Gaga Not Speaking Up

[OliviaRodrigoStan 5,422]

4 hours ago, PartySick said:

The only celebrity fatigue out there is among disconnected individuals who see rich people complaining about how hard life is. It gets an eye roll. Donald Trump won the election 'cause Joe Biden's economy didn't live up to expectations. That's it.

Those disconected individuals represent the majority, and are the ones who put Donald Trump in charge. In order to bring change, you HAVE to appeal to those people too, you won't ever be in a position of power to actually modify society for the better, if you only speak to those who are "right". 

You have to reach those who are wrong too, as you need them to build change. Trump understood this, and knows how to appeal to them, hence why he is now your president. 

If your stance is "I will ignore the majority of people, because they're wrong", nothing will ever change. 

4 hours ago, PartySick said:

See, I don't think like that. Gaga speaking out isn't about how much she can do, it's about showing that she's still willing to do what she can. It's a long time ally showing that she's still there.

I would agree if such gesture would be inconsequential. But it wouldn't be. It would have a consequence, a negative one that is. 

When GaGa was offered the chance to sing "Till It Happens To You", she considered rejecting the offer, because she thought about the possibility of her figure driving people away from the cause. She did not want her reputation to negatively affect the project. That's called being a responsible communicator. 

That fear she had back then, is now a reality: people hate celebrities, and people don't like being preached to. A gesture that won't benefit the cause it's supposed to bring attention to, is masturbatory. 

I don't need for Lady GaGa to tell me that she is against an ongoing genocide, because: 

A) Her public stance on the subject would be completely irrelevant, and none of the parties involved would change their course of action based on her opinion. 

B) I assume she is against it, like most people in the world are. 

It is political leaders and global organizations the ones to be demanded answers on this matter, not entertainers. 

3 hours ago, PartySick said:

Ok but on the other hand, artists like Billie have been vocal about the things they care about (like the genocide in Gaza)

And what did that exactly accomplished? was there a ceasefire over Billie's posts? I'm not even trying to be cynical, but I have to emphasize how inconsequential these social media posts actually are. 

Economic penalties towards Israel's government will be the ONLY thing to stop the ongoing attack against palestinians, and it certainly won't be Lady GaGa or Billie Eilish the ones to make that happen, if it ever happens. 

It is a beautiful thing to feel empathy towards others' suffering, but obsessing over whether or not a certain musician spoke about every single ongoing social issue on Instagram, is not empathy, it is celebrity worship. Lady GaGa is not a global leader, and there is a difference between: "I'm glad this public figure shares my values and spoke on this subject that is important to me", and "I will entertain the narrative that this celebrity is evil, because they have not spoken about the issues that I'm concerned with, and I feel entitled to their public discourse". 

Those are two different sentiments, and the latter is deranged in my opinion. No celebrity represents us, we represent ourselves, and it is our job to stand for that which we believe in. 

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10 minutes ago, OliviaRodrigoStan said:

Those disconected individuals represent the majority, and are the ones who put Donald Trump in charge

This is already a false statement 'cause like 20% of Americans voted for the dude  matter of fact, the vast majority of Americans kinda hate the guy rn so there's never been a better time to stand up against the alt-right.

12 minutes ago, OliviaRodrigoStan said:

When GaGa was offered the chance to sing "Till It Happens To You", she considered rejecting the offer, because she thought about the possibility of her figure driving people away from the cause. She did not want her reputation to negatively affect the project. That's called being a responsible communicator. 

And yet actual victims of SA, like myself, were deeply touched by her involvement with TIHTY, The Hunting Ground, and Biden's political agenda at the time.

And who matters more in that scenario? The people who would suddenly stop caring about sexual assault just because the Rah-Rah pop star talked about it? Or people who have been through it and live with the trauma every day?

She made the right choice then by getting involved and vocal about the issue. Because being vocal and involved is ALWAYS THE RIGHT CHOICE.

14 minutes ago, OliviaRodrigoStan said:

And what did that exactly accomplished? was there a ceasefire over Billie's posts? I'm not even trying to be cynical, but I have to emphasize how inconsequential these social media posts actually are. 

If everyone thought like this nobody would ever say anything  

Debate after debate is raged online, even on this site, about a variety of deep and serious topics but nothing really changes because of those debates. Does that mean we should all just stop talking about important things? Should we ban topics like Gaza, SA, gay rights, etc on GGD 'cause none of our conversations change laws or determine international actions?

Speaking matters, even if it doesn't cause a direct material benefit.

15 minutes ago, OliviaRodrigoStan said:

It is a beautiful thing to feel empathy towards others' suffering, but obsessing over whether or not a certain musician spoke about every single ongoing social issue on Instagram, is not empathy, it is celebrity worship. Lady GaGa is not a global leader, and there is a difference between: "I'm glad this public figure shares my values and spoke on this subject that is important to me", and "I will entertain the narrative that this celebrity is evil, because they have not spoken about the issues that I'm concerned with, and I feel entitled to their public discourse". 

Those are two different sentiments, and the latter is deranged in my opinion. No celebrity represents us, we represent ourselves, and it is our job to stand for that which we believe in. 

Nobody's obsessing and I never said she represents us. I said she can stand with us, not for us.

But she absolutely has the platform and resources to bolster the conversations that need to happen right now which could generate real change just like her platform has done before (DADT, addiction, mental health, and sexual assault).

And even if one trans kid or homeless gay person feels soothed for a little bit after Gaga says something kind to/about them, it will have been worth it.

She has made so much change in the world, it seems ridiculous to say she can't do that now just 'cause some incels that voted Republican might not care about gay rights if Lady Gaga says "gay rights".

Everybody here knows they would scream "YASSS" at the top of their lungs if tomorrow she came out and said "f*ck Trump, the BTWF will now have a crisis hotline since he's threatening 988 and we've connected a strong network of caring yet discreet LGBTQ charities and organizations to help the most vulnerable of us survive this administration and their cruelty #LoveTrumpsHate".

Instead, she grabs MacDonald's in a Tesla and speaks to fans when she's got tickets or albums to sell.

Which, again, I am completely fine with  it doesn't bother me in the least that she's changed. It absolutely did a few months ago but I've had my meltdown over it and made my peace, it's whatever.

Again, we don't NEED Lady Gaga to fight with us. It would just be nice.

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6 hours ago, PartySick said:

Drawing criticism isn't an "excuse" to be quiet either  it has nothing to do with how people would receive her activism and everything to do with her acting.

Idk man, most of the same people saying "she doesn't have to prove herself" and giving a million reasons why she is largely are also out here saying stuff like "silence is violence".

I don't really care either way anymore, the benefits of deciding that being a stan is toxic.

Gaga is only the artist that gets this criticism, while any other artist don’t give a sh-t about us unless they benefit out of it.

I wish this negative and toxic energy would go to other artists who actually deserves it, because it is toxic to always find a reason to criticize her, while she has nothing but love and admiration for us.

It’s honestly not fair and pretty ungrateful.