Official Charts Thread

[Economy 52,538]

11 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I mean, tbf, referring to Asian people as “oriental” has been offensive for the better part of a century and “chola” isn’t wholly offensive as much as it’s a bizarre term to include in a list of national and racial identities, as it’s more of a style/subculture (and it has a negative racial connotation when used by white people going back several hundreds of years). I don’t think any of this outweighs the positive message of the song, but I also don’t think it’s fair or accurate to say that people taking issue with those terms is a byproduct of reactionary PC/“safe space” culture.

So im genuinely asking (not trying to start something)

 

Oriental is a region of the map and usually the same word used to describe people from said region.

 

You can also say Caucasion or Latino as a generalized term but just like Oriental, it encopases more just just 1 specific Country/Nationality. Its an ethnic category. But we dont get offended when people say Caucasion or Latino even though it isnt always specific to only 1 Country

 

So what makes Oriental offensive?

[Economy 52,538]

35 minutes ago, JohnPokerface said:

I feel like based on songs from BTW that gone viral this decade (BM and Judas) BTW the song is just not the type of music people want to hear from Gaga or feel nostalgic about. It's more about the message and less about the vibes. We don't have any new big songs with the similar message.

Ill be honest with you. I dont deny the intent behind the message of the song

 

But the song itself to me is cheesy AF and it was never among my fav BTW songs. I almost never listen to it.

 

In fact it was my least fav of the singles (You and I almost a tie tho for bottom), and theres countless album tracks on the album i also prefer over btw

 

Like whatever devate about offensiveness there is about the track, I suspect is not the main reason its not pulling numbers. The GP does not consider it one of her catchy iconic hits and many fans clearly prefer other tracks also

 

Theres radio stations in Toronto that play Gaga songs a lot but its always: Just Dance, Poker Face, Paparazzi, Bad Romance and now Die With A Smile

 

Born This way I only hear occasionally if its in June and then its totally forgotten lol

[Ladle Ghoulash 48,502]

9 minutes ago, Economy said:

So im genuinely asking (not trying to start something)

 

Oriental is a region of the map and usually the same word used to describe people from said region.

 

You can also say Caucasion or Latino as a generalized term but just like Oriental, it encopases more just just 1 specific Country/Nationality. Its an ethnic category. But we dont get offended when people say Caucasion or Latino even though it isnt always specific to only 1 Country

 

So what makes Oriental offensive?

Theoretically, I don’t think you’re wrong that it’s not intrinsically offensive, but generally, it was the way in which it was used to reinforce broad racial stereotypes of Asian people (mocking their appearances, languages, and treating them as “foreigners” and “others” relative to Europeans and “westerners”). 

Edited Sunday at 03:25 PM by Ladle Ghoulash

[ManMan 3,665]

7 hours ago, ManMan said:

JUNE 5

DWAS

31(-3) 2,619,550 (+60,676)

 

How Bad Do U Want Me rose 10% compared to last week, one of the biggest increases in Gaga's top 30 songs.

Oh the Taylord Sweep impact, I knew it, I knew her !

 

 

 

JUNE 6

DWAS

31(=) 2,532,202 (-87,348)

 

 

[Skyana Rava 2,546]

11 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I mean, tbf, referring to Asian people as “oriental” has been offensive for the better part of a century and “chola” isn’t wholly offensive as much as it’s a bizarre term to include in a list of national and racial identities, as it’s more of a style/subculture (and it has a negative racial connotation when used by white people going back several hundreds of years). I don’t think any of this outweighs the positive message of the song, but I also don’t think it’s fair or accurate to say that people taking issue with those terms is a byproduct of reactionary PC/“safe space” culture.

damn I almost went @Ladle Ghoulash can you explain this 

and here you already did

[JohnPokerface 202]

20 minutes ago, Economy said:

Ill be honest with you. I dont deny the intent behind the message of the song

 

But the song itself to me is cheesy AF and it was never among my fav BTW songs. I almost never listen to it.

 

In fact it was my least fav of the singles (You and I almost a tie tho for bottom), and theres countless album tracks on the album i also prefer over btw

 

Like whatever devate about offensiveness there is about the track, I suspect is not the main reason its not pulling numbers. The GP does not consider it one of her catchy iconic hits and many fans clearly prefer other tracks also

 

Theres radio stations in Toronto that play Gaga songs a lot but its always: Just Dance, Poker Face, Paparazzi, Bad Romance and now Die With A Smile

 

Born This way I only hear occasionally if its in June and then its totally forgotten lol

I agree, it's not one of my favs on the album as well. I just don't think people want to listen this type of music rn, the cheesy, anthemic songs about self-love and acceptance and it's not something people want from Gaga. That's one of the reasons I think Lizzo is flopping rn, because that is her brand. And Pride month is not Christmas, it's not celebrated as widely, so even without offensive lyrics in BTW I wouldn't expect big streaming numbers for the song.

[Ladle Ghoulash 48,502]

15 minutes ago, Skyana Rava said:

damn I almost went @Ladle Ghoulash can you explain this 

and here you already did

Not me being the Grok of GGD 😭

[LG2008 6,277]

11 hours ago, Psyduck said:

Ariana and Taylor bound to get another number #1 this month. I hope Michael buys this billboard #1 for LG8 

If they didn't do it for Abracadabra and didn't move a finger for Harlequin and MAYHEM at the Grammys, I don't think they will do something to secure a #1 or an award for her 

[Nagini 3,980]

12 hours ago, The Breast said:

just to correct you about the "clunkiness" of the bridge, she says:
You're black, white, beige, chola descent, you're Lebanese, you're Orient. Not your, and each comma functions as an "or", as in you could be any of those - you're still beautiful. Completely comprehensible if you ask me 

You cannot be for real. Beige? Randomly shouting out Lebanon to refer to Middle Easterns? It may be comprehensible what she's trying to achieve here but it's definitely not done well. She gets away with it because the music itself is very good. Obviously we love her quirky lyrics for the most part, but if I had to take it look at them objectively, some of them are def. a little ridiculous 

[ManMan 3,665]

On 6/7/2026 at 11:34 PM, ManMan said:

JUNE 6

DWAS

31(=) 2,532,202 (-87,348)

 

 

JUNE 7

DWAS

29(+2) 2,347,836 (-184,366)

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 04:00 PM by ManMan

[Mirrion Rizzons 12,580]

Born This Way was a perfect song for the digital downloads era, less so for streaming. 

It is iconic, but kinda like other empowerment anthems - you wouldn't really stream them, but if you heard them at a bar or party, everyone will sing along

[JustTea 6,910]

ROM +17% boost on a Sunday 

[DesertWolf 54,211]

Omg Chromatica above ARTPOP in daily streams 

[doppelganger 4,011]

On 6/7/2026 at 11:15 PM, Economy said:

So im genuinely asking (not trying to start something)

 

Oriental is a region of the map and usually the same word used to describe people from said region.

 

You can also say Caucasion or Latino as a generalized term but just like Oriental, it encopases more just just 1 specific Country/Nationality. Its an ethnic category. But we dont get offended when people say Caucasion or Latino even though it isnt always specific to only 1 Country

 

So what makes Oriental offensive?

I suppose Orient is a western concept of how the west saw Asia during colonial times. As an Asian person born in Asia, I don't think the word is offensive at all ... Tbh it's not really a word that is used to describe Asian people

[Togekiss 2,974]

18 minutes ago, doppelganger said:

I suppose Orient is a western concept of how the west saw Asia during colonial times. As an Asian person born in Asia, I don't think the word is offensive at all ... Tbh it's not really a word that is used to describe Asian people

Whether or not orient/oriental is offensive or not depends on the use and intent IMO. Like if some boomer asks “what kind of Chinese are you?”, it’s offensive because they’re assuming all Asians are Chinese, but it’s not the word Chinese itself that’s offensive.

In the context of the song it’s literally just being used as a synonym for Asian.