lol

 

now, all this said, on Michael I would believe it bc those kinds of dealings do require a certain level of engagement enough to know, but even putting aside conjecture, that’s ugly bad business.

I know how ignorant Americans are about the conflict, in the last 2 years they showed it very well, no matter the side they are, the amount of disinformation they believe in is pretty shocking. none of them speaks the truth, it's either an Israeli propaganda or Hamas-Qatar propaganda.

Mind you, the ArtRave happened a week after a small war and it was suggested for her to cancel it and she didn't and BDS tried to make her cancel the show through protests and letters and she didn't, she gave them the middle fingers and pissed them off.

For 2 years she didn't say a word about the war, not in favor of Israel or in favor of Palestine.

Fans created the narrative that WB told her not to say anything, which was purely their imagination.

In all the interviews this era, none one journalist asked her about the war, which means that the team banned the topic.

 

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3 hours ago, River said:

And ya'll are not ready to know WHO is designing her wedding dress....  it's all over the Israeli news lol

Were you not like "god I hope GGD never finds out" and then you're the first one to mention it?