Ariana Grande announces tour

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26 minutes ago, Monstermilo said:

im just confused why artists as big as gaga and ariana are doing arenas.... their counterparts who are arguably less famous, are doing stadium tours........ arenas means theres less supply, so ticket prices are crazy expensive, if gaga and ari did stadiums, ppl could find nosebleeds for 50-100 bucks............. 

having to spend 200-500 on arenas tickets is just insane to me

and i get they want their costs to be lower, but theyre both backed by huge labels and are both worth hundreds of millions of dollars, it just seems a bit greedy to me .... 

makes me not wanna see them cuz tickets are way too expensive 

 

Not everyone wants to do massive stadium gigs. 
Unless they are able to finance Beyonce/Taylor scale stages (who coincidentally are the only pop girls who have done stages of that scale ever) then the production is considerably limited on what it can and can't do. 

And like, Ari was talking about doing a theatre tour for this album. She clearly only wanted to do something small, and we know she's had PTSD issues after the Manchester attack on her Dangerous Woman tour. I'd be surprised if she ever does a stadium tour. 

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Yeah it's probably just way less profitable to do stadium tour & large stages, especially now with tariffs and shipping costs...

Arenas will have some ready-made stuff, LEDs will do some heavy-lifting, etc. and less stuff to pack, ship, and transport. Since Ari/Gaga are big artists, they can charge more for an arena ticket which is a winning recipe for profit. May not gross as much revenue as stadium tours but companies are much more happy to do healthier business. 

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31 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Not everyone wants to do massive stadium gigs. 
Unless they are able to finance Beyonce/Taylor scale stages (who coincidentally are the only pop girls who have done stages of that scale ever) then the production is considerably limited on what it can and can't do. 

And like, Ari was talking about doing a theatre tour for this album. She clearly only wanted to do something small, and we know she's had PTSD issues after the Manchester attack on her Dangerous Woman tour. I'd be surprised if she ever does a stadium tour. 

gaga's concept couldve easily been a stadium tour as weve seen with her first few dates..... 

ariana is worth 850 million dollars taking into account her fragrance line, REM beauty, and the 200+ million shes made on just spotify streams..... she can finance a stadium tour with her label no problem. 

not sure what u mean about PTSD, traveling to different cities in an arena tour and stadium tour require the same amount of energy for the artist... 

and she did 100 dates for the sweetener world tour, which happened after the manchester attack, shes doesnt have a problem touring lol.

 

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7 hours ago, Monstermilo said:

im just confused why artists as big as gaga and ariana are doing arenas.... their counterparts who are arguably less famous, are doing stadium tours........ arenas means theres less supply, so ticket prices are crazy expensive, if gaga and ari did stadiums, ppl could find nosebleeds for 50-100 bucks............. 

having to spend 200-500 on arenas tickets is just insane to me

and i get they want their costs to be lower, but theyre both backed by huge labels and are both worth hundreds of millions of dollars, it just seems a bit greedy to me .... 

makes me not wanna see them cuz tickets are way too expensive 

 

because mayhem ball looks better in a dark arena, thats all

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I actually would love to see her live, she has matured into such an amazing artist over the last years. I'm not sure If it#s worth fighting over Tickets and going to London...

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7 hours ago, Monstermilo said:

gaga's concept couldve easily been a stadium tour as weve seen with her first few dates..... 

ariana is worth 850 million dollars taking into account her fragrance line, REM beauty, and the 200+ million shes made on just spotify streams..... she can finance a stadium tour with her label no problem. 

not sure what u mean about PTSD, traveling to different cities in an arena tour and stadium tour require the same amount of energy for the artist... 

and she did 100 dates for the sweetener world tour, which happened after the manchester attack, shes doesnt have a problem touring lol.

 

She does have PTSD, she's openly talked about it.

She also said last year that she was wanting to explore other avenues including more acting gigs when asked about large scale touring. 

Gaga's concept wouldn't have worked on a stadium tour. You clearly have no concept of how lighting works and how in many parts of europe the sun wouldn't set until at least half way through the show. The show literally relies on limited lighting almost from the very start. 

As for wealth - you realise multimillionaires etc don't have liquid wealth right? Their net worth isn't what is in their bank account, its the amount of wealth they're estimated to have if they sold everything tomorrow. 

If financing a stadium scale production like the Reputation tour/Eras tour/Renaissance tour/cowboy carter tour was so simple, then they wouldn't be stand out tours now would they? They wouldn't be defying the norm. 

The Eras tour production reportedly cost $100 million and is one of the most expensive tours in history. The shipping value of the tour production was valued at $15.4million. 

So yeah, Gaga could put the mayhem ball into more stadiums. But all we'd get is the current arena sized staging that would mean the vast majority of the stadium would be nowhere near the stage, have a terrible view and the show production would be negatively effected in a major market like at the Chromatica ball tour. 

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1 hour ago, Bronco said:

She does have PTSD, she's openly talked about it.

She also said last year that she was wanting to explore other avenues including more acting gigs when asked about large scale touring. 

Gaga's concept wouldn't have worked on a stadium tour. You clearly have no concept of how lighting works and how in many parts of europe the sun wouldn't set until at least half way through the show. The show literally relies on limited lighting almost from the very start. 

As for wealth - you realise multimillionaires etc don't have liquid wealth right? Their net worth isn't what is in their bank account, its the amount of wealth they're estimated to have if they sold everything tomorrow. 

If financing a stadium scale production like the Reputation tour/Eras tour/Renaissance tour/cowboy carter tour was so simple, then they wouldn't be stand out tours now would they? They wouldn't be defying the norm. 

The Eras tour production reportedly cost $100 million and is one of the most expensive tours in history. The shipping value of the tour production was valued at $15.4million. 

So yeah, Gaga could put the mayhem ball into more stadiums. But all we'd get is the current arena sized staging that would mean the vast majority of the stadium would be nowhere near the stage, have a terrible view and the show production would be negatively effected in a major market like at the Chromatica ball tour. 

if bad bunny, blackpink, kendrick lamar, post malone, shakira and coldplay can fund stadium tours, ariana and gaga can also...... you do realize labels fund the tours as well, its not just the artist.....

gaga and ari dont have to have as big of a stage or screen as beyonce, but they can still have decent sized screens and have a venue that allows ppl to find affordable tickets. 

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1 hour ago, Bronco said:

She does have PTSD, she's openly talked about it.

She also said last year that she was wanting to explore other avenues including more acting gigs when asked about large scale touring. 

Gaga's concept wouldn't have worked on a stadium tour. You clearly have no concept of how lighting works and how in many parts of europe the sun wouldn't set until at least half way through the show. The show literally relies on limited lighting almost from the very start. 

As for wealth - you realise multimillionaires etc don't have liquid wealth right? Their net worth isn't what is in their bank account, its the amount of wealth they're estimated to have if they sold everything tomorrow. 

If financing a stadium scale production like the Reputation tour/Eras tour/Renaissance tour/cowboy carter tour was so simple, then they wouldn't be stand out tours now would they? They wouldn't be defying the norm. 

The Eras tour production reportedly cost $100 million and is one of the most expensive tours in history. The shipping value of the tour production was valued at $15.4million. 

So yeah, Gaga could put the mayhem ball into more stadiums. But all we'd get is the current arena sized staging that would mean the vast majority of the stadium would be nowhere near the stage, have a terrible view and the show production would be negatively effected in a major market like at the Chromatica ball tour. 

and what do you mean gagas concept wouldnt fit in a stadium tour? she literally did coachella and 2.5 million in copacobana with essentially the stuff shes using now, she would just need bigger screens........ her first few dates in mexico and asia were stadiums.......

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15 minutes ago, Monstermilo said:

if bad bunny, blackpink, kendrick lamar, post malone, shakira and coldplay can fund stadium tours, ariana and gaga can also...... you do realize labels fund the tours as well, its not just the artist.....

gaga and ari dont have to have as big of a stage or screen as beyonce, but they can still have decent sized screens and have a venue that allows ppl to find affordable tickets. 

Yeah I am fully aware of how tours are funded. I've previously worked in the events industry in the UK. 

Post Malone is a poor example as he's using a box stage - which is what I've repeatedly criticised. 

Kendrick Lamar has a better stage, but is also on a joint tour. And is also a bigger artist in the streaming era than Gaga. 

Blackpink are arguably the biggest Kpop act globally, and the Kpop industry is one of the largest and wealthiest music industries globally. Of course they can finance a stadium worthy production. But it is also worth pointing out that there are numerous reports of fans having their seats moved as their sections didnt sell well and being closed as a result - so the tour is not necessarily going well and we may not see a stadium tour again.

Coldplay are an indie rock band. Rock bands have always put on better stadium productions than pop acts. 

**** knows how Shakira managed it. But tbf she's a tax avoider so she does have more cash to hand than most lol

But on the topic of Gaga & Ari.

Ari has never done a stadium tour & her last 2 albums have underperformed her peaks - why would a label fund a stadium tour? 

Gaga has done 1 stadium tour in her career, and it was delayed due to Covid and if rumours are to be believed it was redesigned as well. Add in the fact that it ended badly as well as the final show had to be cut short due to bad weather. There's plenty of evidence to believe it may not have had strong enough returns for the label to support another stadium tour. 

And here's the thing - you're explicitly stating now that Gaga and Ari can offer a bad product (box covered arena stage conversions) to consumers just so consumers can have cheap tickets to an inferior show.

Thats insane anti-consumer logic. 

14 minutes ago, Monstermilo said:

and what do you mean gagas concept wouldnt fit in a stadium tour? she literally did coachella and 2.5 million in copacobana with essentially the stuff shes using now, she would just need bigger screens........ her first few dates in mexico and asia were stadiums.......

And look at the scaling of those stages. 

She used a box stage.

Box stage in stadiums are used by arena scale productions being transplanted into Stadiums. Just like the Chromatica tour was done on a box stage. 

Box stages are inferior stadium productions. They are designed to cut corners for touring productions and enable them to take advantage of larger venues while not producing a show that fits the larger venue. 

And once again - stadium tours are less stable than arena tours due to weather. With the effects of climate change on the European summer it is highly likely that summer stadium tours will become increasingly unsustainable in the European market on the basis of staff and audience safety. Its only really the US market where fullscale stadium touring is feasible and doable in weathersafe conditions. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Monstermilo said:

and what do you mean gagas concept wouldnt fit in a stadium tour? she literally did coachella and 2.5 million in copacobana with essentially the stuff shes using now, she would just need bigger screens........ her first few dates in mexico and asia were stadiums.......

the changes between those shows and the actual tour need a dark environment for the effects to work well