Official Charts Thread

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54 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

We keep talking about Katy but damn, TEOG's downfall needs to be studied. That song literally doesn't even exist anymore... and I think it's her best song

Rush released after Judas, unremarkable video, did not significantly stand out in her discography etc.

 

Its a good song but easy to forget about tbh

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27 minutes ago, Economy said:

Rush released after Judas, unremarkable video, did not significantly stand out in her discography etc.

 

Its a good song but easy to forget about tbh

IDK, I'm holding out for a TEOG repeak. This song is exceptional in so many ways, artistry, lyrics, emotion, production, ****in' Clarence Clemens on the saxaphone.

An anthem of epic scale about an epic topic -- death and renewal! 

And when Gaga leapt of the building when she performed it 

I see TEoG as one of her iconic tracks, a necessity, a movement

Edit: I agree though that it lost momentum after Judas video. After the leaked pics of her swimming in a pool with syncronized swimmers only to have the video be her in a foggy alley... I was dissappointed, not because the vid isn't beautiful, but because it tripped up her hit music video track record.

Edited Saturday at 03:13 PM by Skyana Rava

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Hows the new Halsey song performing on streaming?

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20 minutes ago, Skyana Rava said:

IDK, I'm holding out for a TEOG repeak. This song is exceptional in so many ways, artistry, lyrics, emotion, production, ****in' Clarence Clemens on the saxaphone.

An anthem of epic scale about an epic topic -- death and renewal! 

And when Gaga leapt of the building when she performed it 

I see TEoG as one of her iconic tracks, a necessity, a movement

Edit: I agree though that it lost momentum after Judas video. After the leaked pics of her swimming in a pool with syncronized swimmers only to have the video be her in a foggy alley... I was dissappointed, not because the vid isn't beautiful, but because it tripped up her hit music video track record.

Im not disagreeing that its a quality song. But the way it was released in the middle of the era, rushed right after Born This Way which got a lot of attention, and Judas which got a lot of controversial attention + boring music video made TEOG feel a bit like a forgetable non event when your looking back at her discography. It was drowned and mudfled in a lot of other competing noise

 

Great song. But at the time did not stand out in any way to make it remembered now (imo).

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19 minutes ago, Economy said:

Im not disagreeing that its a quality song. But the way it was released in the middle of the era, rushed right after Born This Way which got a lot of attention, and Judas which got a lot of controversial attention + boring music video made TEOG feel a bit like a forgetable non event when your looking back at her discography. It was drowned and mudfled in a lot of other competing noise

 

Great song. But at the time did not stand out in any way to make it remembered now (imo).

Agreed with the part of mv being boring. Ive watched a few straights or metal/rock fan reacted to Gaga's TEOG on youtube and most of them said that the mv deserves a better cinematic experience. But talking about the song, most of them love it as it feels nostalgic, great saxo, and put it either top 3 or top 5 fav out of other tracks in BTW 

cmiiw but I remembered Yuyi the mermaid was supposed to be in the TEOG's mv original concept? no?

Edited Saturday at 03:55 PM by datlastfam

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1 hour ago, Economy said:

Rush released after Judas, unremarkable video, did not significantly stand out in her discography etc.

 

Its a good song but easy to forget about tbh

How did TEOG not stand out in her discography?  Sonically, it was way more unique than Poker Face / Telephone / Born This Way in her discography. It was her first mature sounding single.

I get that many fans disliked the video (for what reason? We will never know) but to say that the song itself is just “good” is a sin 

And I'm deeply convinced that the 180-degree shift she did in 2014-2016 should've started with The Edge Of Glory in 2011. I understand the importance of Born This Way (song) lyrically but to release it as the lead single was truly one of the worst decisions commercially. Everything looked fine until it didn't and that wasn't particularly Judas' fault cause it was still the usual Gaga/RedOne earworm, even with its little controversy. I think nearly any song would've gone #1 for weeks as the lead single, it was inevitable after TF/M. But after Alejandro, she needed to calm down and show the GP that she was extremely talented and didn't NEED the theatrics to be impactful. The Edge Of Glory was the perfect song for that. But they pushed Born This Way and she was cooked after that.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the entire era, it was absolutely perfect for the fans. And it proved that Gaga was truly courageous. But commercially, they missed a huge opportunity to keep her it-girl status going à la Taylor Swift today. And don't get me started with the entire ARTPOP album cause as much as I'm in love with it, it was the definition of commercial suicide and it truly looked like she was just digging her own grave.

Thank God, her talent was strong enough to make her survive in the music business, stay relevant and eventually becoming very successful again after a few years, but they could've easily avoided years of doubt and adaptation by just sticking to adult contemporary singles (and a cute EDM single here and there to remind people she was still the same person). The Edge Of Glory, Marry The Night, Hair, Yoü And I, Bloody Mary... she had plenty of options to start the era but they went for Born This Way.

Not that TEOG shines today and it's actually where this whole conversation started, but Born This Way isn't exactly the single of the decade either and TEOG could've been bigger today if it was the lead single, but they pushed it when she was already cooked, and they actually decided to push it BECAUSE they saw the public react.  They also decided to ignore Bloody Mary for whatever reason when it was always the most successful album track by far on every aspect but oh well, once again the public ended up saving it. 

Rent over cause I could write about it all for a year straight but don't come for TEOG like that, it deserves more than it has and I blame more than one person for that.

Edited Saturday at 03:56 PM by AVeryGagaHolyDick

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2 hours ago, Starmie25 said:

And now 'Bloody Mary' is close to 800M! Absolutely insane. 

Not close but BM already reached 800m a week ago  

Applause now yes it is very close to 800m 

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6 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

How did TEOG not stand out in her discography?  Sonically, it was way more unique than Poker Face / Telephone / Born This Way in her discography. It was her first mature sounding single.

I get that many fans disliked the video (for what reason? We will never know) but to say that the song itself is just “good” is a sin 

And I'm deeply convinced that the 180-degree shift she did in 2014-2016 should've started with The Edge Of Glory in 2011. I understand the importance of Born This Way (song) lyrically but to release it as the lead single was truly one of the worst decisions commercially. Everything looked fine until it didn't and that wasn't particularly Judas' fault cause it was still the usual Gaga/RedOne earworm, even with its little controversy. I think nearly any song would've gone #1 for weeks as the lead single, it was inevitable after TF/M. But after Alejandro, she needed to calm down and show the GP that she was extremely talented and didn't NEED the theatrics to be impactful. The Edge Of Glory was the perfect song for that. But they pushed Born This Way and she was cooked after that.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the entire era, it was absolutely perfect for the fans. And it proved that Gaga was truly courageous. But commercially, they missed a huge opportunity to keep her it-girl status going à la Taylor Swift today. And don't get me started with the entire ARTPOP album cause as much as I'm in love with it, it was the definition of commercial suicide and it truly looked like she was just digging her own grave.

Thank God, her talent was strong enough to make her survive in the music business, stay relevant and eventually becoming very successful again after a few years, but they could've easily avoided years of doubt and adaptation by just sticking to adult contemporary singles (and a cute EDM single here and there to remind people she was still the same person). The Edge Of Glory, Marry The Night, Hair, Yoü And I, Bloody Mary... she had plenty of options to start the era but they went for Born This Way.

Not that TEOG shines today and it's actually where this whole conversation started, but Born This Way isn't exactly the single of the decade either and TEOG could've been bigger today if it was the lead single, but they pushed it when she was already cooked, and they actually decided to push it BECAUSE they saw the public react.  They also decided to ignore Bloody Mary for whatever reason when it was always the most successful album track by far on every aspect but oh well, once again the public ended up saving it. 

Rent over cause I could write about it all for a year straight but don't come for TEOG like that, it deserves more than it has and I blame more than one person for that.

To your point: I wasn't into pop music at all in 2011. I was an indie rock fa*. I knew about Gaga (duh), but like Bey, Katy and the others she did nothing for me. Though I was more intrigued with Gaga than the others because I knew she could actually play music. 

It was 1000% TEoG (and, later, You and I) that really drew me to Gaga because I thought TEoG was such a perfectly crafted pop rock song. I found myself searching for her performances of it online. I remember being blown away by the song. Still am. I absolutely love it.

By ARTPOP I was a stan and new pop music devotee. So TEoG is kinda my pop origin story. 

 

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16 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

How did TEOG not stand out in her discography?  Sonically, it was way more unique than Poker Face / Telephone / Born This Way in her discography. It was her first mature sounding single.

I get that many fans disliked the video (for what reason? We will never know) but to say that the song itself is just “good” is a sin 

And I'm deeply convinced that the 180-degree shift she did in 2014-2016 should've started with The Edge Of Glory in 2011. I understand the importance of Born This Way (song) lyrically but to release it as the lead single was truly one of the worst decisions commercially. Everything looked fine until it didn't and that wasn't particularly Judas' fault cause it was still the usual Gaga/RedOne earworm, even with its little controversy. I think nearly any song would've gone #1 for weeks as the lead single, it was inevitable after TF/M. But after Alejandro, she needed to calm down and show the GP that she was extremely talented and didn't NEED the theatrics to be impactful. The Edge Of Glory was the perfect song for that. But they pushed Born This Way and she was cooked after that.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the entire era, it was absolutely perfect for the fans. And it proved that Gaga was truly courageous. But commercially, they missed a huge opportunity to keep her it-girl status going à la Taylor Swift today. And don't get me started with the entire ARTPOP album cause as much as I'm in love with it, it was the definition of commercial suicide and it truly looked like she was just digging her own grave.

Thank God, her talent was strong enough to make her survive in the music business, stay relevant and eventually becoming very successful again after a few years, but they could've easily avoided years of doubt and adaptation by just sticking to adult contemporary singles (and a cute EDM single here and there to remind people she was still the same person). The Edge Of Glory, Marry The Night, Hair, Yoü And I, Bloody Mary... she had plenty of options to start the era but they went for Born This Way.

Not that TEOG shines today and it's actually where this whole conversation started, but Born This Way isn't exactly the single of the decade either and TEOG could've been bigger today if it was the lead single, but they pushed it when she was already cooked, and they actually decided to push it BECAUSE they saw the public react.  They also decided to ignore Bloody Mary for whatever reason when it was always the most successful album track by far on every aspect but oh well, once again the public ended up saving it. 

Rent over cause I could write about it all for a year straight but don't come for TEOG like that, it deserves more than it has and I blame more than one person for that.

Love your appreciation towards TEOG and how great the song is but hun I think you missed the point why exactly she released BTW (album) and the title song itself during the time. It was to send a message for the equality that she stands for and LGTBQ+ that she supported. Thats the whole point why the album exist. If other tracks mentioned was chosen as lead single instead, thats kinda feel contradicted on what she wanted to express and deliver to the community and public 

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44 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

How did TEOG not stand out in her discography?  Sonically, it was way more unique than Poker Face / Telephone / Born This Way in her discography. It was her first mature sounding single.

I get that many fans disliked the video (for what reason? We will never know) but to say that the song itself is just “good” is a sin 

And I'm deeply convinced that the 180-degree shift she did in 2014-2016 should've started with The Edge Of Glory in 2011. I understand the importance of Born This Way (song) lyrically but to release it as the lead single was truly one of the worst decisions commercially. Everything looked fine until it didn't and that wasn't particularly Judas' fault cause it was still the usual Gaga/RedOne earworm, even with its little controversy. I think nearly any song would've gone #1 for weeks as the lead single, it was inevitable after TF/M. But after Alejandro, she needed to calm down and show the GP that she was extremely talented and didn't NEED the theatrics to be impactful. The Edge Of Glory was the perfect song for that. But they pushed Born This Way and she was cooked after that.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the entire era, it was absolutely perfect for the fans. And it proved that Gaga was truly courageous. But commercially, they missed a huge opportunity to keep her it-girl status going à la Taylor Swift today. And don't get me started with the entire ARTPOP album cause as much as I'm in love with it, it was the definition of commercial suicide and it truly looked like she was just digging her own grave.

Thank God, her talent was strong enough to make her survive in the music business, stay relevant and eventually becoming very successful again after a few years, but they could've easily avoided years of doubt and adaptation by just sticking to adult contemporary singles (and a cute EDM single here and there to remind people she was still the same person). The Edge Of Glory, Marry The Night, Hair, Yoü And I, Bloody Mary... she had plenty of options to start the era but they went for Born This Way.

Not that TEOG shines today and it's actually where this whole conversation started, but Born This Way isn't exactly the single of the decade either and TEOG could've been bigger today if it was the lead single, but they pushed it when she was already cooked, and they actually decided to push it BECAUSE they saw the public react.  They also decided to ignore Bloody Mary for whatever reason when it was always the most successful album track by far on every aspect but oh well, once again the public ended up saving it. 

Rent over cause I could write about it all for a year straight but don't come for TEOG like that, it deserves more than it has and I blame more than one person for that.

Im not sure you entirely get the angle im getting at as you seem to be trying to convince me its a great song etc. Im not disputing that fact at all and I agree with you. What Im saying is that from an era standpoint, timing of release, impact of promo, buzz, controvery (or lack there of) etc it felt very uneventful and nothing to stand out, thus making it harder to remember later. It was a relatively quiet release compared to the rest of the era all things considered.

 

For anyone who isnt a major Gaga fan, I do not see anything that would make them think of TEOG as a major era point when thinking of Born This Way era or 2011 Gaga

 

As for your point about Gaga shifting gears from TEOG onwards I actually agree with u there as well, it probably would have allowed her to remain more likeable to GP longer and have her IT girl streak continue longer

 

That said, I also know Gaga got a lot of positive attention with C2C era and then Sound Of Music tribute in part because someone with as much of a reputation for being crazy and out there could suddendly do such "normal" and simple styles. Attention she likely would not have received to the same extent had she pivoted earlier

 

So while ab earlier pivot might have kept her peak going longer, I think its hard to say for sure how ultimately it would have impacted her career tragectory longer term

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1 hour ago, datlastfam said:

Love your appreciation towards TEOG and how great the song is but hun I think you missed the point why exactly she released BTW (album) and the title song itself during the time. It was to send a message for the equality that she stands for and LGTBQ+ that she supported. Thats the whole point why the album exist. If other tracks mentioned was chosen as lead single instead, thats kinda feel contradicted on what she wanted to express and deliver to the community and public 

I mentionned all of that in my comment

[Cpeer 5,064]

Just a reminder that The Edge of Glory even after the Judas controversy did amazing numbers. 
 

it peaked at #3 and charter for 31 weeks on BB ( 11 weeks in the top 10).
 One of Gaga’s biggest radio hits with over 100AI( i think 106 was the peak). 

Yes TEOG is not one of her most recognisable hits by GP, but still a very successful single and one of her best written songs ever. 
 

By my subjective opinion it saved the BTW era, if something flopped after Judas the era would have been DONE. 

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1 hour ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

I mentionned all of that in my comment

Yes i read it and your whole point blaming her for pushing BTW as lead instead of TEOG, still contradicted her message of the album. Despite how great TEOG sound is, it is not a strong lead single imo. Gaga rightfully made the right choice to release BTW to kickstart the era. It is even weaker to compete the other songs during the time; Fireworks, Grenade, etc. As much as how controversial BTW is during the time, to call Born This Way isn't exactly the single of the decade either is such an ignorant despite how the song has saved many lives, may not be the song of the decade to you but it is a fckin Gay anthem for many upcoming decades, so she is still winning 

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2 minutes ago, Cpeer said:

Just a reminder that The Edge of Glory even after the Judas controversy did amazing numbers. 
 

it peaked at #3 and charter for 31 weeks on BB ( 11 weeks in the top 10).
 One of Gaga’s biggest radio hits with over 100AI( i think 106 was the peak). 

Yes TEOG is not one of her most recognisable hits by GP, but still a very successful single and one of her best written songs ever. 
 

By my subjective opinion it saved the BTW era, if something flopped after Judas the era would have been DONE. 

Thank you!

I forgot that TEOG was btw album's biggest radio hit with longevity.

And I forgot how it had helped her reputation at the time! It threw the gagahaters off a bit for her to release something so universally loveable as TEOG. It was a nice break from the hate iirc, although the hate amongst monsters for the video was rough af

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2 minutes ago, Cpeer said:

Just a reminder that The Edge of Glory even after the Judas controversy did amazing numbers. 
 

it peaked at #3 and charter for 31 weeks on BB ( 11 weeks in the top 10).
 One of Gaga’s biggest radio hits with over 100AI( i think 106 was the peak). 

Yes TEOG is not one of her most recognisable hits by GP, but still a very successful single and one of her best written songs ever. 
 

By my subjective opinion it saved the BTW era, if something flopped after Judas the era would have been DONE. 

I agree…finally someone said it. I remember the born this way era very well, and TEOG did really well, it was more then a moderate hit