ACM CEO speaks out after Beyoncé receives no nominations

[GAYHEMikey 7,819]

People demanding nominations/wins seem to have a complex where they need to project others success onto them. I can’t explain it otherwise. You’re not a single penny more or less rich if your fav wins.

[Ziggy 11,536]

11 minutes ago, River said:

Ya’ll don’t get the point he basically says that she was too entitled to start relationships with other country singers, to be part of the country music community and to campaign the album.

The social impact of the album is absolutely zero just like Renaissance did zero impact.

It’s easy to release albums to “reclaim” their black roots, but not so easy for her to speak out about it and make real impact to her people.

I guess selling whiskey and levi’s is more important 🥴

What do you mean renaissance had zero impact? Lmao it was everywhere and had one of the biggest tours of all time lol frankly, the tone of this is a little suss since Beyonce has made work like lemonade that does speak out more directly. She’s done that. She wanted these albums to be about embracing the genres on their terms and in doing so celebrate them and their history in Black culture. Not every song has to be about some Black plight to be meaningful like that and insinuating it does is honestly an expectation really never expected of white artists who can be afforded a wider berth of artistic expression and be considered meaningful or impactful. That whole third paragraph is incredibly condescending and micro aggressive even if I agree with the 4th. Calling her entitled, etc. Whatever issues you have with her seem very pointed and tbh a little unwarranted given how little she herself has said about any of this. This article was a puff piece from the head of an org to promote his event and give a nothingberger statement that speaks to a conversation but doesn’t add to it. You imprinted a lot more onto it than was needed.

[Pandauralife 848]

8 minutes ago, AsleepOnTheCeiling said:

Okay if it doesn't have to be Beyonce, then why even reference Beyonce? You very much made it seem like anyone that disagreed just "didn't get it" and that people defending her are more enlightened than ones saying she's not entitled to an award. Everyone here wants to argue it should be nominated until they have to defend the album. Then it's "It doesn't have to be Beyonce" and "I don't even think Beyonce deserved the Grammys for Cowboy Carter".  So which is it? Does Cowboy Carter deserve to be nominated on its merits or not? Nobody is saying that racism doesn't exist in country music, because it VERY much does. And nobody, not even the ACM CEO, is rebuking that Cowboy Carter is country. I appreciate Beyonce's intent in reclaiming the genre but I can also still think the album missed the mark and thus she doesn't deserve award recognition. But if we're gonna make the (valid) argument that the institution and the industry are racist, maybe we should make the argument with a stronger body of work backing us. 

 

Lastly, we're not having this discussion about Chapell or Post Malone because the thread is about Beyonce. I was going to tell you to go ahead and make threads on them and I'd weigh in but I honestly haven't even heard their music so that should tell you something. 

The metacritic score says otherwise? Just because it doesn't resonate with you doesn't mean it's not critically acclaimed. Also, AOTY says hi. Again, no one is saying that she should be nominated and win just for the sake that she's Beyoncé. It's really tired when y'all say stuff like that. If we're going based off of the reviews alone, there's obviously a significant amount of quality in the work.

And again, I was using the example of other Black country artists to prove the point of why she released it. We most likely wouldn't even be having this conversation about Black artists in country music if she didn't drop Cowboy Carter. Is it the biggest issue in America? No, but again, it's meant to show the far-reaching affects of racism.

Also, the nominations are for bodies of work and not necessarily the artist specifically (I get that there are probably best artist categories for these awards). So tell me what the problem is if Beyoncé releases a country album without necessarily being a country artist. She even enlists country music legends on this album to pick around the message. So if it's good enough for Dolly Parton, Willie Nelson, Linda Martell, and Miley Cyrus, why can't it be good enough for the rest of country music? And not only that, but thus isn't even her first dive into country music. It's only her first major one, so who's to say? Stranger things have happened.

[Pandauralife 848]

Also, to further prove my point that you guys are missing the point of this 3-act project, it's about BLACK people's contributions to certain genres. With Renaissance, it was how BLACK creativity contributed to house/dance music. Same with Cowboy Carter. That doesn't mean she needs to be the grand marshal at every pride parade. Just because she's focusing on BLACK contributions to country music doesn't mean she needs to lead the GOP. She obviously featured and spotlighted CURRENT Black artists on this album. So she in fact, DID incorporate her contemporaries. Just seems like they're not good enough for you and the rest of the industry. It's like the one thing she has been vocal about since she kinda stopped doing media was raising up Black voices.

[Rahrahbitchson 18,908]

Guys stop arguing! What matters is that Bey got her AOTY grammy and she also won for Best Country Album, she made it ok? She made the impact, she made people talk about the issue with CC, is all that matters, all these country albums they were no where to be found and thats a fact... Start enjoying the era, enjoy the music, enjoy the moment, why? Because:

[River 114,097]

30 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

What do you mean renaissance had zero impact? Lmao it was everywhere and had one of the biggest tours of all time lol frankly, the tone of this is a little suss since Beyonce has made work like lemonade that does speak out more directly. She’s done that. She wanted these albums to be about embracing the genres on their terms and in doing so celebrate them and their history in Black culture. Not every song has to be about some Black plight to be meaningful like that and insinuating it does is honestly an expectation really never expected of white artists who can be afforded a wider berth of artistic expression and be considered meaningful or impactful. That whole third paragraph is incredibly condescending and micro aggressive even if I agree with the 4th. Calling her entitled, etc. Whatever issues you have with her seem very pointed and tbh a little unwarranted given how little she herself has said about any of this. This article was a puff piece from the head of an org to promote his event and give a nothingberger statement that speaks to a conversation but doesn’t add to it. You imprinted a lot more onto it than was needed.

I see renaissance as an important social album, finally an album who brings in the front the importance of the black LGBTQ+ in music and culture, but she didn't do enough to make this social impact with the album, yeah the tour was the biggest of all time, but how does it help the people who the album was supposed to lift up and embrace?

She took on herself in both album a big social responsibilities, but her delivery of these social impacts was very poor to me.

This could have been a BTW level of social impact, but it wasn't.

Same with CC, I expect her to speak up, to be in the front, to raise the torch and go to Country Music events and to look at these racist white assholes and tell them, THIS IS OUR MUSIC, WE ARE HERE.

 

Despite what people think, I don't hate Beyonce, DC were an important part of my life, I just couldn't connect to her music since Lemonade and I she has so much power in her hands and I feel like she doesn't do enough with it

[Pandauralife 848]

48 minutes ago, River said:

I see renaissance as an important social album, finally an album who brings in the front the importance of the black LGBTQ+ in music and culture, but she didn't do enough to make this social impact with the album, yeah the tour was the biggest of all time, but how does it help the people who the album was supposed to lift up and embrace?

She took on herself in both album a big social responsibilities, but her delivery of these social impacts was very poor to me.

This could have been a BTW level of social impact, but it wasn't.

Same with CC, I expect her to speak up, to be in the front, to raise the torch and go to Country Music events and to look at these racist white assholes and tell them, THIS IS OUR MUSIC, WE ARE HERE.

 

Despite what people think, I don't hate Beyonce, DC were an important part of my life, I just couldn't connect to her music since Lemonade and I she has so much power in her hands and I feel like she doesn't do enough with it

She has supported Black and brown LGBTQIA+ people through BEYGOOD during the Renaissance era. I think we have to take into account that sometimes raising awareness is the goal. Awareness is its own form of activism. There are clearly people on here who don't see how deep and far-reaching racism is. Music obviously touches a lot of us, otherwise we wouldn't be on this cursed website with you . Using music to raise awareness on social issues is nothing new. It's just one big way in which artists can speak to their experiences. She's doing more a history lesson/social commentary thing. I honestly don't think she's pressed nor surprised about not getting nominated for these awards. Obviously there are going to be stans pressed about it. The annoying and kinda stupid thing if we're not careful about it is reducing their frustrations simply to the fact that they're Beyoncé stans.

[PartySick 156,264]

16 hours ago, Pandauralife said:

I think some of the people here are still missing the point of Cowboy Carter a year later. There are two main goals of the album. One is to shed light on country's roots from African-Americans. This history has been nearly completely rewritten to exclude the Black narratives from which it was born, which very clearly and scarily parallels the current social and political climate in America. The second goal was to reclaim Black spaces in country music. Obviously the backlash Beyoncé received from performing at the 2016 CMA's fueled her need to start this project and shed light on this issue. 

So saying that she bought the Grammy or that it's petty for people to complain about her not getting nominated in country categories for a COUNTRY album is just kinda not thought out. There's a bigger picture here that people aren't seeing. It's more than just being a part of a fandom. It's important social/political commentary she's making. 

The girls that get it, get it I guess...

A spark of common sense and thought on this site? Be still my heart  

Cowboy Carter's a great album. Any legitimate award show would be fawning over it.

Just goes to show you how little these awards actually mean. He flat out admitted they're just gonna award the artists they're friends with  

[PartySick 156,264]

1 hour ago, Pandauralife said:

Also, to further prove my point that you guys are missing the point of this 3-act project, it's about BLACK people's contributions to certain genres. With Renaissance, it was how BLACK creativity contributed to house/dance music. Same with Cowboy Carter. That doesn't mean she needs to be the grand marshal at every pride parade. Just because she's focusing on BLACK contributions to country music doesn't mean she needs to lead the GOP. She obviously featured and spotlighted CURRENT Black artists on this album. So she in fact, DID incorporate her contemporaries. Just seems like they're not good enough for you and the rest of the industry. It's like the one thing she has been vocal about since she kinda stopped doing media was raising up Black voices.

She honestly makes me think of MJ in a way. I hope she comes back next time with a fire like he did after being snubbed.

When the radio stations refused to play Off the Wall, award shows refused to give him nominations or recognition, TV channels wouldn't show his videos, he said "I'm gonna MAKE you play my music".

Then he dropped Thriller. An album so popular they didn't have a choice but to recognize him. They didn't have a choice but to put a black man's videos on MTV, play a black man's music on rock radio, and give a black man the awards he earned.

Highkey why I like Bey despite not really digging her music. She's giving unapologetic woman reminding the world that nearly all modern music has roots in black American culture.

[River 114,097]

38 minutes ago, Pandauralife said:

She has supported Black and brown LGBTQIA+ people through BEYGOOD during the Renaissance era. I think we have to take into account that sometimes raising awareness is the goal. Awareness is its own form of activism. There are clearly people on here who don't see how deep and far-reaching racism is. Music obviously touches a lot of us, otherwise we wouldn't be on this cursed website with you . Using music to raise awareness on social issues is nothing new. It's just one big way in which artists can speak to their experiences. She's doing more a history lesson/social commentary thing. I honestly don't think she's pressed nor surprised about not getting nominated for these awards. Obviously there are going to be stans pressed about it. The annoying and kinda stupid thing if we're not careful about it is reducing their frustrations simply to the fact that they're Beyoncé stans.

I get that, I just wanted her to piss off the racists white Americans, in their faces, because her music is already not speaking to them, it's not like they care about her, they only care when she's taking a bite that they think she shouldn't chew because she's a black woman, but they care too much about statements, about posts on social media, articles and what she has to say, music is a tool to protest but not the protest itself.

What I'm saying basically, the 3 acts are acts of activism, but activist Bey was nowhere to be found.

Even with Gaga, activism is kinda gone, she give us crumbs here and there, so I kinda just don't care much about what American celebrities has to say anymore.

 

If we're back for CC for a second, Daughter is such a high profile song, it's one of the best songs of all time.

[Ziggy 11,536]

5 hours ago, River said:

I see renaissance as an important social album, finally an album who brings in the front the importance of the black LGBTQ+ in music and culture, but she didn't do enough to make this social impact with the album, yeah the tour was the biggest of all time, but how does it help the people who the album was supposed to lift up and embrace?

She took on herself in both album a big social responsibilities, but her delivery of these social impacts was very poor to me.

This could have been a BTW level of social impact, but it wasn't.

Same with CC, I expect her to speak up, to be in the front, to raise the torch and go to Country Music events and to look at these racist white assholes and tell them, THIS IS OUR MUSIC, WE ARE HERE.

 

Despite what people think, I don't hate Beyonce, DC were an important part of my life, I just couldn't connect to her music since Lemonade and I she has so much power in her hands and I feel like she doesn't do enough with it

I mean Renaissance featured queer DJs from ALL over at almost every date which absolutely gave them platforms they didn’t have before to reach new audiences. For a lot of them it’s the biggest platforms they’ve ever been on in a mainstream sense. She got mainstream people to talk about Kevin Aviance and Moi Renee and ballroom. I think we forget bc we’re queer but that REALLY is not mainstream knowledge and we have to remember our exposure to Beyonce is through a queer lens but she’s a mainstream mass culture artist first and foremost. To get the kind of visibility around those things from the music she made is definitely impact! I think we don’t necessarily feel it quite as much bc again she’s not educating queer people per se. Hell, she wasn’t even educating. She did her research to appreciate properly but it’s in texts were more familiar with already but renaissance made some waves for sure!

I see where your critique is coming from but I think it is slightly off from her intentions. I don’t think she was ever aiming to bear a torch like that. I think across both parts of the project thus far she’s been aiming to celebrate the musicality of Black music that she’s felt has gone overlooked or been pigeonholed to genres white people allow them to have (rnb, hip hop, etc.). So she’s not really on a crusade here, but more a broader aim at inserting herself within the wider lineage of Black music history and understanding her identity as a musician in it. I think *we have imposed the mission on her but she herself never outright said that’s what she was doing. I think it’s misreading her intent to say she’s trying to prove something (something I hear people say about the awards conversation) or trying to do some larger social mission. I think we all just kind of assumed that was the purpose of her doing this bc she made lemonade SO much about that mission and impact focus but the material, to me, suggests a different intent.

i agree she could deeef do more with her power

[Togekiss 2,498]

The ACM voters said you’ve gotta earn your (worn out) leather in this part of town

[Squidward T 2,195]

Unfortunately, you can’t buy an ACM award 

[River 114,097]

1 hour ago, Ziggy said:

I mean Renaissance featured queer DJs from ALL over at almost every date which absolutely gave them platforms they didn’t have before to reach new audiences. For a lot of them it’s the biggest platforms they’ve ever been on in a mainstream sense. She got mainstream people to talk about Kevin Aviance and Moi Renee and ballroom. I think we forget bc we’re queer but that REALLY is not mainstream knowledge and we have to remember our exposure to Beyonce is through a queer lens but she’s a mainstream mass culture artist first and foremost. To get the kind of visibility around those things from the music she made is definitely impact! I think we don’t necessarily feel it quite as much bc again she’s not educating queer people per se. Hell, she wasn’t even educating. She did her research to appreciate properly but it’s in texts were more familiar with already but renaissance made some waves for sure!

I see where your critique is coming from but I think it is slightly off from her intentions. I don’t think she was ever aiming to bear a torch like that. I think across both parts of the project thus far she’s been aiming to celebrate the musicality of Black music that she’s felt has gone overlooked or been pigeonholed to genres white people allow them to have (rnb, hip hop, etc.). So she’s not really on a crusade here, but more a broader aim at inserting herself within the wider lineage of Black music history and understanding her identity as a musician in it. I think *we have imposed the mission on her but she herself never outright said that’s what she was doing. I think it’s misreading her intent to say she’s trying to prove something (something I hear people say about the awards conversation) or trying to do some larger social mission. I think we all just kind of assumed that was the purpose of her doing this bc she made lemonade SO much about that mission and impact focus but the material, to me, suggests a different intent.

i agree she could deeef do more with her power

I agree with you so much.

I think I kinda lost Bey after self title (and I really don't like Jay but that's a different story) Lemonade caught me off guard and things just went downhill after that, I just couldn't click anymore, there are songs I like here and there though, I should give Renaissance a new listen, I was kinda in a weird place musically when it was release.

[Ziggy 11,536]

3 hours ago, River said:

I agree with you so much.

I think I kinda lost Bey after self title (and I really don't like Jay but that's a different story) Lemonade caught me off guard and things just went downhill after that, I just couldn't click anymore, there are songs I like here and there though, I should give Renaissance a new listen, I was kinda in a weird place musically when it was release.

I think Renaissance is a really fun album if you let yourself have fun with it! It’s definitely a little like WOAH bc I think she *was so “this is my purpose and message” artist for lemonade and the gift (though I love both especially the gift). But it’s got nice flow, she’s got personality all over it. The production is high quality. It’s just a treat to dance to.

i think with some distance my favorite of hers is self titled bc it was SO left field and unexpected and so so good. I think lemonade is its project and it’s quality can’t be separated from its visuals (unlike her other work that is more typically music and music video, lemonade really is a VISUAL ALBUM in my opinion so the music album is kinda like a soundtrack, just my opinion). Renaissance is just a fun celebration of dance musicality with honestly some very cool choices for a pop star of her level to have made. So I highly encourage a relisten