Zombieboy is a tribute to Rick Genest

[OliviaRodrigoStan 4,856]

1 hour ago, Ziggy said:

I think a liiiiiittle different than Liam bc in this person’s theory she’s speaking more to the essence and character of zombie boy not Rick himself. 

I mean, that's a way to interpret it. The title of the thread debates whether or not the song is a tribute to him. If it is, I think some of the lyrics are... certainly a choice . But whatever, I never met the guy, maybe he'd be flattered, IDK, lol. 

[Debithius 5,779]

39 minutes ago, OliviaRodrigoStan said:

I mean, that's a way to interpret it. The title of the thread debates whether or not the song is a tribute to him. If it is, I think some of the lyrics are... certainly a choice . But whatever, I never met the guy, maybe he'd be flattered, IDK, lol. 

It seems to be true, I posted a link to the article.

[OliviaRodrigoStan 4,856]

2 hours ago, Borisapillar said:

Have you heard Speechless?

I get what you mean, but I don't really see "Speechless" as inappropriate, I think her comparing her dad to handsome celebrities, is not really her "sexualizing" her dad, but rather her being delulu as a daughter . My cousins say my uncle looks like Mel Gibson, dad blindness is a real thing 

[butthole 10,167]

1 minute ago, OliviaRodrigoStan said:

I get what you mean, but I don't really see "Speechless" as inappropriate, I think her comparing her dad to handsome celebrities, is not really her "sexualizing" her dad, but rather her being delulu as a daughter . My cousins say my uncle looks like Mel Gibson, dad blindness is a real thing 

She's taking multiple influences and delivering a more palatable product. She's absolutely not sexualizing her dad, and not even the "dad blindness" that you mentioned, she used her anger toward him and his alcoholism as influence to write a song about a lover because more people could relate to that. Just like she used her grief and love of Rick Genest to write this party song.

[OliviaRodrigoStan 4,856]

1 minute ago, butthole said:

She's taking multiple influences and delivering a more palatable product. She's absolutely not sexualizing her dad, and not even the "dad blindness" that you mentioned, she used her anger toward him and his alcoholism as influence to write a song about a lover because more people could relate to that. Just like she used her grief and love of Rick Genest to write this party song.

Is that the case though? I don't think she intended for the audience to think she was talking about a lover. Specially because the #1 thing you learn about the song, is that she wrote it for her dad, she was never secretive or cryptic about it. 

"Speechless" is universally known as "the song about her ill dad". Many songs that are written about beloved figures (parents, siblings, pets, a friend, sons/daughters, etc), could be interpreted as romantic if the lyrics don't include enough context. 

Perhaps she has explicitely said that she intentionally wrote the song to appear romantic. But at face value, it does not seem to be the case, to me. 

Either way, I still find Zombieboy lyrics to be too horny and weird, if written as a tribute to a friend who died in a tragic way . If you guys don't like it, I don't care, it's still my opinion .

If you think it's a lovely tribute, that's great, I think the song itself is rather fun, I'm not debating that 

[Borisapillar 8,600]

2 hours ago, OliviaRodrigoStan said:

I get what you mean, but I don't really see "Speechless" as inappropriate, I think her comparing her dad to handsome celebrities, is not really her "sexualizing" her dad, but rather her being delulu as a daughter . My cousins say my uncle looks like Mel Gibson, dad blindness is a real thing 

"and after all the boys and the girls that we've been through..."

 

 

That's weird as hell girl

[butthole 10,167]

1 hour ago, OliviaRodrigoStan said:

Is that the case though? I don't think she intended for the audience to think she was talking about a lover. Specially because the #1 thing you learn about the song, is that she wrote it for her dad, she was never secretive or cryptic about it. 

"Speechless" is universally known as "the song about her ill dad". Many songs that are written about beloved figures (parents, siblings, pets, a friend, sons/daughters, etc), could be interpreted as romantic if the lyrics don't include enough context. 

Perhaps she has explicitely said that she intentionally wrote the song to appear romantic. But at face value, it does not seem to be the case, to me. 

Either way, I still find Zombieboy lyrics to be too horny and weird, if written as a tribute to a friend who died in a tragic way . If you guys don't like it, I don't care, it's still my opinion .

If you think it's a lovely tribute, that's great, I think the song itself is rather fun, I'm not debating that 

Yeah, the entire song is peppered with lyrics alluding to a romantic relationship. But it's fine that you're sticking to your opinion. Opinions aren't facts and right now you're just wrong and viewing her art in bad faith.

[Debithius 5,779]

5 hours ago, butthole said:

Yeah, the entire song is peppered with lyrics alluding to a romantic relationship. But it's fine that you're sticking to your opinion. Opinions aren't facts and right now you're just wrong and viewing her art in bad faith.

But she did confirm in Rolling Stones that it is about Zombieboy.

[Oriane 20,292]

There's no way she didn't think about him when choosing the title. Which makes me very curious what the process is, because the lyrics don't look like they're about him. But then again Fashion of his love is about Alexander McQueen and there's nothing obvious about that in the lyrics apart from the name drop.

[Oriane 20,292]

8 hours ago, OliviaRodrigoStan said:

Is that the case though? I don't think she intended for the audience to think she was talking about a lover. Specially because the #1 thing you learn about the song, is that she wrote it for her dad, she was never secretive or cryptic about it. 

"Speechless" is universally known as "the song about her ill dad". Many songs that are written about beloved figures (parents, siblings, pets, a friend, sons/daughters, etc), could be interpreted as romantic if the lyrics don't include enough context. 

Perhaps she has explicitely said that she intentionally wrote the song to appear romantic. But at face value, it does not seem to be the case, to me. 

Either way, I still find Zombieboy lyrics to be too horny and weird, if written as a tribute to a friend who died in a tragic way . If you guys don't like it, I don't care, it's still my opinion .

If you think it's a lovely tribute, that's great, I think the song itself is rather fun, I'm not debating that 

Huh? Half of her discography are songs that sound like they're about love/sex and are actually about something deeper

And no, the average person wouldn't know that.

[Debithius 5,779]

1 hour ago, Oriane said:

There's no way she didn't think about him when choosing the title. Which makes me very curious what the process is, because the lyrics don't look like they're about him. But then again Fashion of his love is about Alexander McQueen and there's nothing obvious about that in the lyrics apart from the name drop.

She said he was a party animal so she probably wrote about him from the perspective of some of the girls he went to parties with while the bridge is Gagas perspective.