Google’s new AI in action (We’re cooked)

[Kayi 2,606]

1 hour ago, hELXIG said:

Generative AI has only been out for public access for less than 2 years now, and in just the past 6 months we've gotten it to this point..

 

In another year it will be indistinguishable to human-written music. And I guarantee you if they can monetise it, they will. So we're gonna start hearing AI music around soon. Once record labels realise they don't have to pay artists, humans, to create art, it's all over. Why would they fund an unreliable human, who needs to have life experiences and find the inspiration, and spend hours upon hours of expensive studio time, when they can just plug in a prompt and wait 10 minutes? Or take advantage of some struggling creative by giving them false promises of becoming an artist and having them just type out and refine prompts for minimum wage

Maybe Gaga's brand is strong enough to survive for a while considering she's one of the top global artists, and they will continue to see the value in funding her work, but there's no way they will be signing new artists ever again. We could be looking right now at the very last generation of musicians and artists that will have mainstream success and notoriety

And you mentioned that maybe it's a good thing for artists to be pushed and challenged, but I heavily disagree. Creating competition and insane metrics and standards to try and meet kills creativity. Artists need space to breathe and create, not competition and pressure

The ONLY thing I have been able to think of which could save music (and art in general. Movies, books, TV, paintings, etc) is a future where people place more value on 'human-made' art. Like a premium for something specifically because it's human-made. I actually can foresee a future where it becomes a status symbol for the rich and elite to flaunt their human-made art, while the rest of us get lifeless, recycled, AI junk

But I guess time will tell

I think that artists like Gaga or Taylor will put pressure on record label to be sure that the industry doesn't shamble and disappear. If the industry ppl disappear then it would be hard for them to find competant ppl to produce their music or to make emerge new ideas and music genres... Cause the industry need a strong facade.

You're right it's sad that we will have to put new standards for emerging artists but music evolve with technological revolutions. Aficionados will still do music for the sake of music... But ppl who want to emerge will have to face this to transcend artistically and challenge the machine.

I define art as Human's expressions so AI "art" isn't art but just a bunch of calculations that aren't human in any way. A human has a mind, memories, he feels and think what he does. The machine can't.

I hope it won't be too bad...

[Cavadour 2,291]

@hELXIG I totally get what your saying about AI. They're reasons to be scared. I'm scared too. But I just witnessed the exact same reactions, arguments, rejection and fear when early personal computers hit the market more than 40 years ago.

Fear about losing control on creation, death of the analog way of doing things, sending thousands of people in unemployment, the advent of mankind's baser instincts. I won't say all this didn't happen to a certain extent, but I also try to put it in perspective. Based on what we can see today by having computers presence in almost every aspect of our lives. For better AND worse.

Change is scary. To step inside new logics and leave the old ways behind is scary. But since evolution is unavoidable, let's jump on the train and learn to master the new tool the best way possible.

Long story short, we have to adapt and learn. Fear, rejection or brickwalling don't help. Keeping an open mind and learning is the only way to not get dumped on the roadside. AI, as so many new tools before is here to stay for better AND worse. So let's learn as fast as possible, stay vigilant and choose wisely.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 05:03 PM by Cavadour

[Cavadour 2,291]

And also just this. What we love today about music, pop songs of Gaga for instance, are for most part created with computers, machines. There was a time, music was only played live. Then came the recording machines, acoustic instruments became electric, analog became digital.

Just to say that, what we consider rightly so as creative in today's computerized music, has never been anything else but artificial and uncreative for old gens who never evolved from the acoustic instrumental age.

I remember people saying once that beatboxes and drum machines will replace drummers in the future...

 

 

Edited Saturday at 05:02 PM by Cavadour

[steven 5,860]

33 minutes ago, Cavadour said:

Change is scary. To step inside new logics and leave the old ways behind is scary. But since evolution is unavoidable, let's jump on the train and learn to master the new tool the best way possible.

Long story short, we have to adapt and learn. Fear, rejection or brickwalling don't help. Keeping an open mind and learning is the only way to not get dumped on the roadside. AI, as so many new tools before is here to stay for better AND worse. So let's learn as fast as possible, stay vigilant and choose wisely.

Exactly. We need to embrace AI just like we did when the Internet first came along. There will be adjustments of course, but we can’t deny its impact. It’s here to stay. I believe AI has the potential to do wonders and will improve our lives in many ways over the next few years. I use ChatGPT daily for advice and it has helped me tremendously.

[Cavadour 2,291]

1 hour ago, Kayi said:

In another year it will be indistinguishable to human-written music. And I guarantee you if they can monetise it, they will. So we're gonna start hearing AI music around soon. Once record labels realise they don't have to pay artists, humans, to create art, it's all over.

Since AI only compute and spits out a digest what already exist, the ultimate choice of what we like or not is left to the listener. In today's music landscape, there's already so much sameness, blandness (the example on the video shows it) that AI alone will only expand this tasteless sh*t over and over

But like with sequencers, computers, synthesizers, drum machines... AI will oc be used to produce dumb stuff for the masses, but in the meantime, music geniuses will also forever create original stuff, using this new tool and asserving it to their needs. And we'll love it !

 

Edited Saturday at 05:29 PM by Cavadour

[Lextyr97 19,712]

Someone get AI to figure out how to put Tr*mp out of power 

[vanna shintuyu 10,498]

The "AI" that we're being fed now isn't AI. Some marketing chum jumped the gun on calling it that and it spread because we've been warned about AI and the digital revolution for decades at this point. Skynet (Terminator), The Matrix, etc

The "AI" we're getting now is just regurgitating data it's being given. It's not demonstrating individual intelligence, it's still running on algorithms based on human development. It's not creating anything on its own. Yet.

It's automation dressed as independence.

The Intelligence in this Artificial Intelligence is still ours, we're just creating more tools to cut corners while applauding ourselves for finally breaking a barrier that we created that still hasn't been broken.

Artificial Intelligence still has yet to be achieved.

Edited Saturday at 08:17 PM by vanna shintuyu

[hELXIG 42,810]

11 hours ago, Kayi said:

I think that artists like Gaga or Taylor will put pressure on record label to be sure that the industry doesn't shamble and disappear. If the industry ppl disappear then it would be hard for them to find competent ppl to produce their music or to make emerge new ideas and music genres... Cause the industry need a strong facade.

You're right it's sad that we will have to put new standards for emerging artists but music evolve with technological revolutions. Aficionados will still do music for the sake of music... But ppl who want to emerge will have to face this to transcend artistically and challenge the machine.

I define art as Human's expressions so AI "art" isn't art but just a bunch of calculations that aren't human in any way. A human has a mind, memories, he feels and think what he does. The machine can't.

I hope it won't be too bad...

Oh there will definitely be push back and fighting happening very soon! I'm only concerned because as we know, all the power is in the hands of the labels and those whole hold money, not the artists. The only leverage artists have is that they're the ones earning money for the labels, and without them there are no hits, no streams, no money. But AI generated music takes away that leverage because the labels can create music without them. Those in power only care about what makes the most money

I agree that AI 'art' isn't real art. Art is made with a purpose, thought behind it, it's an expression, it's made with intention to generate feelings and thoughts in others. Art is a sharing of thoughts and feelings in an expressive way that goes beyond simple words. AI art can be enjoyable, it's just hollow because it's artificially generated to reflect what humans do. My other concern though is that while people like you and I care about and appreciate real art, the general public does not. They're just consuming machines. They'll consume anything they enjoy without a second thought and have zero care or respect for where it came from. They often don't even think about where it came from, just whether they enjoy it or not. And the consumer unfortunately holds all the power on the other end. Supply and demand

Idk what the answer is but I know we'll be seeing pushback and fighting very soon

 

10 hours ago, Cavadour said:

@hELXIG I totally get what your saying about AI. They're reasons to be scared. I'm scared too. But I just witnessed the exact same reactions, arguments, rejection and fear when early personal computers hit the market more than 40 years ago.

Fear about losing control on creation, death of the analog way of doing things, sending thousands of people in unemployment, the advent of mankind's baser instincts. I won't say all this didn't happen to a certain extent, but I also try to put it in perspective. Based on what we can see today by having computers presence in almost every aspect of our lives. For better AND worse.

Change is scary. To step inside new logics and leave the old ways behind is scary. But since evolution is unavoidable, let's jump on the train and learn to master the new tool the best way possible.

Long story short, we have to adapt and learn. Fear, rejection or brickwalling don't help. Keeping an open mind and learning is the only way to not get dumped on the roadside. AI, as so many new tools before is here to stay for better AND worse. So let's learn as fast as possible, stay vigilant and choose wisely.

 

 

I know people had those fears back then but I just feel like they were overexaggerating back then, but that we have real reason to be concerned this time around. To me it feels different. That being said, I wasn't there to witness it in person like you, so you hold a portion of knowledge that I can't have. I'd like to believe you that it will all be okay, but this time around feels much more serious of a threat

I know that it's here to stay and we can't put it back or turn back the clock. I keep telling people myself that we've opened Pandora's box. It's out of the box and we can't put it back. I've been preaching to people that unfortunately, whether we like it or not, it will be a case of adapt or fall behind (much like the introduction of computers and the internet). And I don't want to fall behind

I haven't rejected it at all. I've been testing chatGPT and learning to use it as a helpful tool, and having all kinds of conversations with it. I've been playing around with image generators and seeing what they're capable of. I became obsessed with using RVC AI to train and use voice models. You want me to make Gaga say or sing something?   I can do it in 5 minutes flat. I've even taken requests because I trained 3 models until I had one that was really good. I have AI software on my computer to separate out stems from songs which works incredibly well and blows my mind every time

These things are all fun and games and helpful. It's all the other stuff that's coming along with it that has the potential to actually ruin society. Scamming is way up, intelligence is way down. Studies are already showing that heavy users of AI are losing their ability to think critically. We're screwed.. all we can hope is that some small pockets of society continue to put value in knowledge, education, intelligence, critical thinking, and creative endeavours. To preserve what's really important. If we all give in at once then that's it. You can't convince me to believe in anything other than doom