Why does VIY sound like Bad Romance?

[elijahfan 25,882]

4 hours ago, REALITY said:

I think it's just a fun callback. She does a similar melodic run in Garden of Eden too.

This one I clocked on first listen. The one in VIY is a bit of a stretch imo.

Edited Wednesday at 06:42 AM by elijahfan

[Ladle Ghoulash 20,529]

2 hours ago, MountainMonster said:

Onomatopoetic 

 

Gaga’s lyrics, apparently: 

[AVeryGagaHolyDick 24,243]

39 minutes ago, elijahfan said:

This one I clocked on first listen. The one in VIY is a bit of a stretch imo.

I think it’s the opposite tbh

[GagaGame 3,501]

just the I-I-I-I-I part... production-wise absolutely not

[Monstermilo 4,282]

i feel like bad romance was the willingness to accept a toxic lover 

and vanish into you is her finding the ONE whos shes supposed to be with, the similarity in chord progression is intentional

[Ziggy 11,455]

9 hours ago, 27monster27 said:

Am I the only person who noted some similarities to Brooklyn Nights, especially in the chorus? I don't think this is unreasonable after Lady Gaga (more or less) confirmed that Garden of Eden was inspired by Private Audition.

I will admit though that I can see some of the Bad Romance inspiration in the vibe. The longer drawn out low notes in the darker verses, then the lighter but still strongly belted chorus.

For sure and also in HBDYWM. Both sound reminiscent of Brooklyn nights-Ga to me which made me smile bc this album felt like the first time she really stood by who SHE was as an artist and let things that would otherwise be unreleased come to light. She’s a great pop songwriter and burying that in the GAGA mythos was when she would be at her weakest. Mayhem really feels Iike a back to square one album like TF where she uses Gaga as a vehicle not a mask

[MountainMonster 362]

7 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Gaga’s lyrics, apparently: 

lol. But it truly is a unique Gaga-ism. She creates her own onomatopoeia. Roma-Roma-ah is mimicking the sound of the word romance, juda-juda-ah is mimicking the sound of the word Judas. I don’t know a different literary device to call that by. Gagamatopoeia. 

[Defmix100 6,239]

And Don't Call Tonight has that little bit of Nothing On But The Radio melody

[Defmix100 6,239]

12 hours ago, Ziggy said:

it's her best musical callback yet. I find the connections between PF - BR - Judas to get increasingly derivative and so while Judas is a great song when you put it next to BR you're like ah ok she kinda re-did it. but VIY is a really beautiful callback in a song that otherwise sounds nothing like BR. It's really beautiful to hear that little melody line reinterpreted.

What's the connection between PF and BR? The muh muh part?
I know Just Dance has the PF drums in the bridge so I always imagined when they did that they were then inspired to turn that into a full beat and make PF

[Zombiecat 16,049]

because the "do you see me" part uses the same chord progression as BR chorus

[imnotyourbabe10 6,088]

Interesting point. I thought some of the song sounded like The Queen at some points. In particular, the “oh-oh’s” reminded me of the oh oh’s around the end of The Queen: 

Like a phoenix so you can remind them of the dream I bore

Woah oh, woah oh, woah oh
Woah oh, woah oh, woah oh

[MadArchitect 845]

the same way Anubis by SepticFlesh sounds like BR

[MadArchitect 845]

13 hours ago, Ziggy said:

it's her best musical callback yet. I find the connections between PF - BR - Judas to get increasingly derivative and so while Judas is a great song when you put it next to BR you're like ah ok she kinda re-did it. but VIY is a really beautiful callback in a song that otherwise sounds nothing like BR. It's really beautiful to hear that little melody line reinterpreted.

don't come here slandering Judas like that, Judas sounds different than BR the same way that VIY sounds different than BR, Judas has a bridge breakdown which neither BR or VIY has, also BR has elongated verses and a short prechorus, while in judas the verse and prechorus are the same length and very distinctive melodically, so much that the it can not be categorized as a prechorus but just be a bridge to the chorus, more reminiscent of PF than BR actually and also Abracadabra is structured like that.

Edited Wednesday at 03:06 PM by MadArchitect

[Ziggy 11,455]

17 minutes ago, Defmix100 said:

What's the connection between PF and BR? The muh muh part?
I know Just Dance has the PF drums in the bridge so I always imagined when they did that they were then inspired to turn that into a full beat and make PF

Oh well the basic structure of them are the same so critics have long made connections between them. I think over time it's become something of a certain style of hers but the darker, lower sing-speak verses, swelling pre-chorus, HUGE full throat chorus, chanting robo syllabic post chorus was somewhat unique to those songs for a while. Plus, the synths used have some similarities. It's not as intentional a reference as Judas is but I think it was more or less becoming a stylistic moniker of hers especially between two enormous singles of hers so critics identified the similar elements.

But bearing all that in mind, you can see the evolution from PF to BR to Judas, and how one's success kind of made way for another's inception lol

[Ziggy 11,455]

5 minutes ago, MadArchitect said:

don't come here slandering Judas like that, Judas sounds different than BR the same way that VIY sounds different than BR, Judas has a bridge breakdown which neither BR or VIY has, also BR has elongated verses and a short prechorus, while in judas the verse and prechorus are the same length so much that the prechorus can just be a bridge to the chorus, more reminiscent of PF than BR actually.

Ok let's be so honest that VIY absolutely does not sound as similar to BR as Judas does lmao VIY is a completely different type of song that has a melodic call-out. Judas, by her own admission I will add, peddles in the similar sorts of dark synths that BR does. Obviously they're different songs, but one (Judas) was quite literally made in iteration of the former's design (again, she said as much when she said, "sometimes I do count my stripes and make sure they’re all there, and 'Judas' was one of those records. I wanted it to be an evolution from where I’ve been before but in terms of the formula I wanted there to be something about 'Judas' that reminded people of what I’ve done") while another (VIY) was made independent of what it's referencing.