Kazakhstan Bans Face Coverings, Muslim Women Asked To Embrace National Style

[Lucas 31,130]

6 hours ago, A Fried Egg said:

We always criticize Christianity but not Islam?

I don't know on what planet you live but on Earth, Islam is constantly being criticized wtf  way more than christianity

[InTheCloset 21,794]

Well this is tricky. 
They could make some amends to this rule. I get the security part because i live in a muslim majority country and often people here use burqas and abayas to carry out crimes like theft and kidnapping children. Even in exams most girls would wear abayas and then talk underneath it and cheat easily. Before zia ul haq’s islamization of our country it was rather modern and forward moving. 
So im confused. 

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10 minutes ago, Lucas said:

I don't know on what planet you live but on Earth, Islam is constantly being criticized wtf  way more than christianity

Planet GagaDaily.  We don’t criticize it enough around here because it’s associated with racism, I think?

And Islam deserves it. I grew up in a hyper religious Christian household, which was already bad enough, around Muslim friends who had it way worse. Many had views that are considered backwards nowadays, particularly on women and gays. I’m going to keep criticizing it for as long as it treats women like second class citizens. 

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6 hours ago, A Fried Egg said:

We always criticize Christianity but not Islam? At the root of it all it’s the same. The face covering is meant to suppress women and has almost nothing to do with being prude. It’s a practice concocted by men in power who wanted to treat women like property since medieval times (and perhaps it was necessary back then for political stability? Powerful men making harems is not uncommon, think Chinese and Greek concubines.). It signifies that women should keep their mouths shut and obey.

I grew up around Muslims and an independent woman is an unthinkable and dangerous prospect. 

I can't speak on the women of Kazakhstan but many women voluntarily wear religious attire if they want to. I believe that whether a woman wants to wear a hijab or not to wear a hijab should be her personal belief only and should not be forced/coerced to wear or not wear it. In one way, you're right that many women are also forced to cover their hair, or even from head to toe.

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6 hours ago, ALGAYDO said:

If a woman chooses to follow the laws of Islam, who are you to tell her “no, I don’t like it, you can’t do that!” ??? 

If a woman chooses to follow a christian belief system, and believes abortion is murder, would the same kindness be shown to her ? At the end of the day, its always women being critized for taking part in male centric religions, and not the men who created that system. While i am not for telling a woman what to think and what to wear, we need to be able to critisize islam as a religion and a system of oppression. Not long ago, it was the same with christianity, unable to divorce etc. But as a society we have deconstructed some of those systems of oppression and the world is a better place for it. The same could happen with islam. 

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7 hours ago, ALGAYDO said:

If a woman chooses to follow the laws of Islam, who are you to tell her “no, I don’t like it, you can’t do that!” ??? 

I don’t care I don’t respect their bullshit because their main goal is the spread of their ideology in every corner. Islam fights every day to be spread everywhere with force and terror. I’m saying all of this because I’ve seen it being close to it. 
It is the most backward religion to exist. 

[hamartia 3,029]

So you guys are supporting the emancipation of women by *checks notes* celebrating that the government is forcing them to dress a certain way unless they want to withdraw from public life altogether? Got it lol

Let's make it so girls don't go to school, but do it feministly 

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1 hour ago, Lucas said:

I don't know on what planet you live but on Earth, Islam is constantly being criticized wtf  way more than christianity

But Islam is never criticized by the new wave of liberal “woke” people and you know exactly who I’m talking about.

Islam literally means death to the future. And this is coming again by someone who is “Muslim” but I don’t believe any of that **** in any way or form. 

 

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7 hours ago, A Fried Egg said:

Your heart is in the right place, but you should consider coming over to Muslim majority countries and see what it’s really like. Once they cover up, it’s a quick decent into loss of rights. 

No driving, no owning your own home, no making decisions without a man, no choosing your own future. No abortions and absolutely no gays. Pray you have a good husband because one that beats you will see no repercussions. 
 

I grew up in Singapore, but visited Malaysia and Indonesia quite often. Then I moved to Europe and made some ex-Muslim friends who are from the Middle East. This is our experience. 

He doesn’t get it. He’s trying so hard to be “supportive” of a religion that would want him dead. I don’t give a flying f*** for a bunch of ignorant religious fanatics who wanna spread their ignorance to other people and don’t respect human rights and neither should anyone. 
Islam is known to be NOT a peaceful religion so why give it any respect? It doesn’t deserve any. And people who believe that ideology are some of the most ignorant people I’ve met.

[Bronco 25,131]

11 minutes ago, hamartia said:

So you guys are supporting the emancipation of women by *checks notes* celebrating that the government is forcing them to dress a certain way unless they want to withdraw from public life altogether? Got it lol

Let's make it so girls don't go to school, but do it feministly 

Don't forget it's also to enable greater levels of government surveilance. 

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52 minutes ago, GoldenPonyboy said:

If a woman chooses to follow a christian belief system, and believes abortion is murder, would the same kindness be shown to her ? At the end of the day, its always women being critized for taking part in male centric religions, and not the men who created that system. While i am not for telling a woman what to think and what to wear, we need to be able to critisize islam as a religion and a system of oppression. Not long ago, it was the same with christianity, unable to divorce etc. But as a society we have deconstructed some of those systems of oppression and the world is a better place for it. The same could happen with islam. 

That’s gonna be hard. Islamists are the worst. They’re very backward and their goal is to spread their thing everywhere they go. This is why they demand mosques everywhere they go. Try and pray everywhere on the streets, work, this and that. Seeing the neoliberal movement being ok with a lot of the bullshit Islam brings is the stupidest thing imo. But we will see its effects super late and regret for giving this religion of hate any support.

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7 hours ago, Gabi001 said:

I wonder if all people here fighting for "women's right" to be covered in cloth are also fighting for womam circumcision, as it is also a religious and cultural belief and women from some cultures are socially pressured by their religion into doing it, same as islam is socially pressuring covering the face

6 hours ago, River said:

Kazakhstan is a country with Muslim majority, you gays should see it as a progress.

I feel like people who comes from Christian countries where the oppression on women and what they wear and were their place in the world is doesn't exist, don't understand how these laws are actually liberating women, even if their reasons are bad.

Judaism is as oppressive as Islam, orthodox women needs to wear a wig or cover their faces, to wear long clothes, all this and all that, like just imagine yourself covering all your body during the current heat wave please.

 

Ya'll gay men fighting for women for their "right" to be oppressed, are much worst than the muslim man who wears chill clothes near his covered wife on a summer day, take a seat and let women fight for themselves.

I feel like a lot of y'all didn't learn about the "Manifest Destiny" period of American colonialism. It's the period of time covering westward expansion of the US, with a lot of conflict between colonial America and Native Americans and slavery. Colonists believed it was their duty to free Natives and slaves of their savagery by bringing "modern" technological advancements to their land at that time. So it's essentially doing what's best for these people, in the colonists minds. And it sounds quite a bit like what y'all are suggesting. That pushing your norms on other people will cure them of their trashy acts. 

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1 minute ago, AsleepOnTheCeiling said:

I feel like a lot of y'all didn't learn about the "Manifest Destiny" period of American colonialism. It's the period of time covering westward expansion of the US, with a lot of conflict between colonial America and Native Americans and slavery. Colonists believed it was their duty to free Natives and slaves of their savagery by bringing "modern" technological advancements to their land at that time. So it's essentially doing what's best for these people, in the colonists minds. And it sounds quite a bit like what y'all are suggesting. That pushing your norms on other people will cure them of their trashy acts. 

Not everything is about America and colonialism and it feels like you're talking about native Americans and Muslims like they are backward savages, they are not, they have beautiful cultures, but like every culture, there are flaws that we should feel free to point and criticize. 

I'm speaking as a Jewish person who sees how the religion is oppressing women, by their clothes even by the sits on the bus etc. and it's equal to Islam, it's the same practice, so I can speak up as much as I want.

You Americans and Europeans don't understand sh-t about the Jewish, Arabic and Muslim cultures and you don't understand how oppressive they are.

Like it or not, even the Muslims are changing, are progressing, especially women, and we can see it everywhere in the Muslim world but it feels like you guys just want to prevent it from them 

 

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1 hour ago, River said:

Not everything is about America and colonialism and it feels like you're talking about native Americans and Muslims like they are backward savages, they are not, they have beautiful cultures, but like every culture, there are flaws that we should feel free to point and criticize. 

I'm speaking as a Jewish person who sees how the religion is oppressing women, by their clothes even by the sits on the bus etc. and it's equal to Islam, it's the same practice, so I can speak up as much as I want.

You Americans and Europeans don't understand sh-t about the Jewish, Arabic and Muslim cultures and you don't understand how oppressive they are.

Like it or not, even the Muslims are changing, are progressing, especially women, and we can see it everywhere in the Muslim world but it feels like you guys just want to prevent it from them 

 

Islamists are not changing at all. If anything they keep spreading their backward bullshit all over Europe and will get to US at some point if they are allowed to. 
It will bring this backward mentality and everyone will suffer, especially queer people who seem to support Islam so much lately. It is insane to me. Islam deserves no respect. 
 
And I’m saying this as a Muslim from the Balkans. 

[Controversiaga 16,102]

Everyone should have the free will to chose what religions and beliefs they want to follow. And should NEVER push their religion or beliefs on anyone else, be it friends, family, strangers, etc.

stop controlling others!

my personal belief it all extreme religions can become harmful- however, if someone is happy following it, let them. If they don’t want to follow it, let them!