Joanne and Chromatica lashings

[Cavadour 2,393]

I became a monster watching AHS Hotel. So, even though I'm a musician, my interest for Gaga music grew after having met the Countess. Then came Joanne and I totally fell for it. I kept this album during one year in constant loop on my car stereo. ASIB followed for more of the same vibe. I was all the way in.

Now I can see how many of you here are putting Gaga first albums on a pedestal. I can relate to that, cause in my time I did the same with the musical heroes of my youth. I mean the ones I grew up with. Matter of fact, when I became really infatuated with Gaga, I dug out all her back catalog and I really had a crush on many songs. But not on any album as a whole. Just cherry picking.

All Gaga albums gather a kaleidoscope of genres. Joanne is no exception. But it was the only one (until Mayhem ) I fully embraced as a whole. Because my life was completely in phase with it then.

When Chromatica came, I had hard time loving it, besides cherry picking again. I found it bombastic and raving all over the place. But when TCB began, I finally went fully into it (probably also in reaction to my frustration of JWT Zurich being cancelled...) Watching frantically each and every gig on YT, from Düsseldorf to Miami. Love and admiration grew up in me for Chromatica live.

In resume, I'll never be bold enough or dare to say that I hate one album of Gaga, cause again they're so many colors in her kaleidoscopic work and it keeps me transfixed in awe around every corner.

So, no lashing. Sorry.

 

 

 

Edited March 12 by Cavadour

[Jill 30,258]

9 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

And it doesn’t matter because I enjoy them more than Mayhem  

Oh here come the Mayhem lashings

[Cavadour 2,393]

3 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

After showing what she could do with C2C and Joanne, to go back to GP-friendly electropop

Yeah, that was a common reaction of the casual Gaga-loving ppl around me on Chroma release.

[steven 5,963]

1 hour ago, Sneaky Oliver said:

I love Chromatica but I have to say it ultimately lacks the classic element, idk how to explain, like I can see the music from Maybem still sounding exquisite 5 years from now, while Chromatica even though it’s still good, we think well…that’s definitely her early 20s record! 

At the same time it feels unfair to compare it to the Future Nostalgia sound / trend from that time, Chromatica is way more sonically diverse. I think they’re just trying to praise Mayhem so hard they can’t recognize Chromatica highs

True, I think the strength of Chromatica is its cohesiveness. It's a whole journey, and you get transported through her pain and mental state. This is the only album of hers I can go through without skipping any songs.

[27monster27 13,187]

12 hours ago, Roboboy said:

it's just the chaos of time, gaga slagged joanne off when chromatica came out and now mayhem came out she's slagging off chromatica. I don't really blame her cause it just seems like an impulse. for what it's worth I think chromatica is incredible and joanne is horrendous 

ARTPOP era ---> Born This Way was semi-ignored

Joanne era ---> ARTPOP highly ignored

Chromatica era ---> Joanne (and ARTPOP) almost entirely ignored (except for the John Wayne riff during Lovegame, but that is only small)

For MAYHEM it remains to be seen, but yeah, this is a decade long pattern now. Ignoring ARTPOP this time might be too high risk though given the extreme fan demand behind the album.

 

[MEM 3,114]

1 minute ago, 27monster27 said:

Joanne (and ARTPOP) almost entirely ignored (except for the John Wayne riff during Lovegame, but that is only small)

This is how I find out the John Wayne riff is from LoveGame?!?! 

[27monster27 13,187]

10 minutes ago, Cavadour said:

Yeah, that was a common reaction of the casual Gaga-loving ppl around me on Chroma release.

@StrawberryBlond (Sorry, I don't know how to quote from a different page)

It's also because the GP largely won the battle against Lady Gaga trying to be different and proving that pop is worthy of being treated the same way. Someone tried to do me on here over saying that the response to the Bowie tribute was rockism, but I was right and always have been.

[27monster27 13,187]

Just now, MEM said:

This is how I find out the John Wayne riff is from LoveGame?!?! 

I'm actually referring to @1:34:

 

 

[dynamite 59,727]

1 minute ago, MEM said:

This is how I find out the John Wayne riff is from LoveGame?!?! 

Wait what 

[TheFame Monster 8,949]

12 hours ago, culturalbaptism said:

Lmao. Not at all. It’ll be like TFM and BTW. No lashings to the previous one because the precisou one is actually good.

OT: Joanne and Chromatica do deserve all the past, present and future lashing they can get. Joanne goes literally nowhere. Chromatica tries to go but dies at the beach. A hard no. Imagina enjoying an album with A-NO in it. Truly piss.

during ARTPOP, BTW was heavily criticized on this site while TFM was loved and then when the LG5 concept rumors started, all of the sudden BTW was amazing and ARTPOP was terrible

[2School4Cool 6,449]

I will NEVER stand for Joanne slander! And while Chromatica ranks lower in my Gaga albums ranking, it’s still an outstanding album that I’ll always defend.

I will say though, MAYHEM is overall a stronger album than anything else she’s released in Years. It’s the nature of music critics, comparing an artist’s new work to their older work and looking to see how it holds up in comparison. I’ve loved everything Gaga’s done, but a lot of people have been waiting for this album since 2011, so I guess it’s hard to ignore that her previous albums have just been ~different~

[AsleepOnTheCeiling 6,417]

12 hours ago, vmpiregrn said:

Chromatica also isn’t aging well, imo, because it felt like she was trying to lean into tik tok pop trends — a lot of the songs felt so short as to seem underdeveloped and more concerned with getting a sound bite that could go viral 

Tik Tok trends were not nearly as popular during Chromatica's recording. One of the only songs to have gone viral from Tik Tok at that point was Old Town Road. Say So, Savage, and Daisy went viral at the same time as Stupid Love's release. The songs being shorter stem from the fact that they lack a lot of lyrical structure due to being inspired by 90s house and them not wanting to loop the song overly long and also leaning into streaming era trend of shortening songs for playlisting. 

[MEM 3,114]

26 minutes ago, 27monster27 said:

I'm actually referring to @1:34:

 

 

I'm confused...? 

I thought it was more so 2:50, the LoveGame yell is basically the John Wayne yell?

[Ladle Ghoulash 25,068]

12 hours ago, culturalbaptism said:

Lmao. Not at all. It’ll be like TFM and BTW. No lashings to the previous one because the precisou one is actually good.

OT: Joanne and Chromatica do deserve all the past, present and future lashing they can get. Joanne goes literally nowhere. Chromatica tries to go but dies at the beach. A hard no. Imagina enjoying an album with A-NO in it. Truly piss.

Skinnyvinny brigade etc etc 

[OMF 3,469]

I was listening to Joanne for 2 years in my car and played it at home, my partner loves this album the most. I loved many parts of it, but some songs  I regularly skipped or didn’t seem to fit in the album for us. Eg partner loved Joanne but disliked Perfect Illusion. 
 

With Chromatica it was a lonelier experience. Only I liked it enough to listen to it everyday, again while in my car mostly, but I did find parts of it to be a bit “messy” in its production and disliked the short length of all songs.  I did appreciate its “freshness” and experimentation. 
 

Both Joanne and Chromatica have special moments but for me Mayhem, Born This Way, ARTPOP and The Fame/The Fame Monster are superior.

Edited March 12 by OMF