Beyoncé Breaks Several Records w/ Cowboy Carter Tour

[AiDi 206]

4 minutes ago, Leography said:

Everything you say just proves

 

Well let's turn this around: everything YOU say just proves that you are a blind bey-fanatic. How do you feel? You talked about haters a lot - I see no haters. I see people that don't like Bey and give their reasons for that. You don't agree? Great! But why are you calling those people haters? I don't like Beyonce, I hate her voice, her tone is terrible (FOR ME), I don't like her stage persona, I don't like anything about her. And I'm not gonna force myself anymore to like her, but I did try that a few times in the past. You can call me a hater, I don't mind. But at the same time - you are not objective, and you are very passive-aggresive in your commentary. 

[Leography 154]

10 minutes ago, AiDi said:

 

Well let's turn this around: everything YOU say just proves that you are a blind bey-fanatic. How do you feel? You talked about haters a lot - I see no haters. I see people that don't like Bey and give their reasons for that. You don't agree? Great! But why are you calling those people haters? I don't like Beyonce, I hate her voice, her tone is terrible (FOR ME), I don't like her stage persona, I don't like anything about her. And I'm not gonna force myself anymore to like her, but I did try that a few times in the past. You can call me a hater, I don't mind. But at the same time - you are not objective, and you are very passive-aggresive in your commentary. 

Maybe so, but I comment on things I actually seen, heard and researched on. 🤷‍♂️

If that makes me a blind fanatic, so be it, who cares lmao but if I was I'd say those prices are okay. And they aren't, never will be. That we all agree on. But that doesn't mean I can't seem how masterful that tour was. And yes, I'm a fan, so I want to call out things I find ridiculous, same way I'd (and most of us would here) do it for Gags 

Edit: for those who want to actually understand the tour (and no, it's not all positive in that article, far from it) Billboard did a great piece on it a while ago: https://www.billboard.com/music/features/beyonce-cowboy-carter-tour-independence-day-washington-dc-1236015289/

It'll be clearer and faster than coming from my French ass lmao

Edited August 1 by Leography

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

15 hours ago, Leography said:

Yeah, you summed it perfectly, bitter seems to be the word. Everything you say just proves that despite watching the whole show, you didn't actually see it. Again, I saw her four times on this tour alone, so I'm not pulling things out of my hat, I comment on things I actually seen and heard. 

Won't comment much on the outfits changes, first time i'm hearing it as a negative thing (especially from a Gaga fan lmao) and you just have to look at her wardrobe to know your argument is null. But new outfits for every act is normal for pop show, and would have she not done it, you probably would have called her lazy, uh? 

Same for the interlude, no there weren't excessive. They were telling the story of the show. Which isn't about her only btw. You apparently don't know the whole story (or don't want to know it more like it), but the CMA debacle wasn't just "country artists don't like Beyoncé". They deleted all things regarding her on their website and socials, and some people in the audience went as far as to shout slurs at her. So yes, it was the starting point, it ignited the fire for that album, but the story she tells in the show is larger than that. But yeah, it's a Beyoncé show, so Beyoncé will be the visuals focus on most of them. Doesn't mean they don't have meaning and aren't entertaining at the same time.

Saying that watching a recording and being there is basically the same?  How can a recording, especially an amateur one, can capture the energy of the crowd, the vibration of the sound, the dancing and singing with people around you, having the freedom to look everywhere to see all details of the stage, the light hitting you, hell, even the waiting the hours prior and the excitation that came with it? Let's be serious lmao you can have an idea of the show, but living it will always be VASTLY different.

Also laughing at the idea that an album has to be successful for people to turn up. You might not like it, but they wouldn't turn up if the show wasn't good. That many people at that price? This is not "PR". Otherwise they would have stopped coming a long time ago, since according to you she does the same thing and sell it the same way. They would have found out the imposture. No, these are people who knows exactly how great of a show she puts on.

I saw it too, not live but pretty damn close to it. I'm commenting on the same things as you. We're allowed to have different interpretations of it. It's so hard for Beyonce fans to hear anything negative about her because they're so used to critics and the public ass kissing her. Everyone's got blinkers on and sometimes, even the best need to be shown that they're not perfect, just like the rest of us. I can't find one review where anyone claimed this show dragged on a bit or didn't have enough recognisable songs or didn't have enough energy for whole sections. Glaring issues but no mention of them. Yet, they'll call out Katy, Lana and anyone else who gives a tour that isn't totally perfect. 

Most tours, even pop tours, don't have that many outfit changes, even Gaga doesn't do that. She did an outfit change for Daughter and then immediately went off for another one. One outfit for one song. You can't tell me that isn't unnecessary. Most of those outfits didn't even convey specific meanings to the songs at hand, most of them could have been worn for any song and would've had the same effect. Her constantly going off stage really takes you out of things. I wouldn't have called her lazy for staying in one outfit, I'd have praised her for keeping onstage frequently and not pausing. 

You don't think 8 interludes totalling over half an hour in length is excessive? Well, you clearly have more patience than me. And they didn't tell a story. They were just random "slay" pieces with random narration and just done to look cool but not actually conveying any meaning. Just more distraction from this otherwise rather dull tour because without it, its flaws would've shown up a lot more. Your explanation about the CMA debacle isn't overly clear. I thought it was just that she didn't get nominated for country awards and she felt deserving because she made a country song (as if every good song gets a nomination or something). I won't condone anyone shouting abuse at her but I didn't really see the story of that throughout this tour. It just seemed to be lots of pretentious set pieces to make Beyonce look badass but no actual story. 

Amateur recordings are pretty spectacular these days. The one I watched was the one from the final show. You can find it on YouTube by someone named Brandi Bush. She's standing and super close to the front on a side view. The visual and audio quality is amazing. I feel like I'm there holding the camera and can feel the people around me, hear every bit of the crowd. People in the comments were saying how this was just like being there and the closest to seeing Beyonce live they'll ever get. Just put that on full-screen and turn off the lights and tell me that's not like the real thing. 

How do people know if it's a good show? They hadn't seen it when they bought tickets. If anything, it's bound to leave a lot of people annoyed at how much of a focus she put on an album they didn't know much about and didn't sing more hits. I've heard from a lot of fans who said that they didn't even like CC but they're going to see the tour just to see her because they're a fan and that's what they do. That's the same reason her OTR gigs sold out - fans saying they're not here for Jay at all but they're going just to see Beyonce. But I think they've got so stuck on how she used to be that they think she's still like that, they're seeing and hearing something different. I'm just telling you what us non-fans see. I grew up when Beyonce broke out on the scene. She isn't as good as she was back then. As a celebrity with star power, she still has that aura. I'd probably be starstruck if I met her. But don't confuse starpower with performance ability. Watch her recent performances on mute and you'll see how, without energetic backing dancers and cinematic visuals behind her, she's actually not that amazing as a performer these days. If you stripped all that away, would people find her as amazing? I doubt it. But as I said, the power of Beyonce's marketing knows no bounds. If the public are told someone's the best performer many times, they'll believe it, even when the truth is right in front of them. 

[Nagini 2,427]

22 hours ago, nATAH said:

but i don't want to see those artists, i want to see my favourite artist who i've grown up with now that i'm an adult but in the span of 3 years, ticket prices went from £80 to £300+

that's why this is a bitter pill to swallow, especially knowing dynamic pricing is OPTIONAL. but if you want to defend the rich getting richer rather than people having access to entertainment and art, go ahead...

I can't in good faith feel bad about this. Seriously a first world problem. Please explore more music and support other artists. 

[nATAH 49,337]

3 hours ago, Nagini said:

I can't in good faith feel bad about this. Seriously a first world problem. Please explore more music and support other artists. 

I literally own over 550 records, i explore music plenty... but lady gaga is the one i'd happily spend what little spare money I have on... or at least i would if the tickets were affordable like before. I wasn't expecting MB to cost £250+.

you're being very ignorant about this and to not feel bad that concerts are now only for the rich is kinda crazy, especially knowing dynamic pricing is optional... like, this is completely optional but you think it's everyone else's fault for being too poor...

[Leography 154]

5 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I Just put that on full-screen and turn off the lights and tell me that's not like the real thing. 

I've watched livestreams (multiple), YouTube videos of the tour, and I went to it. I'm telling you, it's not at all like the same thing. Of course it's not. The idea that a LIVE event and a recording are put on the same level is preporterous. 

As for "put the show on mute and you'll see", again, she's known to be an incredible vocalist, so yeah. It would still be a visual feast though 🤷‍♂️ But what's the points of what if? If you have to invent scenarios to prove something, then it might not be true to begin with.

And for the people not knowing what the show is: 1. People can go back to multiple dates (what I did, I was supposed to go to two, but was so impressed that I doubled it) 2. As you proved yourself, recording of the show exists, so except for people on the first date who went completely blind, everyone could see exactly if the show was worthy of attend or not. Setlists, videos, photos, reviews, everything was available pretty much immediately. If people want the hits they could have looked at the setlist and decided to sell their tickets instead. And to be fair, there was a lot of resales, that's how I managed to go to two London dates. But in the end, 1.5 millions attended the tour, and given the energy in those stadiums, I'd say most of them are willing to agree that she's indeed an incredible performer, vocalist, storyteller. 

And as for the theme/story of the show, I'd encourage you to read that Billboard article: billboard.com/music/features/beyonce-cowboy-carter-tour-independence-day-washington-dc-1236015289/ (and again, they adknowledge the fact that in today's world, she could be a bigger voice for change, and I do agree with that. But they also caught everything she did say with the visuals, setlists, interludes, etc

(I don't remember if they mention it in the article, but she also payed hommage to Black artists in Country with visuals and interludes' music)

[PartySick 160,212]

On 7/31/2025 at 6:38 PM, Nagini said:

Any sensible person wouldn't attend if the concert were above their means. If only the rich can afford to see Beyonce, then so be it-- it's your decision whether to spend on non-essentials or not.

That's not really the point honestly.

The point is these A-list artists are just becoming more and more greedy and squeezing every cent they can out of their fanbases.

Gaga, Beyoncé, artists like them have near billion dollar fortunes (or more) yet they still CHOOSE* to charge fans prices that are 5x higher or more than they were just a few years ago.

*Yes, CHOOSE. There are ways artists can keep their concerts affordable. Inflation is gonna cause some rise but they can still protect the people that decide to drop their hard earned cash on their shows.

I got stage side GA tickets in 2020 for Gaga for the same price as view blocked nose bleeds at the Mayhem Ball.

Not really sure how anyone's just cool with that.

[PartySick 160,212]

The average price of a ticket to MJ's highest grossing tour was $17.50 which is $46.61 when adjusted for inflation.

The average price of a ticket to the CC Tour is $255-$277.

It's practically theft imo

This simply isn't something to be proud of unless you're into hardcore findom  

[Bronco 11,388]

People are ignoring the impact on smaller acts, developing acts etc that these skyrocketing ticket prices are having. 

Its actively making it harder for smaller bands and singers to get on the road and promote and perform. Its raising the costs for them to organise shows. Its reducing the amount of cash people have available to spend on shows - if you spend $200 on Beyonce tickets this month, you are less likely to spend $30 on that small indie band you like as well because you've already eaten heavily into your free cash.

Makes the fact that many established acts are denying support slots now even worse in my opinion. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

9 hours ago, Leography said:

I've watched livestreams (multiple), YouTube videos of the tour, and I went to it. I'm telling you, it's not at all like the same thing. Of course it's not. The idea that a LIVE event and a recording are put on the same level is preporterous. 

As for "put the show on mute and you'll see", again, she's known to be an incredible vocalist, so yeah. It would still be a visual feast though 🤷‍♂️ But what's the points of what if? If you have to invent scenarios to prove something, then it might not be true to begin with.

And for the people not knowing what the show is: 1. People can go back to multiple dates (what I did, I was supposed to go to two, but was so impressed that I doubled it) 2. As you proved yourself, recording of the show exists, so except for people on the first date who went completely blind, everyone could see exactly if the show was worthy of attend or not. Setlists, videos, photos, reviews, everything was available pretty much immediately. If people want the hits they could have looked at the setlist and decided to sell their tickets instead. And to be fair, there was a lot of resales, that's how I managed to go to two London dates. But in the end, 1.5 millions attended the tour, and given the energy in those stadiums, I'd say most of them are willing to agree that she's indeed an incredible performer, vocalist, storyteller. 

And as for the theme/story of the show, I'd encourage you to read that Billboard article: billboard.com/music/features/beyonce-cowboy-carter-tour-independence-day-washington-dc-1236015289/ (and again, they adknowledge the fact that in today's world, she could be a bigger voice for change, and I do agree with that. But they also caught everything she did say with the visuals, setlists, interludes, etc

(I don't remember if they mention it in the article, but she also payed hommage to Black artists in Country with visuals and interludes' music)

Well, I'm still watching the show, hearing all the songs, seeing all the visuals. It may not be the same but it's the closest it can be. I've seen the show, I'm not just spouting opinions based on what others have said it's like. Some people will just base their opinion on something based on word of mouth without doing research, so at least I know what I'm talking about.

She didn't show her incredible vocals for most songs, though. Most songs didn't require big notes. A good example of a song that felt completely boring and flat was Alligator Tears. Partly because I don't like the song but also because she was just standing in front a mic stand singing with no dance moves, no backing dancers, it was a slow song, there were no great visuals, there was nothing pulling you in. Moments like that are where she shows up as someone who needs all the bells and whistles around her to make her performances look amazing. When it's just her and a mic, she was lacking. I say the whole "watch it on mute" idea because some people literally can't see the lack of performance ability until you can hear nothing. It's the same thing I say to anyone who says a boring music video is great. Watch it on mute and you'll see not much is going on, it's just the good song that makes you think the video it's supporting is good as well.

Most people had their tickets long before the first date. It's not like tickets went on sale and the first show was the next day. Most attendees bought them blind as they almost sold out immediately. Some held out a bit longer hoping to get tickets on secondary markets. But most people didn't know what they were getting when they bought tickets, same goes for anyone going to see a tour. Tickets tend to sell out immediately. That's why some artists announce a tour before their new album comes out - it's a classic trick to get a sold out tour for an experimental album that wouldn't have a successful tour if everyone knew its contents first. And plenty of people want to be completely surprised when going to a live show anyway. Look at all the Gaga fans not wanting to see the Mayhem Ball setlist. I'm not like that but many are. That's why you will always hear people say after every tour "I was disappointed they didn't sing ______." But like I said before, some people will just offer undying support for their fave even if they're not as into their new songs anymore. That's why nostalgia acts still sell out and people pay to watch bands sing the same hits over and over at reunion shows. It's all about being a time warp experience rather than a product of how they actually are today. Beyonce's albums from this trilogy haven't sold as well as Self-Titled or Lemonade, yet her tours are pulling in the most money ever. That tells you that people just want to see her sing live but the new music isn't actually doing it for them anymore. Ergo, they still seem stuck on this image of Beyonce from 2013 and like to keep that in mind whenever they pay to see her live and are convinced she's still as good.

That Billboard article was hardly a critique. Saying she could say a bit more politically isn't really a diss. They don't criticise anything about the actual tour. They even had the gall to say that artists who are more politically aware in their songs aren't selling out stadiums or breaking records outside their genre. Is the suggestion that if you're not playing to big crowds or making genre bending albums that your music's bad? And CC is hardly a country album, it's fusion and as Beyonce said, it's ultimately a Beyonce album. To say it's breaking country records is ridiculous. I know she was trying to talk about the black artist's reclamation of country and the other genres in her trilogy but her tour always feel self-possessed. For Beyonce to act as if she's never been accepted in the music scene when she's literally the most Grammy awarded of all time (and finally won AOTY for this very album) just isn't accurate. Just because one music scene didn't appreciate her as much doesn't meant that she's not accepted in general. Every music scene has its snobs. It was also hard to hear any sociopolitic messages through the interludes as  I couldn't even hear any words over the crowds, I just heard ambience. I also thought the giant Beyonce segment was a total rip-off of Lana Del Rey's Doin' Time music video. Beyonce's just throwing around Americana imagery with not a whole lot substance, in my view and doing cliches like singing the national anthem (yes, I know the reason for that but it's still a cliche). Yes, she's doing this at a time when being black in America is a trying time but that doesn't mean she's actually saying anything political with her show. She only really gets political when she talks about who she's voting for, just like most celebrities. If she was too political, she wouldn't be as marketable. But the concept of Americana imagery belonging to every American, not just conservatives and racists (who have unjustly commandeered it for their own), is really something I can get behind. Lana stopped using the American flag in her artistry as she felt it was tainted post-2016 so it's nice to see that kinda imagery being used positively again.

[Leography 154]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Well, I'm still watching the show, hearing all the songs, seeing all the visuals. It may not be the same but it's the closest it can be. I've seen the show, I'm not just spouting opinions based on what others have said it's like. Some people will just base their opinion on something based on word of mouth without doing research, so at least I know what I'm talking about.

She didn't show her incredible vocals for most songs, though. Most songs didn't require big notes. A good example of a song that felt completely boring and flat was Alligator Tears. Partly because I don't like the song but also because she was just standing in front a mic stand singing with no dance moves, no backing dancers, it was a slow song, there were no great visuals, there was nothing pulling you in. Moments like that are where she shows up as someone who needs all the bells and whistles around her to make her performances look amazing. When it's just her and a mic, she was lacking. I say the whole "watch it on mute" idea because some people literally can't see the lack of performance ability until you can hear nothing. It's the same thing I say to anyone who says a boring music video is great. Watch it on mute and you'll see not much is going on, it's just the good song that makes you think the video it's supporting is good as well.

Most people had their tickets long before the first date. It's not like tickets went on sale and the first show was the next day. Most attendees bought them blind as they almost sold out immediately. Some held out a bit longer hoping to get tickets on secondary markets. But most people didn't know what they were getting when they bought tickets, same goes for anyone going to see a tour. Tickets tend to sell out immediately. That's why some artists announce a tour before their new album comes out - it's a classic trick to get a sold out tour for an experimental album that wouldn't have a successful tour if everyone knew its contents first. And plenty of people want to be completely surprised when going to a live show anyway. Look at all the Gaga fans not wanting to see the Mayhem Ball setlist. I'm not like that but many are. That's why you will always hear people say after every tour "I was disappointed they didn't sing ______." But like I said before, some people will just offer undying support for their fave even if they're not as into their new songs anymore. That's why nostalgia acts still sell out and people pay to watch bands sing the same hits over and over at reunion shows. It's all about being a time warp experience rather than a product of how they actually are today. Beyonce's albums from this trilogy haven't sold as well as Self-Titled or Lemonade, yet her tours are pulling in the most money ever. That tells you that people just want to see her sing live but the new music isn't actually doing it for them anymore. Ergo, they still seem stuck on this image of Beyonce from 2013 and like to keep that in mind whenever they pay to see her live and are convinced she's still as good.

That Billboard article was hardly a critique. Saying she could say a bit more politically isn't really a diss. They don't criticise anything about the actual tour. They even had the gall to say that artists who are more politically aware in their songs aren't selling out stadiums or breaking records outside their genre. Is the suggestion that if you're not playing to big crowds or making genre bending albums that your music's bad? And CC is hardly a country album, it's fusion and as Beyonce said, it's ultimately a Beyonce album. To say it's breaking country records is ridiculous. I know she was trying to talk about the black artist's reclamation of country and the other genres in her trilogy but her tour always feel self-possessed. For Beyonce to act as if she's never been accepted in the music scene when she's literally the most Grammy awarded of all time (and finally won AOTY for this very album) just isn't accurate. Just because one music scene didn't appreciate her as much doesn't meant that she's not accepted in general. Every music scene has its snobs. It was also hard to hear any sociopolitic messages through the interludes as  I couldn't even hear any words over the crowds, I just heard ambience. I also thought the giant Beyonce segment was a total rip-off of Lana Del Rey's Doin' Time music video. Beyonce's just throwing around Americana imagery with not a whole lot substance, in my view and doing cliches like singing the national anthem (yes, I know the reason for that but it's still a cliche). Yes, she's doing this at a time when being black in America is a trying time but that doesn't mean she's actually saying anything political with her show. She only really gets political when she talks about who she's voting for, just like most celebrities. If she was too political, she wouldn't be as marketable. But the concept of Americana imagery belonging to every American, not just conservatives and racists (who have unjustly commandeered it for their own), is really something I can get behind. Lana stopped using the American flag in her artistry as she felt it was tainted post-2016 so it's nice to see that kinda imagery being used positively again.

Listen, believe what you want, I have no energy left for this discussion. Reading "she's not saying anything" followed by "well maybe she did but I didn't hear it" proves that some of your comments are not made in good faith (and again: being there and recording is not the same) 

The article just explained what you didn't (want to) see in the message more eloquently than I could. Do what you will with it.

Last point i'll make though:

Movie from 1958. And before you tell me it's not it, the interlude litteraly shows "attack of the 400 foot cowboy" on a movie theater

Edited August 2 by Leography

[Karl 3,413]

18 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I saw it too, not live but pretty damn close to it. I'm commenting on the same things as you. We're allowed to have different interpretations of it. It's so hard for Beyonce fans to hear anything negative about her because they're so used to critics and the public ass kissing her. Everyone's got blinkers on and sometimes, even the best need to be shown that they're not perfect, just like the rest of us. I can't find one review where anyone claimed this show dragged on a bit or didn't have enough recognisable songs or didn't have enough energy for whole sections. Glaring issues but no mention of them. Yet, they'll call out Katy, Lana and anyone else who gives a tour that isn't totally perfect. 

Most tours, even pop tours, don't have that many outfit changes, even Gaga doesn't do that. She did an outfit change for Daughter and then immediately went off for another one. One outfit for one song. You can't tell me that isn't unnecessary. Most of those outfits didn't even convey specific meanings to the songs at hand, most of them could have been worn for any song and would've had the same effect. Her constantly going off stage really takes you out of things. I wouldn't have called her lazy for staying in one outfit, I'd have praised her for keeping onstage frequently and not pausing. 

You don't think 8 interludes totalling over half an hour in length is excessive? Well, you clearly have more patience than me. And they didn't tell a story. They were just random "slay" pieces with random narration and just done to look cool but not actually conveying any meaning. Just more distraction from this otherwise rather dull tour because without it, its flaws would've shown up a lot more. Your explanation about the CMA debacle isn't overly clear. I thought it was just that she didn't get nominated for country awards and she felt deserving because she made a country song (as if every good song gets a nomination or something). I won't condone anyone shouting abuse at her but I didn't really see the story of that throughout this tour. It just seemed to be lots of pretentious set pieces to make Beyonce look badass but no actual story. 

Amateur recordings are pretty spectacular these days. The one I watched was the one from the final show. You can find it on YouTube by someone named Brandi Bush. She's standing and super close to the front on a side view. The visual and audio quality is amazing. I feel like I'm there holding the camera and can feel the people around me, hear every bit of the crowd. People in the comments were saying how this was just like being there and the closest to seeing Beyonce live they'll ever get. Just put that on full-screen and turn off the lights and tell me that's not like the real thing. 

How do people know if it's a good show? They hadn't seen it when they bought tickets. If anything, it's bound to leave a lot of people annoyed at how much of a focus she put on an album they didn't know much about and didn't sing more hits. I've heard from a lot of fans who said that they didn't even like CC but they're going to see the tour just to see her because they're a fan and that's what they do. That's the same reason her OTR gigs sold out - fans saying they're not here for Jay at all but they're going just to see Beyonce. But I think they've got so stuck on how she used to be that they think she's still like that, they're seeing and hearing something different. I'm just telling you what us non-fans see. I grew up when Beyonce broke out on the scene. She isn't as good as she was back then. As a celebrity with star power, she still has that aura. I'd probably be starstruck if I met her. But don't confuse starpower with performance ability. Watch her recent performances on mute and you'll see how, without energetic backing dancers and cinematic visuals behind her, she's actually not that amazing as a performer these days. If you stripped all that away, would people find her as amazing? I doubt it. But as I said, the power of Beyonce's marketing knows no bounds. If the public are told someone's the best performer many times, they'll believe it, even when the truth is right in front of them. 

I think you just have to face that the tour/Beyonce isn't for you. Not everyone is gonna connect with Beyonce musically, and she doesn't necessarly make music for everyone, if you get it you get it, similar to Lana (love her too). All I can tell you is that when I went to the tour, the people that were there (+ me) were crying, feeling the music and the message of the show and album. "This house was built of blood and bone, and it crumbled" it's about America, how black people helped build it, and how not only the genre of country but the country itself belongs to them as well. But I respect your opinion on it, that's what makes art so interesting! 

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

1 hour ago, Leography said:

Listen, believe what you want, I have no energy left for this discussion. Reading "she's not saying anything" followed by "well maybe she did but I didn't hear it" proves that some of your comments are not made in good faith (and again: being there and recording is not the same) 

The article just explained what you didn't (want to) see in the message more eloquently than I could. Do what you will with it.

Last point i'll make though:

Movie from 1958. And before you tell me it's not it, the interlude litteraly shows "attack of the 400 foot cowboy" on a movie theater

I get what she's trying to say in some areas but just that it's not doing what she and her fans think it is. I think her artistry is overrated and definitely is the help of a large team and doesn't come completely from her creative mind. It is well known at this point that so many of her songs are almost completed for her and she adds in some additional lyrics here and there so I don't think she really curated all these inspirations and references and direction.

I know Lana was inspired by that movie. It's an inspiration of an inspiration. But let's face it, how many people in this day and age have seen that movie? If anyone is making such imagery, it's from a video with over 167 million views. Beyonce even picks up objects and uses them like Lana did, even specifically, a car and a water tower. She's even kneeling in sand at the end, just like Lana was on a beach. A bit too similar. 

But you can feel whatever you feel about her. We're both entitled to our opinions and neither of us are likely to convince the other.

53 minutes ago, Karl said:

I think you just have to face that the tour/Beyonce isn't for you. Not everyone is gonna connect with Beyonce musically, and she doesn't necessarly make music for everyone, if you get it you get it, similar to Lana (love her too). All I can tell you is that when I went to the tour, the people that were there (+ me) were crying, feeling the music and the message of the show and album. "This house was built of blood and bone, and it crumbled" it's about America, how black people helped build it, and how not only the genre of country but the country itself belongs to them as well. But I respect your opinion on it, that's what makes art so interesting! 

I already knew that. I've listened to all Beyonce's albums and tried to connect to her work. On the whole, I think her music's ok but with the exception of a few albums, it's very overrated to me. But artists who genuinely make music that appeals to everyone are always the most boring so when not everybody likes you, it actually means you're doing something right. If it's made for everyone, it's made for no one, basically. I understand that her whole concept with this trilogy is to reclaim black music and is bringing light to the forerunners, but it's not just the impression I got from the tour. I still see it as a celebration of her just her. Which is fine, it's a solo tour of her songs, but I just think attempts to make it deeper just fell flat. But I like that you're ultimately fine with me having a different opinion. I just wish dissenting opinions about Beyonce weren't dealt with so harshly and we need to stop acting like she's above criticism. I have no problem critiquing my faves so the idea of viewing your fave as always perfect is so weird to me. 

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36 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I get what she's trying to say in some areas but just that it's not doing what she and her fans think it is. I think her artistry is overrated and definitely is the help of a large team and doesn't come completely from her creative mind. It is well known at this point that so many of her songs are almost completed for her and she adds in some additional lyrics here and there so I don't think she really curated all these inspirations and references and direction.

I know Lana was inspired by that movie. It's an inspiration of an inspiration. But let's face it, how many people in this day and age have seen that movie? If anyone is making such imagery, it's from a video with over 167 million views. Beyonce even picks up objects and uses them like Lana did, even specifically, a car and a water tower. She's even kneeling in sand at the end, just like Lana was on a beach. A bit too similar. 

But you can feel whatever you feel about her. We're both entitled to our opinions and neither of us are likely to convince the other.

I already knew that. I've listened to all Beyonce's albums and tried to connect to her work. On the whole, I think her music's ok but with the exception of a few albums, it's very overrated to me. But artists who genuinely make music that appeals to everyone are always the most boring so when not everybody likes you, it actually means you're doing something right. If it's made for everyone, it's made for no one, basically. I understand that her whole concept with this trilogy is to reclaim black music and is bringing light to the forerunners, but it's not just the impression I got from the tour. I still see it as a celebration of her just her. Which is fine, it's a solo tour of her songs, but I just think attempts to make it deeper just fell flat. But I like that you're ultimately fine with me having a different opinion. I just wish dissenting opinions about Beyonce weren't dealt with so harshly and we need to stop acting like she's above criticism. I have no problem critiquing my faves so the idea of viewing your fave as always perfect is so weird to me. 

u flip flop too much, ion trust u 

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 some of yall need to be better haters and just straight up say u dont like this bitch instead of doing all this mental gymnastics stuff to justify ur thoughts

i do it all the time in other threads about other artists, idgaf