Hayley Williams Said Transphobic, Sexist, & Racist Not Welcome At Her Concerts

[Ladle Ghoulash 29,855]

5 hours ago, faysalaaa said:

In reality, most people that go to her concert wont qualify entry, but nobody views themselves as these things.

I know this is off topic, but almost every Gay person I meet in America is transphobic! They always go on random rants about trans people, and I feel uncomfortable so I just nod along, and then I feel guilty for days for not saying anything! Is this normal or just my experience?

Most of the gay people I know aren’t transphobic and I don’t feel like it’s the norm for gay people in the US to be transphobic, but I could be wrong.

Edited 17 hours ago by Ladle Ghoulash

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4 hours ago, hELXIG said:

Girl I hope you're joking   her best friend is gay and they started a hair dye brand together and she even wrote a song about him called My Friend. One of her other close friends and Paramore band member is gay, she was going to perform with Arlo Parks before the pandemic stopped it, she had Boygenius come and record on Roses/Lotus/Violet/Iris, she recently performed with Rico Nasty, the list goes on

And I mean she straight up said supported the LGBTQIA+ community

 

 

He’s dragging queer transphobes, racists, and misogynists, not Hayley. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Ladle Ghoulash

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5 hours ago, faysalaaa said:

In reality, most people that go to her concert wont qualify entry, but nobody views themselves as these things.

I know this is off topic, but almost every Gay person I meet in America is transphobic! They always go on random rants about trans people, and I feel uncomfortable so I just nod along, and then I feel guilty for days for not saying anything! Is this normal or just my experience?

Probably just means ur non confrontational by nature like me (especially in the the real world not online) 

 

So many times i hear really stupid sh*t I dont agree with but i rarely stand up to anything or anyone cuz i dont have that kind of confidence or courage. I just like to avoid conflict

 

The positive thing is I rarely have ppl i cant get along with and I dont have fights over petty things cuz im really good at letting small stuff go. 

 

The bad thing is theres times I should really open my mouth and stand up for something imoortant and I just dont

[faysalaaa 5,030]

1 hour ago, Economy said:

Probably just means ur non confrontational by nature like me (especially in the the real world not online) 

 

So many times i hear really stupid sh*t I dont agree with but i rarely stand up to anything or anyone cuz i dont have that kind of confidence or courage. I just like to avoid conflict

 

The positive thing is I rarely have ppl i cant get along with and I dont have fights over petty things cuz im really good at letting small stuff go. 

 

The bad thing is theres times I should really open my mouth and stand up for something imoortant and I just dont

Im very confrontational but not with strangers. Im Autistic and have alot of anxiety, specially that I live in a foreign country. I can bring myself to be confrontational with a stranger if I know what im getting myself into, but when it happens by surprise, I freeze and I dont have my social script rehearsed lol

1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Most of the gay people I know aren’t transphobic and I don’t feel like it’s the norm for gay people in the US to be transphobic, but I could be wrong.

No ofcourse most Gays are not transphobic, which is why I get shocked when it happens to me in America, because I think im in a safe space. But I will say it happens more than I would think, all of the sudden we are talking about how trans people are going too far.

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3 hours ago, Alxjcgn said:

So sexual orientation and then identity are different. Within the community that now seemingly wants to blend the two, There is a lot of understandable frustration. My advice is to just stay positive and be a kind soul who is also patient to others, and strive to do so even when it gets hard (and apologize for/recognize bad moments).

But being a gay fan of Hayley, I have to say in a cunty way, that the message is to not show up if you're too sour to live life. **** is hitting the fan left and right, but can we just remember how to appreciate us as people and vibe with ourselves and align ourselves with other in that way. 

Literally saving this in my phone because I have been struggling to explain this to my friends for YEARS!

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10 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Most of the gay people I know aren’t transphobic and I don’t feel like it’s the norm for gay people in the US to be transphobic, but I could be wrong.

I think most gay people aren't transphobic but are not shy to affirm that they themselves are not transgender and try to make a distinction between the two for anyone who for whatever reason can't understand the difference. (I know there are people who lack the knowledge and so just assume someone who is gay is/will be transgender too, makes no sense to me).  And in turn, I guess verbalizing this distinction has somehow given them the appearance of being transphobic. 

I'm sure there are gay people who are transphobic, but this is my best guess for why people seem to think so many people are 

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That thread title cut off made my heart drop for a second 

[Ladle Ghoulash 29,855]

9 hours ago, faysalaaa said:

Im very confrontational but not with strangers. Im Autistic and have alot of anxiety, specially that I live in a foreign country. I can bring myself to be confrontational with a stranger if I know what im getting myself into, but when it happens by surprise, I freeze and I dont have my social script rehearsed lol

No ofcourse most Gays are not transphobic, which is why I get shocked when it happens to me in America, because I think im in a safe space. But I will say it happens more than I would think, all of the sudden we are talking about how trans people are going too far.

Yeah, I’m sure there are probably more transphobic gays (or at least gays that would like to create daylight between themselves and trans people for social/political reasons) than you might expect. Shame that they can’t recognize that it’s a shared struggle. 

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12 hours ago, Alxjcgn said:

So sexual orientation and then identity are different. Within the community that now seemingly wants to blend the two, There is a lot of understandable frustration. My advice is to just stay positive and be a kind soul who is also patient to others, and strive to do so even when it gets hard (and apologize for/recognize bad moments).

I say this as an openly proud gay man who does have a firm belief that orientation is different from identity, and that is a topic that needs to be taught better. But being a gay fan of Hayley, I have to say in a cunty way, that the message is to not show up if you're too sour to live life. **** is hitting the fan left and right, but can we just remember how to appreciate us as people and vibe with ourselves and align ourselves with other in that way. 

girl the T has always been apart of the LGB it’s right wing zealots that want a divide and as outliers we must stick together regardless of semantics 

 

 

[Ladle Ghoulash 29,855]

13 hours ago, Alxjcgn said:

So sexual orientation and then identity are different. Within the community that now seemingly wants to blend the two, There is a lot of understandable frustration. My advice is to just stay positive and be a kind soul who is also patient to others, and strive to do so even when it gets hard (and apologize for/recognize bad moments).

I say this as an openly proud gay man who does have a firm belief that orientation is different from identity, and that is a topic that needs to be taught better. But being a gay fan of Hayley, I have to say in a cunty way, that the message is to not show up if you're too sour to live life. **** is hitting the fan left and right, but can we just remember how to appreciate us as people and vibe with ourselves and align ourselves with other in that way. 

Sexual orientation and gender identity are different, but imo, the bigotry against gay people and trans people have similar roots (hegemonic masculinity, heteronormativity, cisnormativity), so I think recognizing that it’s a shared struggle is valid. One of my earliest awakenings to this idea was hearing the beginning of Madonna’s “What It Feels Like For A Girl” as a teenager: “Girls can wear jeans and cut their hair short, wear shirts and boots, 'cause it's okay to be a boy, but for a boy to look like a girl is degrading 'cause you think that being a girl is degrading…”

It reveals that, in many ways, misogyny is actually the source of the bigotry against both gay men and trans women and why, while trans men are certainly discriminated against, they’re not as frequently the center of the culture war conversation because the conversation is about the “perversion of masculinity” and casting shame on someone who would choose to move “downward” on the gender hierarchy. So allyship with trans women (and trans people in general) is best understood, imo, in the context of the way that gay men should also align themselves with women, as each group is subjugated by hegemonic masculinity + patriarchal expectations. 

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18 hours ago, faysalaaa said:

In reality, most people that go to her concert wont qualify entry, but nobody views themselves as these things.

I know this is off topic, but almost every Gay person I meet in America is transphobic! They always go on random rants about trans people, and I feel uncomfortable so I just nod along, and then I feel guilty for days for not saying anything! Is this normal or just my experience?

I've personally never met a transphobic gay person and I've interacted with quite a few at clubs, bars, and around town now that I'm more active in those spaces.

It's always either total support or complete apathy, never malice  

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1 hour ago, LadyxGaGa said:

girl the T has always been apart of the LGB it’s right wing zealots that want a divide and as outliers we must stick together regardless of semantics 

Always has been and always will be tbh.

A black trans woman was the founder of modern pride. They've always been up to bat for us 'cause they know it's the same fight.

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13 hours ago, Economy said:

Probably just means ur non confrontational by nature like me (especially in the the real world not online) 

 

So many times i hear really stupid sh*t I dont agree with but i rarely stand up to anything or anyone cuz i dont have that kind of confidence or courage. I just like to avoid conflict

 

11 hours ago, faysalaaa said:

Im very confrontational but not with strangers. Im Autistic and have alot of anxiety, specially that I live in a foreign country. I can bring myself to be confrontational with a stranger if I know what im getting myself into, but when it happens by surprise, I freeze and I dont have my social script rehearsed lol

I can juice y'all up with some Southern rage if you want  

Ask @ChicaSkas or @SharkmanthaC, I'm already ready for someone to catch these verbal or physical hands  

I'm a firm believer that bigots are just people who haven't been punched in the mouth enough  

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14 hours ago, Alxjcgn said:

So sexual orientation and then identity are different. Within the community that now seemingly wants to blend the two, There is a lot of understandable frustration. My advice is to just stay positive and be a kind soul who is also patient to others, and strive to do so even when it gets hard (and apologize for/recognize bad moments).

Respectfully, this is a bad take. 

It's never been "the homosexual community", it's always been "the queer community". Included within that is the POC who have fought and suffered along with us for decades longer than either of us have been alive.

It'll always be "LGBTQ+" and implying that it should be anything different is just doing light work for the MAGAs and other freaks that want to divide and conquer until we're all scared to hold the hand of someone with the same sex organs we have.

[faysalaaa 5,030]

27 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I've personally never met a transphobic gay person and I've interacted with quite a few at clubs, bars, and around town now that I'm more active in those spaces.

It's always either total support or complete apathy, never malice  

Thats crazy, why is it happening to me? lol and this happened alot in Los Angeles