Rumor has it that Trump & Putin exchanged Venezuela for Ukraine

[Ayesha Erotica 1,963]

53 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

The only thing I’m not sure about here is that, even if Ukraine is abandoned by the West (which Trump seems wishy-washy about, to say the least and I don’t see the UK abandoning Ukraine any time soon), I still think the conflict has largely been a war of attrition and Ukraine, often times somewhat independent of US involvement and intelligence, has proved formidable against Russia. Only time will tell (and Trump’s fickle nature does Putin no favors), but I still don’t know if I agree that Ukraine falls.

Ukraine has no satellite surveillance on its own, it relies on foreign intelligence and without Western weapon deliveries, Russia would have advanced much further by now. After 2014, Ukraine received weapon deliveries on a larger scale, so by 2022 it was not totally unprepared. 

 

I continue to view the world as divided into spheres of influence and interpret it accordingly. The USA claims the Americas, including Venezuela and distant Pacific islands and the surrounding oceans; Russia claims parts of the former Soviet Union; and China claims the South China Sea and Taiwan. Even though the West repeatedly emphasizes that Ukraine will now become part of the West, and the West repeatedly stresses that Russia has no legal claim to it, the West tacitly acknowledges that Ukraine is indeed part of the Russian sphere of influence. Otherwise, they would have sent it "powerful, modern" weapons - instead, they limit themselves to sending Ukraine outdated weapons and occasionally some new, modern ones.

 

The West will continue to support Ukraine militarily, but always in such a way that Russia remains on the rise. The West is not concerned with Ukraine's survival and well-being; rather, it is using Ukraine to destroy Russia - at least, that's what I believe. Because direct destruction of Russia is not possible, it is happening indirectly through Ukraine. But Russia, with its nuclear weapons and China's support, cannot be defeated in this war now. The Ukrainians are being given false promises. How often was it said in 2023 that Russia would be defeated by 2024 - far too often – it merely served to motivate the Ukrainians to stop them from fleeing, because the West doesn't want to send soldiers on their own. Therefore, fleeing to the West is not a bad idea and I agree with @Economy's rationale.

Certainly, countries like the Baltic states genuinely want to support Ukraine, but these Baltic states are weak, and the peripheral countries of Europe – further away from Russia – like Spain or Italy, do not want to fight against Russia and do not perceive it as such a threat as Lithuania. Macron also talks a lot, but provides little of modern, powerful weapons to Ukraine – France keeps those for itself.

Now that Trump has invaded Venezuela, the US is losing a moral argument against Russia, but also against China. Since Taiwan is not an independent country under UN law, and the US itself invades countries in modern times, China may feel more emboldened to do the same and get away with it. The West can then condemn this and respond with arms deliveries, but China can then retaliate with attacks on the West – and the West will then tacitly acknowledge that Taiwan is indeed China's sphere of influence and refrain from further involvement, even if it always publicly claims otherwise.

 

 

[Bronco 27,655]

9 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Taking bets on how he'll f*ck this up too

Yeah these ****ers are about to make the Vietnam war look successful

Like the fall of Saigon and the Kabul evacuation will have nothing on the coming shitshow.

[PartySick 174,285]

7 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Yeah these ****ers are about to make the Vietnam war look successful

Like the fall of Saigon and the Kabul evacuation will have nothing on the coming shitshow.

"We will run Venezuela"

Bitch you can't even run America tf are you talking about

[Ayesha Erotica 1,963]

56 minutes ago, PartySick said:

 

And I have yet to be proven wrong. 

He is now going the get the oil resources, well the companies. What more evidence do you need?

Naturally, the remaining politicians will now cooperate with the US - out of fear that they will be removed from office if they don't, as happened with Maduro. They have no real choice: cooperate or be removed. The US has already replaced many leaders.

Venezuela is now (indirectly) ruled by the USA. 

[Ladle Ghoulash 55,288]

1 hour ago, PartySick said:

My behavior:

And I have yet to be proven wrong. He "got the guy" but that's the easy part. Any idiot with some missiles, a helicopter, and bribed government officials could do that.

Will his administration be able to actually enstate the change he wants to see in Venezuela?

I still have massive doubts  

They couldn't even bomb boats without f*cking it up.

Taking bets on how he'll f*ck this up too.

Saw this on Twitter and thought you + @Broncomight appreciate it:

[Bronco 27,655]

7 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Saw this on Twitter and thought you + @Broncomight appreciate it:

The way this works for literally every US attempt at regime change or liberal interventionism.

[PartySick 174,285]

34 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Saw this on Twitter and thought you + @Broncomight appreciate it:

Where is the lie

[Ziggy 14,297]

4 hours ago, PartySick said:

My behavior:

And I have yet to be proven wrong. He "got the guy" but that's the easy part. Any idiot with some missiles, a helicopter, and bribed government officials could do that.

Will his administration be able to actually enstate the change he wants to see in Venezuela?

I still have massive doubts  

They couldn't even bomb boats without f*cking it up.

Taking bets on how he'll f*ck this up too.

They also couldn’t even get Maduro without messing that up since they quite literally just pulled him out like some high intensity stunt and not the delicate geopolitical nightmare that simply plucking a head of state out of power is. Like his entire government is still there? And the military?? I have extreme doubts any more of this goes smoothly bc every time they do something they celebrate, the ramifications blow up in their faces in 3-5 business days.

Edited January 3 by Ziggy

[Ziggy 14,297]

4 hours ago, PartySick said:

"We will run Venezuela"

Bitch you can't even run America tf are you talking about

And he wants to start things in Colombia and Mexico too?? Dude is going to bankrupt this country more bigly hugely than anyone thought humanly possible 

[robotvoiceinalice 2,128]

why Venezuela? like what did it do to the US to cause this?

[Ziggy 14,297]

1 minute ago, robotvoiceinalice said:

why Venezuela? like what did it do to the US to cause this?

Nothing but have the highest oil reserves in the world 

[Ayesha Erotica 1,963]

8 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I’ve created an @Ayesha Eroticaapology form for the naysayers in this thread:

@Ladle Ghoulash Honey, come back here.

Shamelessly I flaunt my talent for future-telling, and I think I can be especially proud of myself today. Not only did I correctly predict the Venezuela invasion, but I also correctly predicted Trump's victory on October 24, 2024, when about 90% of GagaDaily users believed the inflated fake poll numbers in favor of Harris from the (lying) mainstream media (that now praise the war-invasion of Venezuela without telling it is a war invasion, I mean the media). In my 10 1/2 years here, I've made so many accurate geopolitical predictions.

Ayesha is wise.

No other user on GagaDaily has made as many correct predictions as I have.

Evidence:

 

 

https://gagadaily.com/forums/topic/411868-us-election-voting-tracker/?do=findComment&comment=15186649

 

Edited January 4 by Ayesha Erotica

[Ziggy 14,297]

37 minutes ago, Ayesha Erotica said:

@Ladle Ghoulash Honey, come back here.

Shamelessly I flaunt my talent for future-telling, and I think I can be especially proud of myself today. Not only did I correctly predict the Venezuela invasion, but I also correctly predicted Trump's victory on October 24, 2024, when about 90% of GagaDaily users believed the inflated fake poll numbers in favor of Harris from the (lying) mainstream media (that now praise the war-invasion of Venezuela without telling it is a war invasion, I mean the media). In my 10 1/2 years here, I've made so many accurate geopolitical predictions.

Ayesha is wise.

No other user on GagaDaily has made as many correct predictions as I have.

Evidence:

 

 

https://gagadaily.com/forums/topic/411868-us-election-voting-tracker/?do=findComment&comment=15186649

 

Not you pulled the receipts hahahahaha love this forum down

[Ayesha Erotica 1,963]

After I was accused of not providing any evidence for this theory, evidence has now been leaked:

Russia made this offer to the US. At the time, they were not interested. After the Alaska meeting, this may have changed. It is not known whether Trump accepted, but it seems logical. It is suspicious that Russia's condemnation is relatively mild. It also appears that Russia's secret service did not warn Venezuela in advance.

Evidence:

"How much truth is there behind the speculation? In 2019, Fiona Hill, a former National Security Council (NSC) director for Russia, testified before Congress that Russian officials had floated a “very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine.” As the moderate Russian voice Sergey Brilyov now leads coverage of the Venezuela strikes on state media, observers can only wonder if the rapport established during the Trump-Putin Alaska summit in 2025 has finally yielded a backstage deal."

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-is-the-kremlin-quiet-on-venezuela

Russia Once Offered U.S. Control of Venezuela for Free Rein in Ukraine:

Full Text in Spoiler from New York Times:

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Russia Once Offered U.S. Control of Venezuela for Free Rein in Ukraine
Neil MacFarquhar
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The exchange offer was recounted at the time in congressional testimony by Fiona Hill, who ran Russian and European affairs on the National Security Council during the first Trump administration.
Fiona Hill walks down a corridor, escorted by police officers.
In 2019, Fiona Hill told a Congressional hearing that the Russians “were signaling very strongly that they wanted to somehow make some very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine.”Credit...Erin Schaff/The New York Times

Jan. 5, 2026

Moscow’s mixed reaction to the U.S. intervention in Venezuela has stirred memories of a barter reportedly offered by Russia seven years ago, during another moment of heightened tension between Washington and Caracas.

At the time, Russia signaled that it was willing to allow the United States to act as it pleased in Venezuela, in exchange for Washington giving the Kremlin a free hand in Ukraine, according to Congressional testimony from Fiona Hill, who ran Russian and European affairs on the National Security Council during the first Trump administration.

The Russians “were signaling very strongly that they wanted to somehow make some very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine,” Ms. Hill told a Congressional hearing in October 2019, more than two years before Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

The proposals were informal, through commentators and newspaper articles, she said, but the gist was that if the United States wanted the freedom to maintain a sphere of influence over neighboring countries, then it ought to agree to Russia doing the same.

“You want us out of your backyard,” said Ms. Hill in summarizing the Russian position. “We, you know, we have our own version of this. You’re in our backyard in Ukraine.”

Ms. Hill said that she went to Moscow in person to reject the idea. The proposal came amid tensions between Caracas and Washington that prompted Moscow to deploy 100 military personnel and new weapons to shore up the rule of President Nicolás Maduro.

Mr. Maduro’s removal marks the latest blow to a regime supported by Moscow, with President Bashar al-Assad of Syria toppled a little over a year ago.

Officially, the Russian foreign ministry condemned the move as a violation of international law. But the main Russian priority is the war in Ukraine, where the Trump administration is trying to negotiate peace. The Kremlin is trying to strike a difficult balance, neither making any major concessions on Ukraine nor alienating the White House.

Some senior Russian officials and commentators have expressed satisfaction that the United States seemed to be ditching international law in exchange for a policy of “might makes right,” an attitude hearkening back to an imperial era, more than a century ago, that both President Trump and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia have looked on fondly.

“The law of the strongest is clearly stronger than ordinary justice,” Dmitri Medvedev, the formerly liberal president of Russia turned war hawk wrote on social media, while adding in an interview with the official Tass news agency that Washington now has “no grounds, even formally, to reproach our country.”

Neil MacFarquhar has been a Times reporter since 1995, writing about a range of topics from war to politics to the arts, both internationally and in the United States.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/06/world/americas/russia-us-venezuela-ukraine.html

Trump's former Russia adviser says Russia offered US free rein in Venezuela in exchange for Ukraine

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/trumps-former-russia-adviser-russia-offered-us-free-128961387

"Hill said Russia pushed the idea through articles in Russian media that referenced the Monroe Doctrine — a 19th century principle in which the U.S. opposed European meddling in the Western Hemisphere and in return agreed to stay out of European affairs. It was invoked by Trump to justify the U.S. intervention in Venezuela."

 

Edited January 7 by Ayesha Erotica