andy232000 11,256 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) I’ve seen massive hate for it. And it’s understandable. I know that she’s not pandering to men and she’ll say something much more intricate through her music, but the execution of the artwork is very tone deaf and you can’t convince me otherwise. Satire that leans too much on the very thing it is trying to criticize to the point it becomes it…just doesn’t work as satire anymore lol. This has turned into an aesthetic more so than a critique. And what rubs me the wrong way is that her team obviously knew this would generate discourse and they are using that to an advantage, so it’s like using woman degradation (and this isn’t a consensual kink power dynamic play, this is very clearly a demonstration of abuse), as a marketing strategy, which in my book and as a marketing major myself cannot possibly excuse. It irks me that people are like “oh ya’ll asked for a provocative pop star”, “Ya’ll would not tolerate Madonna’s Sex book” without understanding the implications of careless communication practices like this. Stan twitter might take the time of day to look past the cover and understand the lyrics, but the GP? The Incels? They’ll just look at Sabrina’s cover and be like “yes women are dogs”. Which again, her team definitely knew, and they still went along with it. Edited June 12 by andy232000 4 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanadelduck 1,980 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 The cover is great. Anyone complaining isn’t busy enough or working hard enough and needs to get a life. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALGAYDO 32,101 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Not a Sabrina fan by any measures but I actually like the cover, it’s controversial yes but it perfectly highlights what’s she’s all about: using her sexuality and femininity to poke fun of the patriarchy. It’s supposed to be tongue in cheekingly saying that she’s NOT some man’s plaything, she’s her own person. I love it when artists provoke these types of conversations while still stating true to their own brand. This is no different from when females artist use the “plastic Barbie toy” aesthetic to poke fun of misogyny 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastpopicon 28,992 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 This is not even something new for a mpg, granted this is not an album cover but the imagery is pretty much the same, people just love be outraged now Don't y'all love to say Madonna opened the doors for all the pop girls? Apparently, the doors are just half open. God forbid a girl wanting to express herself how she wants without having others calling her own choices misogyny or degrading. The melody that you choose can rescue you 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasagna 2,825 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) people are absolutely insane. the sterile swiftification of pop music is absolutely bizarre to me like how does this cover create that reaction in young people. this is just conservative nonsense being brainwashed into a younger generation who have no social skills in the real world after growing up on social media and twitter hot takes i really hate the mental link that a woman being sexual outside the strict conservative ideals = degrading. i will never understand why sexuality, desires, and sex is viewed as a negative, especially for women Edited June 12 by lasagna 8 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLa 19,592 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Imagine being genuinely scandalized by Sabrina Carpenter, I can't 2 3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 11,256 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 9 minutes ago, lastpopicon said: This is not even something new for a mpg, granted this is not an album cover but the imagery is pretty much the same, people just love be outraged now Don't y'all love to say Madonna opened the doors for all the pop girls? Apparently, the doors are just half open. God forbid a girl wanting to express herself how she wants without having others calling her own choices misogyny or degrading. I mean, this is totally different in my eyes. There is no hair pulling nor degrading posture, nor a tittle referring to a woman’s existence as an animal (although it’s a very witty concept; I hope she explored it deeply on her lyrics), and Madonna’s clear happy expression doesn’t convey any sort of non consensual dynamic. I understand people who don’t find something wrong with the cover, but I think nuances are important and this isn’t a fair comparison in my opinion. But it’s ok if we disagree. I just had never seen this Madonna picture and I wanted to share my thoughts. Edited June 12 by andy232000 6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 22,422 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 6 minutes ago, lastpopicon said: This is not even something new for a mpg, granted this is not an album cover but the imagery is pretty much the same, people just love be outraged now Don't y'all love to say Madonna opened the doors for all the pop girls? Apparently, the doors are just half open. God forbid a girl wanting to express herself how she wants without having others calling her own choices misogyny or degrading. I mean lest we forget DWUW or GUY We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 105,259 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 7 minutes ago, lastpopicon said: This is not even something new for a mpg, granted this is not an album cover but the imagery is pretty much the same, people just love be outraged now Don't y'all love to say Madonna opened the doors for all the pop girls? Apparently, the doors are just half open. God forbid a girl wanting to express herself how she wants without having others calling her own choices misogyny or degrading. Sarbina's album cover is just bad. Now THIS would be an iconic album cover tbh. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty like sodium 1,665 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Ngl the sexual puritanism of Gen Z is wild to me lmao. I’m not saying that the image isn’t provocative, but to claim that engaging with dom/sub gender-based dynamics in pop imagery is intrinsically misogynistic is definitely a huge stretch. But, again, the Discourse™️ is what Sabrina wanted and Discourse™️ she shall get! 100%. she's trending so clearly the image worked. and you're right that they are oversimplifying the image and its message, since it's obviously intentionally ambiguous and provocative. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 11,256 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 This reminds me of Gaga’s puke performance at SXSW during the ARTPOP days. I think people are allowed to find some artistry as well as be in disagreement with how it plays lightly with eating disorders. Each to their own, but I hope people engage with it critically. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughhouse Dandy 11,042 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) It's a cute cover. It hit me the wrong way and I don't like the way it comes off, but it could very well be justified by the songs in the project so the think pieces coming out already feel like reactionary garbage. The sh*t women artists have to deal with. Edited June 12 by Roughhouse Dandy This is my Hannah Montana™️ lipgloss. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 22,422 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) On 6/11/2025 at 9:19 PM, andy232000 said: This reminds me of Gaga’s puke performance at SXSW during the ARTPOP days. I think people are allowed to find some artistry as well as be in disagreement with how it plays lightly with eating disorders. Each to their own, but I hope people engage with it critically. Yeah, but imo, finding it disagreeable is different than going out of of your way to take offense or find moral fault with it. In many of the posts in the OP, there’s no genuine interest in nuance or intention and an outsized emphasis on outrage. Disliking it is one thing, but I think there’s a lot of uncritical condemnation going on, which feels like another. Edited June 13 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastpopicon 28,992 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 2 minutes ago, andy232000 said: I mean, this is totally differ my in my eyes. There is no hair pulling nor degrading posture, nor a tittle referring to a woman’s existence as an animal. I understand people who don’t find something wrong with the cover, but I think nuances are important and this isn’t a dirty fair comparison in my opinion. But it’s ok if we disagree. I just had never seen this Madonna picture and I wanted to share my thoughts. Sabrina cover is certainly more daring and has more shook value, but then again, almost 30 years passed since that Madonna photo, I'm sure others criticized Madonna for that picture almost 30 years ago 😆 It's a never ending cycle. 😭 The melody that you choose can rescue you Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 11,256 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, Roughhouse Dandy said: It's a cute cover. It hit me the wrong way and I don't like the way it comes off, but it could very well be justified by the songs in the project so the think pieces coming out already feel like reactionary garbage. The sh*t women artists have to deal with. 100% agree. I’m curious to see if she’ll change it. It’s very easy to update covers nowadays and she could just quietly replace it with something else, or if she’ll stick to her guns. I’m sure songs will contextualize it better and I will finish digesting the cover as a result. But definitely as a standalone piece this cover is not what I would enjoy from anybody. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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